shadetree supercar in stock form. few mods maybe a supercar. Kinda off topic but what about the gmc syclone? also killed because it was faster and threatened the corvette.
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09:24 PM
Francis T Member
Posts: 6620 From: spotsylvania va. usa Registered: Oct 2003
Originally posted by Lady-Fiero: Wouldn't a Fiero GT be considered a muscle car? I think that term fit it better in its day than super car does.
I think it depends what you consider a muscle car. In the old days it was a sporty car with a big engine. Striaght line yes, turn, no. As the years progressed, they still classified the pony cars as muscle cars, but they really were much more sporty. I would say a car with its focus on striaght line speed and just-good-enough handling would qualify.
On another note....
In my book a sports car has handling and power. Corvette. The Fiero, if modified, maybe.
Super car is usually something uncommon and in the top 2% in performance as compared to the entire world, not just North America. Porsche GT... yes. Enzo... yes. Something sub 3.5 second 0 to 60, 1.1 Gs and a "prequalified" buyer program... yes. Corvette... no. Z06... no. (but really darn good for the price) ZR1... maybe but the price is not high enough to be exclusive.
just my 2 cents. The Fiero is not, will not, and cannot be a super car. Any attempt at this would be a modification, or a one off which is not a super car.
Heck... mine is faster than most super cars and I still don't put it in that class.
Monteverdi Hai Country of Manufacture: Switzerland Model Type: 2 Door Coupe Body Designer: Fissore (Trevor Fiore) Mid-Engine: Chrysler 426 HEMI 7 Liter V8 (6974cc) Horsepower: 450 bhp Torque: 490 lb at 4000 rpm Transmission: ZF 5-Speed Suspension: Front- Independent, wishbones, coil springs, anti-roll bar, adjustable telescopic dampers Rear- de Dion axle, Watts transverse linkage bar, twin trailing arms, coil springs, anti-roll bar, adjustable telescopic dampers Brakes: Front- ATE Vented discs Rear- ATE Vented discs mounted inboard Top Speed: 180 mph (0-60 mph = 4.9 secs)
Lancia Hyena
Heffner twin turbo Ford GT (800HP)
I'll have one of each, please.
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What if the Fiero was pushing 800 WHP w/ an LS1, and can handle like a vette? Would it be a super car then? My def. of a supercar is something that is extremely fast, and handles extremely well. Something that'll kill many many things in both turns and drag, and has enough aerodynamics to keep it planted. Price? So it has to be expensive to be super? I disagree on that part. Does Superman have a price? No.. well in a way yea. I don't think price should have anything to do w/ it being a super car, sure all super cars that are stock are $$$$$$$, Doesn't mean because they're expensive, any other super car is too. But to answer the question, no way a stock fiero would be considered near a supercar. In these days, it's a low end sports car but what's the fun in a car if you're not gonna make it better? That's my take on this subject.
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09:57 PM
Apr 26th, 2008
FieroGTguy Member
Posts: 3087 From: Indianapolis , IN Registered: Mar 2001
It's obviously in the eye of the beholder. Matching top performance is the factor, the Fiero will never go 250mph or match 20 years of innovation, but you can create the Fiero into a better driving experience than many brand new models (but none even close to the supercar status). If availability is the factor, then we can create that ourselves. We can build any Fiero to have a mod set-up unlike any other (if that's what you like).
This car has brought over 15k together here 25 years after its inception. That's pretty super! So, it is literally a "Super"car. Who cares what popular demand thinks about them.
Greg
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I really do hate to say it, but to associate the Fiero to the 308 doesn't raise the fiero to supercar status as much as drag the 308 down to POS status (in comparison to their more prestigious models, anyways). I've personally spoken to at least one man who referred to his 308 as a "turd". Doesn't mean that we don't both love the hell out of our cars, but that we know their limitations and are ok with that, which is why we own them to begin with. Fieros are definitely unique, they're affordable, easily modded, and they kick serious ass, but a supercar, they will never be.
Unfortunately the Fiero was never engineered from the ground up to be a high performance, cutting edge system. "System" being a keyword. You can take a sawzall to the roof and hood, spend 2000 dollars adapting brakes from another vehicle, slap on gobs of bondo and fiberglass, and drop in an engine that cost 5 times as much as the car is worth from your local GM dealer. But it's still built on the underpinnings of a humble commuter that was built out of compromise during an energy crisis. You can make a Fiero fast, you can make it handle, but it'll never work as sweetly as a unified system the way a genuine supercar of purpose built origins will.
And I dunno about you, but that's ok with me. I love the hell outta my car anyways.
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04:50 AM
proff Member
Posts: 7398 From: The bottom of the world Registered: Oct 2004
Cause we have the only 2 fieros on this part of Sydney Ausytalia i would like to think the Fieros are Super cars but to be truthful No they are not a super car. The Fieros we have to us are Super cars
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07:47 AM
RACE Member
Posts: 4842 From: Des Moines IA Registered: Dec 2002
If you have to ask if your car is a supercar, its not. If you asked a supercar owner if they thought your Fiero is a supercar they would laugh. That is a pretty good indication that it isn't one. They snub their noses at Corvettes too so don't feel too bad.
Supercars are produced. Not made. There are some Fieros that may equal the performance but it still doesn't quite fit the profile. I prefer the term, "Near-Exotic".
so if you conceder the Ferrari 308 a supercar then the fiero has to be called a super car by default. and of course the fiero doesnt compare to the most moderen cars its 20+ years old
Yes, except the Ferrari 308 is not a supercar...only a sports car.
Supercar status starts above the Porsche 911 Turbo lines...GM will finally step back into the supercar market with the new ZR1 (the old ZR1 was generally defined as such as well). Porsche has had several supercars, but that doesn't make the boxster one (same rationale on the Ferrari 308). Lotus has had supercars, but not the Elise/Exige.
Such cars as the standard Corvette give yesterday's supercar performance, but they're still not supercars...the Viper generally fits...
THERE IS NOT A SINGLE FIERO SUPERCAR...doesn't matter how much money you throw into it, it's just not in the same league. We're lucky if we can get the performance to that of a modern sports car.
Don't get me wrong - I love the Fiero, but I love it for what it is - and don't try to make it something it's not.
Lamborghini Countach, Ferrari Testarossa, Porsche 959, Vector, etc...those are the supercars during the time of the Fiero...
