im useless, i just wanted to post reply 40 to own PAGE 2 !!!!!! WOOT!!!!!

actually i am interested if this ever gets into production....

Since this topic has come back up (and I believe it's my first topic to break 2 pages )

I thought I'd add, if anyone on this forum can keep there eye's out for a complete 96-98 saturn.

important notes are;

Twin cam (obviously) (SC2, SL2, SW2)
5 spd
120ish or less miles
cheap (>$500 preferably)
and has to run well enough for me to drive it to cincinnati ohio.
less options are a plus

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AIM= Fish100770
96 Saturn SL2 Turbo (evil SL2)

My cardomain site: cardomain.com/memberpage/702872

DUDE, do it! It was meant to be.

no tranny either....

quote Originally posted by VenturaFiero: I would like to know how this works out, so keep it up and get working will you!!! Not sure how this would work in CA, with the smog laws, but it should be good

Yea, I think it will be fine. I see you are in Thousand oaks, right next to Moorpark. :tup:

cooguyfish, any updates?

quote Originally posted by fierogt455: cooguyfish, any updates?

I'm still looking for my super cheap 96-98 DOHC saturn to come up on ebay/autotrader.

We're also still working on our garage, so being that it's cold I don't have anywhere warm to work yet. I may take my blown 96 motor and put it back together enough to use it as a "dummy" to mount in, but I'd still have to get a tranny for mounting purposes. the biggest thing is I don't have a warm place to work right now.

Would there be any way to keep the exhaust quieter or make it sound less ricy....imho it sounds like a fart can honda

quote Originally posted by Codeman: Would there be any way to keep the exhaust quieter or make it sound less ricy....imho it sounds like a fart can honda

The one's in the video's or one's you've heard in real life? they're kinda quiet in real life when they are stock. But it depend's on what exactly you want, anything can be quieted down, it just may lose some power in the end.

My current plan is to re-use the stock fiero exhaust as much as possible (for now) but to cut some of it up after the cat and mate it up around there.

I thought I read that FastFieros was doing this install as well? Any updates?

As soon as I hear of someone's success with this I'm in. I'm trying to clear my credit card now to prepare for it!

Justin

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1985 Fiero 2M4
redwhiteandnew.com

i think fast fiero's is working on the Ecotec swap

quote Originally posted by Scurvy: i think fast fiero's is working on the Ecotec swap

Indeed he is. I'm really the only one interested in swapping in the 1.9L

Here's the latest and greatest on the plans. I just got back from a two day trip to Tom's river NJ to pick up my green 96 SL2 donor car.

It has

128K miles
5 spd
few options
runs swell
everything I need except I thought about using the fan/radiator, but both were killed in the crash sadly.

As a bonus, I also got a 96 SL1 5 spd out of the deal.

154K miles
no options
slight wreck in the front (it just needs a headlight to be street legal )
and it needs new valve seals cuz it burns some serious oil.

all for the astounding price of $250 for both cars. (plus getting them here, which I'll get there in a minute).

the plans for the SL1 are to fix and sell to my cousin. I could easily just drop a newer lower mileage motor in and sell the car for $1500+ as is, but my cousin is 16 and I promised I'd help him find/buy a car so this one fits the bill.

total cost's thus far.

$250 for both
$100 for hotel
$250 in gas
$75 in food
and whatever it cost me to get the second one here, which will also be around $250 in gas again.

so, for the grand total of $925 I now have two saturns.

as a bonus, I managed to work a deal to tow another saturn from me to PA, which netted me a cool $375 bones. bringing my total cost's back done to $550. Plus I'm selling the other to my cousin for $125 + whatever it cost's me in gas, + whatever I put into it. Bringing my net spending back down to about $175.

Combined that with the fact that the one I'm using for parts has seats that are in excellent condition that happens to have a drivers seat with lumbar, which will find it's way into my SOHC DD, carpet that is in better shape than my turbo saturns, which will find it's way into that car eventually, and every body panel/glass is good but the hood/front bumper/headlights, I'll more than make up for the $175 it cost me to own that car. Heck, I might even make money off buying the donor car. more money on engine upgrades

onto the more important details;

Presently, I bought a factory 92 header/downpipe for the motor.

I'm going to buy adjustable cam gears for $99 and mess with the timing. I've heard you can shift the torque peak up about 200 or so RPM.

I'm going to rework the factory intake, or make a homemade CAI and mount it with the side scoop I have for the ram air effect.

I'm switching to 99+ rods and maybe pistons. If I don't have the 99 + pistons I have to have the factory 98- pistons shaved so they don't hit the cylinder head. What this will accomplish is a longer rod, better rod/pistons ratio's, and if I use shaved 98 - pistons, raised compression (10-10.5 ish).

I would like ($ depending though) 91-93 flat valves. Also going to raise compression about .2 points.

at that point, I am going to trick my computer into advancing the timing 30 ish *'s, and lean out the fuel to 13ish to 1. I'll lean it more if I can get away with it and not knock on 94 octane.

After that, ACT clutch, 8 lb aluminum flywheel (or lightend stock flywheel if I don't have the $'s at the time), lightend/blanced crankshaft, and maybe if I have the $'s to spend lightweight rod's/pistons (99+ is the cheap alternative, but lightened aftermarket parts would make me happy).

Weight reduction is on the list next. Target weight is <2400 lbs, preferably <2300, but that might be pushing my luck hard.

All in all, after all that, we're only really realistically talking about 160-175 HP, 140-155 ft lbs. Which doesn't sound like much, but consider the gearing of the trans, combined with my efforts to shave as much weight as humanly possible out, I'm shooting for mid-low 14's, with no loss in low-end torque at least compared to the stock LLO, and well over 30 MPG around town, and 42-45 highway. lastly, daily driving reliable is high prioity, which is why I'm not going turbo yet. I want to see if I can make it quick for less than $1500 without going to the turbo. I'd honestly be extremely satisfied with mid to low 14's on that car. at least for a while

anyways, since that was way more than anyone really wanted to know, I'll just let you know now that it'll be a few weeks minimum before I can really start tearing this car apart. it's cold here, and I don't really have a garage yet.

For now, that is all.

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AIM= Fish100770
96 Saturn SL2 Turbo (evil SL2)

My cardomain site: cardomain.com/memberpage/702872

I've added your AIM name to my buddy list. I wanna keep up to date on this project. I, too, am interested in a DD fiero over a rocket-4 cylinder fiero.
I know the 2.2 (and 1.9) both have serious power potential, but the 40+ highway MPG interests me more. Plus, the less strain on the motor, the longer it lasts.

So, based on your info, the '99 1.9 motor is the way to go?

quote Originally posted by redwhiteandnew: So, based on your info, the '99 1.9 motor is the way to go?

Yes and no. The 99+ has a heavier crank which is to make the engine "smoother" but is not great for an N/A engine geared toward performance. The rods and pistons are better though, not so much stronger, but longer rods with shorter pistons are supposed to be easier on the rod/stroke ratio or something like that. In other words since I'll be revving the life out of that engine it will put less strain on them. The 99+ blocks are supposed to be stronger. They have a better intake manifold, and a different head. But they have their plus's and minus's. less aftermarket parts for them, smaller ports on the heads, and less is known about them. Which is why I'm building a 96-98 style frankenmotor.

o, and I'm not really on AIM anymore, email is the best way to get ahold of me.

For now that's all I have, After I get the 96 motor in there, I might work on putting a SOHC motor in. That would be more appealing to people that want a DD 4 cylinder. I get 35-45 MPG in my SOHC DD saturn, and I only really dropped under 40 when winter happened.

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AIM= Fish100770
96 Saturn SL2 Turbo (evil SL2)

My cardomain site: cardomain.com/memberpage/702872

Im curious, do you use the saturn tranny as well?
I imagine since its front wheel drive, it's got a similar transaxle...

Im asking because my brother might be getting rid of his 99 sc2. He said hes only wanting $500 for it. It's got like 180K on it though, and he's a rough driver. But I figure, pull the engine. Scrap the car. Slowly rebuild the engine, and by that time I may have enough dough to offer someone (like yourself) to drop it in my 2M4 ..

..hey, just a thought.

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quote Originally posted by redwhiteandnew: Im curious, do you use the saturn tranny as well? I imagine since its front wheel drive, it's got a similar transaxle... Im asking because my brother might be getting rid of his 99 sc2. He said hes only wanting $500 for it. It's got like 180K on it though, and he's a rough driver. But I figure, pull the engine. Scrap the car. Slowly rebuild the engine, and by that time I may have enough dough to offer someone (like yourself) to drop it in my 2M4 .. ..hey, just a thought.

Yeah, you have to use the saturn's trans, that's actually where my whole swap idea started. I wanted the stock DOHC (MP3) trans from a saturn but I've been told by numerous people that the only thing it will bolt to is the satrun 1.9L motors. O well, I really liked the engine too

Edit: O yeah, and $500 for a complete twin cam (even with 180K) is an awesome deal. Buy that up or I would

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Well, again, keep us posted on your progress. The more I have to start my Duke in the cold, the more I wish it was an EcoTec or a 1.9

Adding this to my favorites. I had a couple Saturns (SL2 and SW2) and they both ran really smooth, and shifted beautifully. I always thought that all aluminum engine made from the lost foam casting was cool. I always felt they were a little underpowered though; It's a bit hard to believe you can get 275+ HP out of that little engine. I'd love to see it done though.

Any updates?

Anything new to report?