The scene:
SRT4 (strategically debadged) sitting at a light. This is a two lane strip of road where it "Y's" about a block up to go north/south onto a highway, so no nuns children or baby kittens were anywhere around.

I pull up on the right with my buddy in his V8 Fiero behind me.

Neon makes rocking fore/aft motion ("lets go!") before the light cycles.

Light changes... We both go for it. I get a huge jump on him, and get so far ahead of him that I see in the rear view that my buddy has ALSO beat him! Talked to buddy later who said he could hear the shriek of the guys turbo, and the wastegate popping (etc) since he was more beside the guy than I was.

Funny stuff!

(oh, wanna bet that that guy is NOT over on a Neon forum explaining how he got beat by two cars at the same time??)

OMG here comes the BS squad. You better get your buddy on here to back you up.

Before they get hear to ruin the fun:
KOOL. ha I would have loved to see his face, not only to get beat by the guy you tried to race, but the GUY BEHIND HIM TOO ROTFL

lol thats good stuff. Well good luck with the B.S.S Ive given up trying to argue with them, when something cool happens to me I mostly just keep it to myself otherwise someone is sure to try to convince me it never happened.

heh, being a neon owner myself I can say that SRT4 owners are reformed hondaphiles who think they are fast(and some of them are) heh, they dont associate much with us older 95-99 neons(even though my built 2.4 turbo could smoke most of them) after all, our cars are "just neons" where they have SRT4s :::rolls eyes::: but anyway, what engine are you using? I would think a SC3800 or a 3.4 swap with some bolt ons could smoke them pretty good..as well as a v8 swap

This story sounds true. The SRT-4 when it does a hard launch just sits there and spins the front tires. Specially with the stock tires and rims. My 2.8 with a 4 speed fiero could always get my friend who has an SRT-4 off the line, but by the time 2nd would wind out is when he would start to leave me. What kind of engine do you have? What kind of V8 does your friend have? My buddy with the SRT-4 and I havn't been able to compare my new V8 fiero to his SRT-4 but I can guarantee he would have no chance at all now

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prowling the pacific...

87 GT - V8 - 5 Speed

quote Originally posted by 86GT3.4DOHC: You better get your buddy on here to back you up.

uh... turbo/intercooler... i dont think he needs any proof he can beat an srt4...

quote Originally posted by MilleniumFiero: What kind of engine do you have? What kind of V8 does your friend have?

Mine: 2.8 stock (uh, ok, except for the balancing, completely custom built, 11psi turbo and intercooler!) 5spd.
Buddies: hand made (made his own adaptor plate by hand!) 305 4bbl conversion w/5spd.

I thought I might have hit (or come close!) the neon, as when I launched I roasted the tires up so hard (more for show than go!) the back end slipped over a bit and I actually had to counter steer to stay in a straight line. And no, I'm not a newbie driver (I've got nearly 30 years behind the wheel) so I know what I'm doing.

I wish the road had kept going - would have been more fun!

quote Originally posted by watts: (oh, wanna bet that that guy is NOT over on a Neon forum explaining how he got beat by two cars at the same time??)

hehehe. Good kill.

Oh GREAT so when I do something cool everyone picks on me, but he does and everyone congratulates him. Thanks guys !

no im not dissing you, that was an honest congrats, but like I said everyime Ive posted something like this I get liked 5 congrats, 2 sounds reasonable and 4 guys calling BS because they "know" that it couldnt happen. lol.

How do you "hand make" an adapter? lol a very good tapemeasure i guess. I never did understand something though, if you use 1/2" steel plate, doesnt that set the tranny over 1/2"? wouldnt that cause clutch problems? thats what i dont understand how they work

quote Originally posted by 86GT3.4DOHC: How do you "hand make" an adapter?

Veeerrryyyyy carefully.

Saving the minor details.... He had a TH350 trans, and a getrag. He laid the th350 on some cardboard and carefully marked out all the points. Laid the getrag over the same drawing, using the crank center line as a common point. Xfered it to some 1/4" plate. Few drill holes etc here and there... tweak tweak... bla bla.... Done.

Had a flywheel modified by some machine shop (don't know much more - he did this before I met him).

He's been driving it for a while now. It works, what can I say!

Yea I see how that could work now that you meantion moding the flywheel, if you added a 1/4" spacer to the fly and used longer bolts hmmm. Im still tossing around the jagV12 swap so im checking on stuff like that, as I will likely have to make, or have made the adapter myself

Being a Turbododge guy, I'm going to say that the kill is totally possible, it should be a close race if the SRT owner knows how to drive, and yes, SRT4's are quite fast. The power to weight ratio is totally similar for both cars, and as such the Fiero would have stoplight advantage being RWD mid engined.

Good kill, try him from 80 mph next time though and see how much the SRT will pull.

Check out this guy's SRT.
www.dodgez.com

i still don't see what it is people see in a neon. All i see is cheap rice written all over it that in a few years is worth less than a fiero.

Same deal as a Civic. Heck look at what GM is doing with the cavalier, they renamed it and gave it a more ricer image

Good kill Fellow SRT-4 hater ! See what happens when you can hit 2nd and 4th ! Down with the almighty SRT-4 !

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"but when equipped with NOS, sometimes I feel invincible..."
"but when I race from a roll it's hard to hit 2nd"

quote Originally posted by Leafy: Being a Turbododge guy, I'm going to say that the kill is totally possible, it should be a close race if the SRT owner knows how to drive, and yes, SRT4's are quite fast. The power to weight ratio is totally similar for both cars, and as such the Fiero would have stoplight advantage being RWD mid engined. Good kill, try him from 80 mph next time though and see how much the SRT will pull. Check out this guy's SRT. www.dodgez.com

Im calling

a SRT4 is a 13 second car stock. (jacks off vigorously)

No way the ALL MIGHTY SRT could lose if the guy knew what he was doing.

Heres a nice vid of a POS talon thinking it had what it took against the SRT4. (still jacking)

http://www.quadcitiesdsm.com/sean/sean/AnthonyVid.mpg

imagine if that SRT4 was NAWZZZZ equipped. No Fiero would touch it.

Race that SRT4 from a roll...the TRUE test of HP
NHRA is thinking about starting to do that

disclaimer: this was a sarcastic post, didnt want people to think Im brainwashed like someother 2 faced people here

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87GT Maroon 3800SC 4T65E swap almost done. Complete rebuild, ZZP NIC Cam, 3" MPS, Meziere Electric Water Pump, Flow Matched Lucas 42.5# Injectors, TB Spacer, Ported intake manifold, Ported Exhaust Manifolds, Steel Braided brake lines, eibach 1" lowering springs. Poly all around. Por-15 engine bay, cradle, aluminum cradle mounts, more to come soon !!!!

Good kill. I love to surprise SRT-4's. Although my exhaust rumble gives me away.

86GT3.4DOHC In my northstar swap the flywheel was designed for a normal rear drive transmission and was a 1/4 inch to thick for the transaxel, so in my case I needed the extra 1/4 inch spacer. It will vary from swap to swap as there are so many factors that can change your spacing.

snopes?

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quote Originally posted by DelawareFiero: http://www.quadcitiesdsm.com/sean/sean/AnthonyVid.mpg

Hey wasn't that trigger with his almighty replacement for displacement? think he needs to find a replacement for his replacement
HA HA.

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"but when equipped with NOS, sometimes I feel invincible..."
"but when I race from a roll it's hard to hit 2nd"

the reason people like neons? my neon weighs 2200 lbs, puts out close to 300HP(or did when it was up and running, its down for a few weeks) and another reason...its domestic

quote Originally posted by wicked93gs: the reason people like neons? my neon weighs 2200 lbs, puts out close to 300HP(or did when it was up and running, its down for a few weeks) and another reason...its domestic

Nothing personal but i think they are FUGLY, but thats my opinion and i'm entitled to it, just like everyone who likes the neons look is entitled to theirs. I wouldn't be so ANTI neon srt-4 if people didn't bow down before it. They get beat by one in their stock (or NAWZZZED ) 15+ year old fiero and instantly think if they want to go fast they need a SRT-4. Think outside the box people JESUS ! Rant off.

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"but when equipped with NOS, sometimes I feel invincible..."
"but when I race from a roll it's hard to hit 2nd"

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Ive got nothing against them, but you've got to look at it from more than one perspective, if you really want to compete

04 Neon SRT4 VS 88 Fiero GT
Speed SRT is faster
Cool Factor SRT looks like the 4 door grocery getter that my Grand mother drives SRT gets BLOWN out of the water
Looks Fiero is much sleaker agressive and just plain looks cool SRT looses again
Handling I dont have any info on the SRT4 but im guessing from the layout and weight distrubution it would fall short
Braking, While ABS would be nice in the snow it slows in aggressive driving in addition to te Fiero's 4Wdisk and better weight dist I would guess close if not Fiero coming out bettter
Cost ?? Anyone want to jump in here?
Class While we have our share of rice heads, I dont know any mid age car enthusiasts that want to restore and show thier dodge neon. SRT4 outclassed again (OH the pun!!)

Am I forgetting any categories?

The SRT-4 is a pretty cool car. Mopar is a pretty cool company, a mopar stage 3 upgrade and you are looking at 300WHP. The fiero really can't compete with the srt-4, the upgrades available for that car are insane.

Here is a "neon" with a T3/4 50 trim

412RWHP z06 vs 480RWHP rx7 vs SRT-4 T3/4 50 trim 23psi.
http://insomz.u72.finchhosting.com/insomz/srt4_rx7_z06.MPG

You can't bolt a turbo on a fiero and pull a ZO6 from a roll, sorry. I like the fiero and all, but it is not the end all sports car. I have to do a N* swap and modify it alot to play with the big boys. An SRT-4 owner goes and buys an upgrade kit, plug and play. I think they have the advantage.

http://www.digitalcorvettes.com/videos/ You have to be a registered member to view but you get the picture

Hey, I like vettes. But if you can't afford a Zo6 and have a family, for $25k you can have a neon that will roll a vette on the highway. Thats just cool.

Racing 101:

My friend who owns a Evolution 4 somthing said that a kid in a white Civic (backed-out rims) tried to race them on 280 hwy near the 92 exit. My friend didn't race him but another kid in a red Civic zoomed pass them did. The guy in the white Civic tried to give chase and did catch-up but didn't make the hard right exit smoothly and side-smacked the other guy in the red Civic. My friend didn't stop to find out who was gonna pay but, both were racing and thereby both are at fault.

My Friend who owns the Evolution said, why race them? His car is worth 30g's easily and the other guys Civics were old and cost 2g's or less?

madcurl, don't quite get what you mean. You think a vette shouldn't race a car 1/3 its value?

I dont know about keeping up with a vette, I was on a highway in penn and saw a vette screm by at 110+ "What the hell was tha...." ZOOOM a Z28 camaro screams by "O,, I see, lol cool" About 5 seconds later "rrrRRRRRRIIIIICCCCCEEEEE" A SRT4 comes ricing up fartcan screaming trying to catch up with the other two, it was pretty damn funny.

And if bolt ons are permitted, he can get his turbo upgrade or whatever, I'll just bolt in a 383 and tear him up and theres no bolting on the cool factor of a mid engine 2 seat sports car, nor is there anyway to make a 4 door neon a sports car. It will always be rice. Incidently we're really not even comparing apples. You should technicaly take a 4th year neon, which I believe would be a 96 with its whopping 92 HP. lol Look at the 89 Fiero proto all aluminum 2.9 Turbo, or the 90 w/ 3.2 DOHC V6. The SRT4 is a far cry from the base model engine, which is basicaly what the 2.8V6 was. It was the biggest FWD V6 available in the 60* platform at the time. Too bad the grand national never came into the picture lol Then we'd have apples to apples

quote Originally posted by crzyone: madcurl, don't quite get what you mean. You think a vette shouldn't race a car 1/3 its value?

Sorry I didn't read the previous threads but was relating a crazy story about the two Civics and a Evolution. It sound similar to the SRT Neon being spanked by two Fieros.

However, should a Vette race a car 1/3 it's value? Yeah, from light to light and up to the speed limit.....maybe? A guy who owns a new 2005 Z06 ain't really gonna dog his 70g's car out...it ain't paid for and has too much too loose. Nor will someone who owns a Ferrari in most cases especially if the guy is older. Their too busy tring to look good. The ones that do go "all-out" usually take it to the track and then kill themselves.

Usually it is the young who like to race in any car they have or don't own. The cheaper the car...the more likelyhood he/she somehow has to prove something.

Edit; example of those who killed themselves: $400,000 car trashed + 2 lives = stupid.
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/033830.html

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quote Originally posted by DelawareFiero: Im calling a SRT4 is a 13 second car stock. (jacks off vigorously) No way the ALL MIGHTY SRT could lose if the guy knew what he was doing. Heres a nice vid of a POS talon thinking it had what it took against the SRT4. (still jacking) http://www.quadcitiesdsm.com/sean/sean/AnthonyVid.mpg imagine if that SRT4 was NAWZZZZ equipped. No Fiero would touch it. Race that SRT4 from a roll...the TRUE test of HP NHRA is thinking about starting to do that disclaimer: this was a sarcastic post, didnt want people to think Im brainwashed like someother 2 faced people here

Well I guess to clarify everything for you, if you've read Watts post on intercooling his Fiero, then you might get a broader respect for what this thread is about. It's quite impressive what he has done to his car and makes me want to find another Fiero and do the same.

In no way am I knocking the Fiero and it's capabilities, I'm just being realistic in saying that #'s wise it's close... I have no doubt in my mind that Watts probably has more auto mechanics and driving expirence in his index finger than some prep networking specialist who thinks his SRT is "da bomb."

I never said that racing from a roll is a true test of horsepower... but then again, if it isn't done at the track (I.E. flat surface, even playing field) then you really can't measure hp at all. It's been said time in and time out that Traction is always the issue when racing a FWD car, the SRT is no exception. Remove that barrier out of the way, and lets see what both cars can do...for fun. We're talking about apples and oranges, so enjoy that advantage. ( I still don't see what your video had anything to do with, well... anything.)

You seem to be the type of character that has to be different at "all costs" and can't seem to find any respect at all for a car gone popular because of the hp #'s you can pull out of it. I'm sure if GM were making the turbo 2.4L that Chrysler produces that you would be all over it like a monkey on a bananaman.

I want to say too that I feel sorry for the individuals on this forum who like to enjoy talking about Fieros, and other cars without confrontation... I've been here on and off since 2002 and it seems that there are alot more people here that enjoy "picking fights" rather than talking civily. Hopefully the old days come back where getting along isn't a rarity among few anymore.

Anyways, I hope to see more of Watts Fiero (keep upping that boost!)

Sean

quote Originally posted by DelawareFiero: Heres a nice vid of a POS talon thinking it had what it took against the SRT4. (still jacking) http://www.quadcitiesdsm.com/sean/sean/AnthonyVid.mpg

1) That is an eclipse, not a talon and given that the srt4 ran a 13.7 bone stock, the clutch in the ecipse was shot so it didnt let the car go into 4th gear, and the best to date out of the eclipse with a new clutch is a 14.3 I belive it did very well... if you listen very closely at the end of that video you can hear the driver of the srt-4 say "I think he might have won"

2) Dont even start on the whole "if my fiero had the prototype engine it would mop the floor with an srt-4" or the

quote Originally posted by DelawareFiero:Yes imports DO suck. This is a Fiero forum. The F%CKING car is 20 YRS OLD

BS you were spouting in an earlier thread, My car is "only" 13 years old but I have no problems going up against new srt-4's, mustangs, or f-bodies... If you cant hang then thats your problem...

While I dont really like srt-4's for the fact that thier FWD, and ugly I doubt 90% of the fieros on here would be able to touch one even in stock form.

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There is no replacement for: AWD, high rpm's and very very big turbo's

quote Originally posted by 86GT3.4DOHC: You should technicaly take a 4th year neon, which I believe would be a 96 with its whopping 92 HP. lol Look at the 89 Fiero proto all aluminum 2.9 Turbo, or the 90 w/ 3.2 DOHC V6. The SRT4 is a far cry from the base model engine, which is basicaly what the 2.8V6 was. It was the biggest FWD V6 available in the 60* platform at the time. Too bad the grand national never came into the picture lol Then we'd have apples to apples

A stock 1st gen neon is 135hp. Thats about the same as a fiero GT plus they only weigh 2200-2300lbs. My wife has a 95 neon that she will not sell. They are peppy little cars. The 1st gen R/T neons are 150hp.

The SRT-4 is 230-240whp stock. If you don't think thats impressive, take one for a test drive. They are potent little cars. My fiero with its 3.4dohc might win a 60 foot race from a dead stop, but anything after that and my fiero would have been killed.

Here is a stage 2 upgrade for the SRT-4. Its basically just larger injectors and a new pcm. For a measly $1500 you get 280hp and 300lb/ft. This would be enough to hang with a northstar fiero.
http://www.mopar.com/street/products_srt4_stage2.htm

You guys have to give credit where credit is due. The SRT is a fast, and personally, I love the way it looks.

quote Originally posted by Leafy: Well I guess to clarify everything for you, if you've read Watts post on intercooling his Fiero, then you might get a broader respect for what this thread is about. It's quite impressive what he has done to his car and makes me want to find another Fiero and do the same. In no way am I knocking the Fiero and it's capabilities, I'm just being realistic in saying that #'s wise it's close... I have no doubt in my mind that Watts probably has more auto mechanics and driving expirence in his index finger than some prep networking specialist who thinks his SRT is "da bomb." I never said that racing from a roll is a true test of horsepower... but then again, if it isn't done at the track (I.E. flat surface, even playing field) then you really can't measure hp at all. It's been said time in and time out that Traction is always the issue when racing a FWD car, the SRT is no exception. Remove that barrier out of the way, and lets see what both cars can do...for fun. We're talking about apples and oranges, so enjoy that advantage. ( I still don't see what your video had anything to do with, well... anything.) You seem to be the type of character that has to be different at "all costs" and can't seem to find any respect at all for a car gone popular because of the hp #'s you can pull out of it. I'm sure if GM were making the turbo 2.4L that Chrysler produces that you would be all over it like a monkey on a bananaman. I want to say too that I feel sorry for the individuals on this forum who like to enjoy talking about Fieros, and other cars without confrontation... I've been here on and off since 2002 and it seems that there are alot more people here that enjoy "picking fights" rather than talking civily. Hopefully the old days come back where getting along isn't a rarity among few anymore. Anyways, I hope to see more of Watts Fiero (keep upping that boost!) Sean

I agree with you bro, I was making fun of the pocketbook hottrodders. You know the people who go out and BUY a fast car and thinks its the best thing since sliced bread. Ya know, kinda like vette owners.
Yes that Fiero is awesome and Id love to see pics and hear mre about it

I think the SRT-4 is a fast but terribly junky dodge. Not the first one I'd describe like that. BTW, I had a Plymouth laser Turbo/AWD. It was really neat, until the timing belt had to be replaced ($600) at 50K miles and the turbo started dying a horrible death at 63K. This piece of diamond star crap will do the same thing.

quote Originally posted by crzyone: A stock 1st gen neon is 135hp. Thats about the same as a fiero GT plus they only weigh 2200-2300lbs. My wife has a 95 neon that she will not sell. They are peppy little cars. The 1st gen R/T neons are 150hp. The SRT-4 is 230-240whp stock. If you don't think thats impressive, take one for a test drive. They are potent little cars. My fiero with its 3.4dohc might win a 60 foot race from a dead stop, but anything after that and my fiero would have been killed. Here is a stage 2 upgrade for the SRT-4. Its basically just larger injectors and a new pcm. For a measly $1500 you get 280hp and 300lb/ft. This would be enough to hang with a northstar fiero. http://www.mopar.com/street/products_srt4_stage2.htm You guys have to give credit where credit is due. The SRT is a fast, and personally, I love the way it looks.

I have no problem giving credit where credit is due. My issue is the same issue you have with Fiero owners thinking that their sh!t dont stink. Thats all.
Yeah its impressive for a factory car, hell its cool that its under the dodge name. But the people and kids around here attitude about it I guess turns me off. Maybe I shoulda been a little clearer in my post.

well, since I seem to be the only neon owner here...let me clarify, my neon is NOT an SRT 4, its a 98 sport model, it just has a 2.4L turbo swap, as far as speed, the SRT wins hands down(we'll talk stock for stock here) as far as looks go...the SRT does look agressive...but I think the fiero looks better(those with aero kits anyway) but as far as bang for the buck SRT rules again, I personally like the fact that my car looks ugly and like a regular old neon...makes it much more sleeper than a SRT, now as far as handling...just because its FWD doesnt mean it cant handle, from all I have read they do pretty damn good on a road course(beating some much higher class RWD cars) I find it funny people get pissed of and jealous of the SRT just because dodge made a quick, cheap car that can toast cars that cost twice as much with a few simple bolt ons, no, I personally hate SRTs....but thats because its 90% of the time reformed Hondaphiles who buy one, then turn up their nose at the older neons(2.4T swap or not) just because its not a SRT4, when they have never cracked a head bolt themselves(I have personally rebuilt 3 different 2.4L, rebuilt 2 NA motors for turbocharging and one actual SRT that I just got done w/ this weekend, all in all its is VERY good and capable motor and have been considering a swap into a fiero, but I only have one fiero and its getting a DOHC v6 swap) In other words I hate them because they are bought up by mechanically inept people(again for the most part) who think they are gods because they had some shop install a stage 1 or 2 or 3 kit, not to mention they are so damned common...I will never buy one, I love the motors, hate the cars. But it is nice to see them put in their place. The main reason I like Fieros and their owners better is for the most part we are mechanically inclined....and you can do so much more with a Fiero than ANY other car, period....easy enough to make it really quick, and we are much more uncommon....now I just need to finish my engine/tranny swap and turbocharge it to join the ranks of quick fiero owners....an iron duke/auto just doesnt cut it for me anymore...heh, my turbo neon addicted me to speed

quote Originally posted by wicked93gs: In other words I hate them because they are bought up by mechanically inept people(again for the most part) who think they are gods because they had some shop install a stage 1 or 2 or 3 kit, not to mention they are so damned common. and you can do so much more with a Fiero than ANY other car, period.

Wish I could said it better myself.

Id like more info on your 2.4L Turbo swap. Whats in running in the 1/4? any future mods?? Or just concentrating on your Fiero?

"I think the SRT-4 is a fast but terribly junky dodge. Not the first one I'd describe like that. BTW, I had a Plymouth laser Turbo/AWD. It was really neat, until the timing belt had to be replaced ($600) at 50K miles and the turbo started dying a horrible death at 63K. This piece of diamond star crap will do the same thing."

umm, just to let you know...you can replace a timing belt yourself in roughly 3 hours, also...those are great cars...as long as proper maitenance is performed...and a turbo and/or t-belt is no big deal, but you do have to be mechanically inclined to easily own any high performance car(or prepared to have a lot of shop time) you want reliability buy a camry