The SRT-4 is only a 14 second car stock. On the SRT-4 forum they have a list and 90% of the "stock" SRT-4's are in the low/mid 14's. Even Sports Compact Magazine lists them as 14.2. The downside (aside from looks) is they handle poorly and they are one of the worst vehicles in crash tests.
It doesn't take much to make a Fiero faster than a stock SRT-4, A 2.8L with NOS (or a turbo) will do it. With all the 3800SC's, SBC's, N*'s, etc. on this forum, many stock SRT-4's would lose.
Any car can be modded to be fast. The SRT's modded are running 11's and there are Fiero's on here running 11's and a few into the 10's. It all comes down to a question of money, How fast do you want to go?
BTW ~ The SRT costs about $20K, a Fiero with a 3800SC swap is less than $10K and gets you into the mid 13's. The best "bang for the buck" is an older car with a modded/swapped engine.
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MilleniumFiero Member
Posts: 1225 From: Pearl Harbor, Hawaii USA Registered: Dec 2002
The SRT-4 really is a good car. I enjoy the way it feels, sounds and it sure is nice to be able to have some friends come along with you. If I wouldn't have bought my V8 Fiero I probably would have bought one
yes, the SRT4 costs 20k new...how much did the Fiero cost new?I saw a fiero with 5k miles on here for sale at 15k, the cars really arent even comparable though, they arent even the same class, the SRT is good, but too common for my taste, on the other hand...the engine and tranny are far better than anything the fiero offers stock, personally I have no grudge against SRTs...I have a grudge against the owners in general...and to me 14.2 is pretty damn quick for a stock 4 cylinder when a fiero manages what? 15.9 for the 6?(some SRT owners have supposedly gone 13.9 stock, or at least thats what they say) te SRT is a fast car...easily made faster, I give full props to it...its not a honda, the fiero is really nice car but significantly more has to be done to one to make it fast, I also give full props to many other fast cars out there....the mitsu evo8, the suburu WRX, the new mustang GT, WS6 trans ams....the list goes on, I dont care what brand it is or what it looks like...as long as it goes fast I give it props(and more props when its a domestic car in this import world)
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Exotic Rida Member
Posts: 563 From: new orleans louisiana, now displaced to atlanta Registered: Jan 2004
yes, the SRT4 costs 20k new...how much did the Fiero cost new?I saw a fiero with 5k miles on here for sale at 15k, the cars really arent even comparable though, they arent even the same class, the SRT is good, but too common for my taste, on the other hand...the engine and tranny are far better than anything the fiero offers stock, personally I have no grudge against SRTs...I have a grudge against the owners in general...and to me 14.2 is pretty damn quick for a stock 4 cylinder when a fiero manages what? 15.9 for the 6?(some SRT owners have supposedly gone 13.9 stock, or at least thats what they say) te SRT is a fast car...easily made faster, I give full props to it...its not a honda, the fiero is really nice car but significantly more has to be done to one to make it fast, I also give full props to many other fast cars out there....the mitsu evo8, the suburu WRX, the new mustang GT, WS6 trans ams....the list goes on, I dont care what brand it is or what it looks like...as long as it goes fast I give it props(and more props when its a domestic car in this import world)
a engines dispacement and cylinders dont mean squat, a SRT 4 is turbocharged!!!!!!! a 2.8 v6 manking 140 hp in the late 80's that was strong... a srt4 is what 2.4 liters with 230 hp lets see a viper v10 makes 500 hp from 8.3 liters thats too much engine for a measley 500 hp where a ferrari f430 makes 483 with 1/2 the engine and 2 less clyinders....
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Capt Fiero Member
Posts: 7658 From: British Columbia, Canada Registered: Feb 2000
a engines displacement and cylinders don't mean squat, a SRT 4 is turbocharged!!!!!!! a 2.8 v6 manking 140 hp in the late 80's that was strong... a srt4 is what 2.4 liters with 230 hp lets see a viper v10 makes 500 hp from 8.3 liters thats too much engine for a measley 500 hp where a ferrari f430 makes 483 with 1/2 the engine and 2 less clyinders....
Dude I hope you do not seriously believe what you are thinking.
A 500hp V10 makes a great deal more power than a 500hp 4 popper.
Displacement means a great deal. A 4 popper fires 2 cyl per crankshaft rotation, V12 fires 6 cyl per crankshaft rotation. Torque curve and PowerBand is a HUGE DEAL.
Take 2 cars both are exactly the same setups.
Drop in a 600hp Turbo 2.0 litre 4cyl in one and a 400hp 10.0 litre V12 and guess what. That V12 will make power from idle to redline and blow the doors off the Turbo.
If that 4 popper makes power and 9000 rpms, but crap at 1000-7000, and the V12 can make power all the way from Idle to redline. That V12 will take off like a rocket and just keep pulling and pulling and pulling.
Horsepower Sells cars to the idiots Torque Wins races for car guys.
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"I think the SRT-4 is a fast but terribly junky dodge. Not the first one I'd describe like that. BTW, I had a Plymouth laser Turbo/AWD. It was really neat, until the timing belt had to be replaced ($600) at 50K miles and the turbo started dying a horrible death at 63K. This piece of diamond star crap will do the same thing."
umm, just to let you know...you can replace a timing belt yourself in roughly 3 hours, also...those are great cars...as long as proper maitenance is performed...and a turbo and/or t-belt is no big deal, but you do have to be mechanically inclined to easily own any high performance car(or prepared to have a lot of shop time) you want reliability buy a camry
UMMM, just to let you know. I got rid of the car and never changed the belt because it developed several bigtime problems around 60K. I'm doing an engine swap in my Fiero, so please don't question my mechanical ability.
Dude I hope you do not seriously believe what you are thinking.
A 500hp V10 makes a great deal more power than a 500hp 4 popper.
Displacement means a great deal. A 4 popper fires 2 cyl per rpm, V12 fires 6 cyl per rpm. Torque curve and PowerBand is a HUGE DEAL.
Take 2 cars both are exactly the same setups.
Drop in a 600hp Turbo 2.0 litre 4cyl in one and a 400hp 10.0 litre V12 and guess what. That V12 will make power from idle to redline and blow the doors off the Turbo.
If that 4 popper makes power and 9000 rpms, but crap at 1000-7000, and the V12 can make power all the way from Idle to redline. That V12 will take off like a rocket and just keep pulling and pulling and pulling.
Horsepower Sells cars to the idiots Torque Wins races for car guys.
To Clarify your post, I would say larger displacement engines make more "useable" power, considering that the torque and power curves tend to be way more flat along the RPM range... That doesn't make much difference when you can have a Mitsubishi 4G63 running 600 hp and propelling a Talon to 10 second 1/4 mile runs... it's really a preference of how you want the power to be used... there really isn't one better than the other, both will still plant you in your seat.
When you drive a car, you don't feel hp, you feel torque. High hp low torque, well thats pretty much any high performance engine from F1 cars to motorbikes.
For those that think the SRT-4 doesn't handle well, here is a quote from BlackazzGT who has recently bought an SRT-4. He also owns that nice gunmetal grey 4.9 powered fiero.
"Anyway, I like the post about how the SRT-4 is out classed in everything except speed.
Handling and braking, the guy says the SRT looses. Yea right, I love the fiero, but I am sorry to say, it will loose in every way to my bone stock SRT-4. The ecceleration of the the SRT-4 is awesome. First gear is great, 2ed is amazing, 3 pulls just as hard, 4th keeps....... well you get the Idea. But beleive me, the brakes are just as amazing. Handling also."
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86fieroEarl Member
Posts: 2203 From: Orlando, FL Registered: Jun 2002
SRT's are cool but I think WRX's are a bit faster and handles a hell of alot better then a SRT. My uncle just got a SRT and compared to the WRX I test drove HA.
This makes me believe the story about the fiero spanking the SRT, Im sure a SRT would hold it's own on a large road or something like the freeway,
Torc wins races Hp sells cars
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86fieroEarl Member
Posts: 2203 From: Orlando, FL Registered: Jun 2002
The SRT-4 is only a 14 second car stock. On the SRT-4 forum they have a list and 90% of the "stock" SRT-4's are in the low/mid 14's. Even Sports Compact Magazine lists them as 14.2. The downside (aside from looks) is they handle poorly and they are one of the worst vehicles in crash tests.
It doesn't take much to make a Fiero faster than a stock SRT-4, A 2.8L with NOS (or a turbo) will do it. With all the 3800SC's, SBC's, N*'s, etc. on this forum, many stock SRT-4's would lose.
Any car can be modded to be fast. The SRT's modded are running 11's and there are Fiero's on here running 11's and a few into the 10's. It all comes down to a question of money, How fast do you want to go?
BTW ~ The SRT costs about $20K, a Fiero with a 3800SC swap is less than $10K and gets you into the mid 13's. The best "bang for the buck" is an older car with a modded/swapped engine.
Well said.
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Posts: 8081 From: Hastings, MI Registered: Oct 2001
handling is as good as long as you have an updated suspension. When your comparing an almost 20 year old suspension to something new I mean come on common sense here. My friends rode both in an SRT and my car, as far as I know he liked both cars a lot! and he said no way in hell the SRT would corner as good. I was shocked cause everyone talks it up. I asked him you're joking right he's like nope, said the back end on the SRT liked to kick out around corners. I don't take corners easy with him as its funny cause he cringes on the side and kind of crunches down in the seat.
I'm not saying I can out corner every SRT4 Neon on the road. People need to redo the suspension get rid of those crappy half assed good year tires and get something performance oriented. Were comparing 2 different tire sizes 15's vs 17's and I know the tires that come with the SRT are very well performance oriented, unlike the good years. I had a set of those good years on my car and talk about making noise taking corners and hydroplaning like no other.
it's actually HP sells cars Torque wins races. You don't see car company's saying 300 TQ! it's 300 HP like the new Grand Am's at the time it was 175 HP not TQ that they kept advertising HP. In a racing stand point yes, HP sure does win races, TQ will get you off the line and HP will continue to make it haul through out the gears. Again though how long/short is the race, so theres a 50/50 thing going on.
like I said I've been in a SRT4 Neon driven hard, so I'm not basing the car upon story's on story's. I can see this thread already appearing on the SRT4 forums I must add in these cars do take flight around 100 and will pull to 150 mph no problem.
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madcurl Member
Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
SRT's are cool but I think WRX's are a bit faster and handles a hell of alot better then a SRT. My uncle just got a SRT and compared to the WRX I test drove HA.
This makes me believe the story about the fiero spanking the SRT, Im sure a SRT would hold it's own on a large road or something like the freeway,
Torc wins races Hp sells cars
My Stealth N* Fiero spanked a WRX (4) wheel drive.
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crzyone Member
Posts: 3571 From: Alberta, Canada Registered: Dec 2000
My Stealth N* Fiero spanked a WRX (4) wheel drive.
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I've shut down a couple WRX's with my 3.4 DOHC ..
Non STi wrx's only run in the mid 14's stock, IE not fast...
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Originally posted by FIEROPHREK:
Hey wasn't that trigger with his almighty replacement for displacement? think he needs to find a replacement for his replacement HA HA.
I've got the same car basically except it comes with an eagle emblem instead of a mitsu emblem... wanna try out my replacement for displacement? I've got some traction problems launching on the street so I wouldnt mind going from a roll since apparantly thats "the true test of horsepower" anyway but if you like we can go from a dig too...
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I BTW, I had a Plymouth laser Turbo/AWD. It was really neat, until the timing belt had to be replaced ($600) at 50K miles and the turbo started dying a horrible death at 63K. This piece of diamond star crap will do the same thing.
Proper maitance is key with any car, especially a performance car, even more-so yet with a turbocharged car... People put in cheap gas, put on mods in the wrong order, abuse them, ignore regular maitance and things break. My car has left me standing once because of something I messed up, it had nothing to do with the car being a POS. Even though I have had my share of problems with it, and i'm not going to say I havent, but its nothing I dont expect from a car with almost 190k miles on the ORIGINAL STOCK BOTTOM END AND TRANSMISSION... Head was changed before I got it with a used unit and unknown miles...
Like it or not you have to respect that an srt-4 has alot of upgradability, is supported by mother dodge, mopar "stages" are covered by warranty, and is cheap. If you can't hang then either 1) realize that your car is not fast and get over it 2) sell your car and buy a faster one 3) get more mods and rematch...
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wicked93gs Member
Posts: 208 From: Franklin, TN USA Registered: Apr 2003
just to let you know, dodge does have staged upgrade kits available, but once you bolt one on the warranty covering the engine becomes void, not that it really matters, turbocharged 2.4s are pretty damn reliable motors in my experience...the only problems i have ever experienced with mine were user error
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ICouldaBeenAV8 Member
Posts: 692 From: Chatsworth, California; Clearwater, Florida, and Milwaukee, Wisc. Registered: Jun 2003
Wow! I'm always fascinated by these threads. I own a 1988 Fiero GT and an '04 SRT-4. I love both of these cars. I mainly got interested in the Dodge because my son got an STI and I figured it would be fun to tweak him a little bit with a lowly Peon. I was also tired of trying to upgrade my Fiero's engine and stay smog legal in California. Some observations: 1) Not such a junky Dodge. I've been making minor changes and have been into the engine, dash and wiring. For a car built to a low price, I'm surprised at the quality and thought that seems to have gone into this car. 2) I think of it as cute, not ugly, but I didn't buy the car for its looks. In fact if I could have bought a regular Neon with the SRT-4 running gear I would have. The stealth factor is so satisfying when you smoke some unknowing yahoo who thinks his 300 Z or G35 is a really hot car. 3) I don't doubt a v8 or 3800 eqquipped Fiero will beat a stock SRT-4. If only I could get one in California. But immense horsepower upgrades are available from Dodge which are plug and play. So by the time my v8 is in my Fiero and fully sorted out, I've been having fun in my SRT-4 for a year and a half. 4) Not all Srt-4 owners are mechanically inept, pimply faced teenagers with traces of bodily fluids in their sock drawer. I'm 58 and have 35 years experience as a former (thank God) auto repair business owner. 5) Having said that, I still love my Fiero for what it is and for what GM could have made it. There is another car I want that is vastly faster then most SRT-4s and Fieros, but my wife says the Fiero has to go first as well as the Srt-4, but I can't bring myself to sell my Fiero. Yet. 6) The Peon handles extremely well for a FWD car. I took it to Willow Springs in 110 degree heat when it was just a puppy (600 miles) and after several laps the engine would tick over at idle without the slightest hiccup, the temps were dead nuts normal, the brakes weren't fading or smoking, and it would restart instantly if shut down. Handles awesomely as a starting point for a FWD. Again Dodge offers plug and play suspension upgrades. I don't want to start anything, but how many V8 or 3800 Fieros are sorted out enough to do that? 7) As someone who has spent a lifetime of Saturday nights underneath various of my always flawed custom creations, I appreciate Dodge producing a cheap, lightweight, high horsepower car along with all the bolt-on performance upgrades. As enthusiasts we should all appreciate that. Who else is doing that now? 8) As Fiero owners we are subject to a lot of contempt from other enthusiasts and I would think that the last thing we would do is turn around and do that ourselves. 9)Meanwhile, can't someone figure out how to shehorn the SRT-4 driveline into a Fiero?
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88 GT "ICouldaBeenAV8", Went to a good home - 72 V8 Z "Agent Orange", 87 FZR 1000 "Young and Hung", 1979 CBX "Sumo Wrestler", CB1100F "Queen For A Day", RIP M35 Bonanza "Money Pit", and SRT-4 "Giant Killer".
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Erik Member
Posts: 5628 From: Des Moines, Iowa Registered: Jul 2002
I've got the same car basically except it comes with an eagle emblem instead of a mitsu emblem... wanna try out my replacement for displacement? I've got some traction problems launching on the street so I wouldnt mind going from a roll since apparantly thats "the true test of horsepower" anyway but if you like we can go from a dig too...
Sure , as soon as i get my "displacement " coversion installed and running properly i would be glad to show you the power of a small block chevy, that by the way runs on PUMP GAS ! Stay tunned as soon as i get done the "parts harvesting" portion of my quest I will be doing a build thread on the motor as well as installation into the car.
Oh yeah we can go from a roll or from a light it makes no differance to me I'll still put you in the mirror
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Posts: 3571 From: Alberta, Canada Registered: Dec 2000
Oh yeah we can go from a roll or from a light it makes no differance to me I'll still put you in the mirror
Apparently you don't hang around turbo boards much. There are plenty of modified dsm's putting down 600 all wheel hp. I would watch who you race with your V-8 fiero, there is always someone faster.
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AaronZ34 Member
Posts: 2322 From: Colorado Springs, CO Registered: Oct 2004
I can't believe we are all comparing a brand new, competition driven marketing car against an 80s car built for fuel efficiency, reliability, and comfort. In reality, that's all the Fiero was in 84, it wasn't meant to tare up the local autocross or dragstrip, it was meant to get people to work, cheaply, reliably, and effectively. Later on the image of the car changed into a sports car, with the 85-88 model years. Along with this came more horsepower. But still, it had no competition. The SRT-4 is getting owned by the STi and Evo 8, and has a Cobalt right on its a$$. The Fiero didn't have this. I'm sure if Ford/Dodge built a Fiero wannabe, with more power, GM would combat it. Bet your bottom dollar it'd have a kicka$$ DOHC V6, and handling to make the Vettes scuirm. It isn't about who is better, it's about who sells more. Thee who sells less needs to beat the other with more power, better handling, at a cheaper cost. The SRT-4 is made to combat the STi and Evo 8, it just isn't yet. Yet.
Originally posted by FIEROPHREK: that by the way runs on PUMP GAS !
If your not done with it I would say it doesnt run on anything...
My car RUNS on 93 octane pump gas, at the track and on the street where I drive it every day to work and get 24mpg. I drive it in the rain, sleet and snow, with the same tires that i run at the track with, I run it at the same boost at the track as I do on the street, it has a full interior, power steering and cruise control... basically its far from a race gas fueled trailor queen if thats what you think anything without a v8 needs to be to be fast.... As with what crzyone said...I would just be careful who/what you offer to race considering the number of dsms, srt's, and wrx's that run in the 10's and 11's in street trim and the number of fieros that do the same... You talk awful big considering my car runs, drives, and can race at any time while yours isnt even running yet but hey, I'm always up for a decent race, entertain me...
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crzyone Member
Posts: 3571 From: Alberta, Canada Registered: Dec 2000
Originally posted by AaronZ34: The SRT-4 is getting owned by the STi and Evo 8, and has a Cobalt right on its a$$. . The SRT-4 is made to combat the STi and Evo 8, it just isn't yet. Yet.
Mopar knows what its car is capable of. It can easily walk any of those cars with the mopar parts available. Some dealerships will warranty the stage 2 upgrade if they install it which is decent of Dodge. All hp numbers posted for the SRT-4 are at the wheels. I wouldn't doubt if the STi's power claims are at the flywheel. The trani is what makes the SRT-4 special, it can make 500hp at the wheels with guys taking it to the drag strip all the time. There are failures here and there, but they beat the crap out of those cars. The SRT makes more torque than hp, so you know the driveline is solid. The SRT-4 is a car I would feel comfortable modding and not worrying if I'm going to break something. One thing you forgot to mention, the SRT-4 is only 21K. The evo and STi are much more expensive.
The cobalt will never be in direct competition if its limited to its tiny supercharger. It would be expensive to upgrade the cobalt to compete. I've been hearing alot of talk of twin charging, I can only imagine what that will cost....
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wicked93gs Member
Posts: 208 From: Franklin, TN USA Registered: Apr 2003
umm...the SRT tranny really isnt much stronger than the regular neon tranny, which has been proven to handle just as much abuse(when upgraded with a decent clutch and a LSD) and really the SRT is faster than a stock WRX(non STI) runs dead even with a new mustang GT(or very close to it at least) and blows away anything it its own price range, if I had another Fiero I would do a SRT swap myself(or rather use my older 2.4 turbocharged and built motor, same thing really, I just need to replace a rod and get a new crank and some bearings, no biggie) again, its just custom mounts, custom axles and a long time tracing wiring, but anyway, I dont really care what type of car it is, if its fast, I like it....if it handles well I like it...and any car with the combination....
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crzyone Member
Posts: 3571 From: Alberta, Canada Registered: Dec 2000
Didn't realize its the same trani as a regular neon. Here is a post on SRTforums where they are talking about the stock SRT-4 transmission. Sounds strong.
Why do people always have to ***** & complain about the SRT-4. cant we all just get along? Not all Srt4 owners are cocky pricks.On a side note the Srt handles really well in my opinion, but stock for stock my fiero will out handle it. P.S. Nice kill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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LoW_KeY Member
Posts: 8081 From: Hastings, MI Registered: Oct 2001
Dude I hope you do not seriously believe what you are thinking.
A 500hp V10 makes a great deal more power than a 500hp 4 popper.
Displacement means a great deal. A 4 popper fires 2 cyl per crankshaft rotation, V12 fires 6 cyl per crankshaft rotation. Torque curve and PowerBand is a HUGE DEAL.
Take 2 cars both are exactly the same setups.
Drop in a 600hp Turbo 2.0 litre 4cyl in one and a 400hp 10.0 litre V12 and guess what. That V12 will make power from idle to redline and blow the doors off the Turbo.
If that 4 popper makes power and 9000 rpms, but crap at 1000-7000, and the V12 can make power all the way from Idle to redline. That V12 will take off like a rocket and just keep pulling and pulling and pulling.
Horsepower Sells cars to the idiots Torque Wins races for car guys.
true useable power is a factor also, but its also how long you can use the power too!!!! you used the magic word IF!!!! "If that 4 popper makes power and 9000 rpms, but crap at 1000-7000, and the V12 can make power all the way from Idle to redline,That V12 will take off like a rocket and just keep pulling and pulling and pulling'
ponder this, my 3.4 DOHC has a ridicilous powerband, and my friend has a 4.9 caddy, he has WAY more torque than me, off the line, yeah hell get me but about 45 m.p.h. ill pass him. really you are right about powerband but engine size dont mean SQUAT........
and this???? this is a crock of bs
Horsepower Sells cars to the idiots Torque Wins races for car guys
its the engines ability to carry that power throughout the powerband, think this torque sells to so called OLD SCHOOL (no flame intended) racers where at a time cars never made real horsepower who cares if your HEMI or SBC makes 400 ft/lbs can you carry it for more than 3000 -4000 rpm?
dont get me wrong you NEED torque but its how long you can carry it!!!!
ever wonder why 360 modena can blow the doors off a car with a lot of torque!!!( a 360 has 400 hp 275 ft/lbs)
powerband!! my 3.4 DOHC with the same hp as a 4.9 v8 and WAY less torque can beat it the the 1/4 (never lost to my friends car) his is an auto by the way.......
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If your not done with it I would say it doesnt run on anything...
LOL!!!!
on the transmission issue, the tranny is the one that was designed to be used in the sebring/stratus RT platform. it is mated to the V6 in those apps. it is designed to hold more power froma heavier car. when working at roush, our srt-4's trannys ALL made it thoguh testing, even when mopar was haivng us run upwards of 20 pounds of boost. and we put the cars though hell and back. eventually, with one of our cars, there was a tuning problem (remember, these were pre-production cars) and one of the dodge engineers ended up blowing up the motor in colorado (high altitude testing with a young engineer and a heavefoot with the motor leaned out will do that). otherwise, the trannys held up great, and the motors did as well. the srt-4 is a beast of a car
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Posts: 1652 From: Glendale, California, USA Registered: Dec 2001
Originally posted by Morkidan: Why do people always have to ***** & complain about the SRT-4. cant we all just get along? Not all Srt4 owners are cocky pricks. On a side note the Srt handles really well in my opinion, but stock for stock my fiero will out handle it.
I have 3 early Neons and at least three Fieros (including an 88 GT), but I do not own an SRT-4 (at least not yet). I prefer the early Neon and am seriously thinking about putting an SRT-4 engine into an early chassis. (As I understand, the SRT-4 trans is substantially larger and heavier than the earlier Neon trans, but the 2nd gen Magnum trans should work.)
In any event, I have been a turbo Dodge fan for the better part of 20 years and think that the SRT-4 is the best bang for the buck from any manufacturer. Don't get me wrong, the Solstice is very tempting, and I would be very interested in the retro Nomad (kappa platform?) if it were available with a turbocharged (or maybe even supercharged) Ecotec engine. But you have to give credit where credit is due... that is credit to the car and its maker, but not necessarily every jerk who buys one.
As for handling "stock for stock", I would disagree. Not when you are running an early Fiero with rubber bushings, cradle mounts, and the bump steer we all have experienced. In fact, my 86 Dodge Omni GLHS handled and accelerated better than any stock Fiero I ever drove... and it cost at least $2-3k less when new.
The mid 80's turbo Dodge cars continue to smoke many higher priced competitors on a regular basis. My good friend's 87 Omni (affectionately known as "The Ugly Old Omni" at the track) has a best 1/8 mile time of 7.51. This is a fully loaded street driven car with A/C that has no difficulty passing California's smog test. A couple years back we participated in a local AutoX event. Even with fairly worn shocks, it posted the second fastest time of day, just a tick behind a turbo Porsche (big $$). At that event, my first gen Neon posted significantly and consistently better times than the only Fiero there; an 85 V6 with 4 speed. I realize that is only one event and there may be a difference in drivers, and the results could be different on a different course. But my point is that the turbo Dodge cars are probably a bit better than most Fiero owners are willing to admit.
BTW, The Ugly Old Omni should be running at Irwindale this evening. If there are any good running Fieros in the area that want to match up, it could make for an interesting race.
ICouldaBeenaV8 has taken his SRT-4 to Willow Springs where he apparently was satisfied (if not impressed) with the performance. In fact there are other SRT-4 cars that regularly run there with NASA's TT (time trial) series. See: http://socal.nasa-tt.com/id7.html for the results. You will note that the two SRT-4 competitors seem to be performing quite well... right up there with some pretty impressive machinery. Haven't seen a Fiero out there yet. (I understand that Chris West's car -- turbo 3.4 TDC runs very well, but I haven't seen him run since he runs with a different group.)
Don't dispair... I haven't given up on the Fiero. It is just that California smog regs make it difficult to get a smog compliant high performance Fiero with a stick shift, although Chris West has proven that it can be done. And, I continue to plod along with my Fiero projects. Hopefully, I will be able to complete my 4.9 powered NASA-TT Fiero in the near future. Pretty much have all the parts, but need to snap them together. This car could run in TTF or TTE (up one class) depending on whether I want to run with street tires or DOT R compound tires. In either case, it should be fun.
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12:58 PM
wicked93gs Member
Posts: 208 From: Franklin, TN USA Registered: Apr 2003
the SRT 4 tranny is different than the regular neon tranny, but not all that much stronger(both trannies are stong as hell, even though the regular neon tranny is rated at 130 ft lbs it handles over 500ft lbs with a decent clutch and a LSD(though I think before the SRT trannies the best neon tranny was an 02 RT, they are all plenty strong) I have a 2.4T in my current 98 neon and am in the process of putting a SRT 2.4T in it, its a great motor, very good for a fiero swap if someone wants to work it out
If your not done with it I would say it doesnt run on anything...
My car RUNS on 93 octane pump gas, at the track and on the street where I drive it every day to work and get 24mpg. I drive it in the rain, sleet and snow, with the same tires that i run at the track with, I run it at the same boost at the track as I do on the street, it has a full interior, power steering and cruise control... basically its far from a race gas fueled trailor queen if thats what you think anything without a v8 needs to be to be fast.... As with what crzyone said...I would just be careful who/what you offer to race considering the number of dsms, srt's, and wrx's that run in the 10's and 11's in street trim and the number of fieros that do the same... You talk awful big considering my car runs, drives, and can race at any time while yours isnt even running yet but hey, I'm always up for a decent race, entertain me...
Originally posted by wicked93gs: the SRT 4 tranny is different than the regular neon tranny, but not all that much stronger(both trannies are stong as hell, even though the regular neon tranny is rated at 130 ft lbs it handles over 500ft lbs with a decent clutch and a LSD(though I think before the SRT trannies the best neon tranny was an 02 RT, they are all plenty strong) I have a 2.4T in my current 98 neon and am in the process of putting a SRT 2.4T in it, its a great motor, very good for a fiero swap if someone wants to work it out
According to the chart, the 01-04 Magnum trans is stronger than the 1st gen Neon trans, and has the more desirable (at least in N.A. applications) 3.94 final drive. However, if I were to install the SRT-4 turbo engine into a 1st gen, I might opt for the 3.55 final drive.
If your not done with it I would say it doesnt run on anything...
My car RUNS on 93 octane pump gas, at the track and on the street where I drive it every day to work and get 24mpg. I drive it in the rain, sleet and snow, with the same tires that i run at the track with, I run it at the same boost at the track as I do on the street, it has a full interior, power steering and cruise control... basically its far from a race gas fueled trailor queen if thats what you think anything without a v8 needs to be to be fast.... As with what crzyone said...I would just be careful who/what you offer to race considering the number of dsms, srt's, and wrx's that run in the 10's and 11's in street trim and the number of fieros that do the same... You talk awful big considering my car runs, drives, and can race at any time while yours isnt even running yet but hey, I'm always up for a decent race, entertain me...
You'r right i do talk awfull big . I have the knowledge and ability to make anything happen. True there are many dsm's, srt's and wrx's that are 10 second cars, but the question is ,is yours one of them? You don't have to aswer, as to we can find out in do time. Why should i be carefull about who i offer to race? If i get beat it means I need to take my a$$ back in the garage and find more power. I'm not afraid to lose and i'm not afraid of smack talk. If your car is truely a v-8 killer it will shine on the track. If not then your replacement for displacement isn't doing it's job.
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05:17 PM
crzyone Member
Posts: 3571 From: Alberta, Canada Registered: Dec 2000
Your car doesn't run. Until you make it run and take it to a track, you are bench racing. Tina and Cali both have big hp sbc's and are running in the mid 11-low 12 second range. Far cry from 10 or even 9 second dsm's. Just because its a V-8 doens't make it king of the hill.
I am hoping for mid 12s with my N*. I know there are plenty of faster cars out there, even 4 cyl ones.....
Thanks, I thought those pics looked familar... I saw your post on talk (http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1186134&postcount=27) about 2 seconds before I read your post here
You should look into a gm translator if you want to keep the vented bov, dsms dont use a map system like the TD's so vented bovs tend to make them run poorly if you keep the stock mas sensor. Good luck with it.
I've always been keeping an eye out for a GHLS (sleeper ), but everyone wants a fortune for them even if thier rusted out to nothing...
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Originally posted by FIEROPHREK:
You'r right i do talk awfull big . I have the knowledge and ability to make anything happen. True there are many dsm's, srt's and wrx's that are 10 second cars, but the question is ,is yours one of them? You don't have to aswer, as to we can find out in do time. Why should i be carefull about who i offer to race? If i get beat it means I need to take my a$$ back in the garage and find more power. I'm not afraid to lose and i'm not afraid of smack talk. If your car is truely a v-8 killer it will shine on the track. If not then your replacement for displacement isn't doing it's job.
Actions speak louder than words, I drive my car, you cant. You are talking smack with a car that doesnt move, If you want to talk about "when I get this and this done to my car i'll smoke you" like every ricer in my area that says "when i get my turbo kit i'll smoke you..." then we can talk about the g4cs 2.4l shortblock I have sitting on my workbench right now... but I dont talk about that because it doesnt run yet. I am also in no big hurry to get it done because I dont talk $hit i cant backup so I dont need it, my car is plenty fast right now without it, and I have other priorities in my life than dumping every cent into a car.
As for being a v8 smoker I have had the car to the track twice, both times I was the fastest car, of any displacement, that didnt come on a trailor and if you want to talk street races the only one i've gotten of interest was an iroq z camaro with a built 383 stroker that was gutted and caged that I havent seen in the area since I smoked him...
You said you would put me in the mirror.. when? in 2 years? My car is not a 10 second car, but it was a bone stock 14 second car 2 years ago, whos to say what it will be by the time you get yours off blocks and onto the street?
Your car doesn't run. Until you make it run and take it to a track, you are bench racing. Tina and Cali both have big hp sbc's and are running in the mid 11-low 12 second range. Far cry from 10 or even 9 second dsm's. Just because its a V-8 doens't make it king of the hill.
I am hoping for mid 12s with my N*. I know there are plenty of faster cars out there, even 4 cyl ones.....
No sh*t sherlock. Jeez have you even read my post were I said " as soon as i get my "displacement " coversion installed and running properly " As for the bench racing thing "ring ring ....Hello this is the Kettle. Your black : Pot : Your mid 12 second north star conversion is a valiant effert but way to SLOW by my standards. To each his own I guess.
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05:49 PM
wicked93gs Member
Posts: 208 From: Franklin, TN USA Registered: Apr 2003
According to the chart, the 01-04 Magnum trans is stronger than the 1st gen Neon trans, and has the more desirable (at least in N.A. applications) 3.94 final drive. However, if I were to install the SRT-4 turbo engine into a 1st gen, I might opt for the 3.55 final drive.
true, its slightly stronger...not much...and my 1st gen neon has the 3.94 tranny anyway(though it really isnt much good once turbocharged unless you like lots of wheelspin) as far as the SRT4 goes, I believe it uses a getrag itself, tough tranny...but anyway I think I may very well buy another fiero and drop the swap in just for the hell of it(and here I was trying to be a rarity in the Fiero world by owning just one fiero, he he) my goal is 3 cars, 1 FWD, 1RWD and one AWD(want a Subaru SVX for my AWD choice)
HA. 
I must add in these cars do take flight around 100 and will pull to 150 mph no problem.
