Just a thought - or maybe a wild haired idea. Think of a late model 5.7L hemi in a Fiero. Close your eyes and use your imagination. Is it a bad dream that could never be done or is there anyone out there that has started this project?
Kenny Hydock Suffolk, VA 1987 GT 4.9L 1896 GT 3.4L work in progess (It took a ride around the block today!)
Hey whatever floats your boat. I dont think mopar and pontiac is a good mix. Kinda like that joker that wanted to put a Neon SRT set up in a Fiero. I mean why taint such a awesome car like the fiero with stuff like that.
Hey whatever floats your boat. I dont think mopar and pontiac is a good mix. Kinda like that joker that wanted to put a Neon SRT set up in a Fiero. I mean why taint such a awesome car like the fiero with stuff like that.
But hey if you like it who cares right?
later
When I think Neon SRT I see "RICE" - When I think Hemi I see "Muscle!" Since I am an old-school enthusiast that grew up with my 67 and 69 Barracudas I still have a thing for Mopar power. Stuff like a Neon SRT doesn't do anything for me. But the thought of all that torque in the way of a hemi fitted into a Fiero makes the blood rush! The big obstacle would be what transmission to mate the block to!
Check out my new sig! My son "threw" this together for me this evening!
------------------ Kenny Hydock Suffolk, VA
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TD37 Member
Posts: 746 From: Howards Grove, Wisconsin Registered: Jan 2004
Yeah a Hemi Fiero would be very very very awesome, but the Hemi is a BIG engine. I'm not really on the exact dimensions but I would guess its close to the size of a BBC. I guess anythings possible if you mount it lengthwize and not sideways but of course you can do almost any motor that way. Plus money can solve any challenge haha.
A srt4 would woop up on even a heavily modfied 60 degree v6 so its not rice by any means. But I guess it would be funny to come home beaten by rice huh? What would that make your car then huh? I guess slower then rice. Thats pretty bad from what I understand
And why is that just because we own fieros people think of any and every different kind of engine to swap into this car? I mean you dont' see Dodge owners wondering if they can swap a chevy engine into their car. keep it simple stupid. Install a v8 that has been proven to work for 20 years now. Not something that noone else has done before if you want a v8. A SBC can make more power then a hemi.
Too many dreamers here.
Swaps I haev seen recently brought up by dreamers with no money.
SRT4 swap. hemi swap, Jjz-GTE thats a mk4 supra motor Viper motor 351 ford motor
and the list goes on. Just stick to GM motors. they have every type of powerplant you could do and do it with a fiero tranny.
SH
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Pick up the bone phone Fred Flinstone and call George Jetson. Get Cable, DSL, or something.... Opinions are like ‘The Punisher” everyone has one ™
Punisher your an idiot, to bad you already have a negative. Yes a SRT could whip a heavily modified 60 V6, put that same turbo on my 3.1 hell I could whip a few things myself, yes you can get power cheaply, but see people would just rather come up with unique ideas and be the first or one of the few to have/use them. Someone had to come up with the idea of a 3.8. Some people just can't settle with the idea of putting Nitrous Oxide on their car and call it a day. It comes down to preference, yeah maybe your rebuilt POS with NOS could put up a fight or kill a nice V6, and yes maybe you spent a couple grand less then him. Its more then just how cheap you can build. It all comes down to preference and how you want your car to look and sound.
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Posts: 2326 From: Florida Keys Registered: Oct 2003
For this kind of money, the best bet would be an LS6. Of course you will have no choice but to use an auto. But , with 405hp from a stock 200,000 + mile engine. I dont think it much matters. My quess would be easy 11's from a stock engine that will last and make people go, WOW.
I second that. Its a sweet engine for sure but it should probibly stay in a mopar. For the price of a new crate hemi you may be able to find a used LT5 and swap it in. Not only is it even cooler than the hemi, it'll be the 1st one in a fiero that I know of. Archie has one, not sure if he ever plans on installing it.
I wouldn't start rating people negative that speak their mind, wether you agree with him or not.
Bah...When I think of Fiero I think DON"T think of a muscle car. I think the LT5, 3.4 DOHC, Quad4, 3.5 S*, and the N* fit the cars personality the best. The LTx and LSx engines are pretty cool too. The Fiero after all is sports car not a muscle car.
If you absolutely must have a muscled out Fiero, just get an Archie kit and a crate engine or a 3800sc. I just don't think the Hemi is a good match, but my opinion is pretty much worthless.
About the comment that a hemi won't produce as much power as an SBC.
That is just plain ignorance. Hemi's were outlawed by NASCAR in the 60's because they could produce power which was seen as an unfair advantage on the track. (Read the history)
A hemi engine will produce easily as much power as an SBC and streetable too. Inch for inch, they are pretty impressive engines.
I agree the size and bolt patterns are big issues, and you pretty much need to do some measuring and fabricating to make it happen.
BTW, why not dream a big dream. Sometimes they happen.
Alright the question of the day: If you want a MUSCLE car, why bother buying a mid-engine SPORTS car? I do understand that a car owner is entitled to do with his car as he wishes, but it still doesn't make sense.
It seems like part of it is in the word itself. If I walked into the local bar during the Jeff Foxworthy-moustache-look-alike-hour and said, "Hemi!" I guarantee about 5-15 rednecks would all get pup tents in their pants and grunt "hemi!", with constipated smiles on their faces. Ever see the Goo Bag episode of South Park? “They took rrrrrrr jawbz!” "Too-kourderb!" That’s all I can picture, it’s like people say it to hear themselves say it. It's like ricers and the word B18, every sentence is peppered with the liberal use of the word B18.
So at risk of getting another neg, why? What’s the advantage to adding an engine that will mess up handling, cost a Sh!T load of cash, consume loads of time, and perform no better than a modded SBC or 3800?
"'Cuda! Hemi! 'Cuda 'cuda, hemi 'cuda!" - I guess I just don't speak the language.
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Posts: 4413 From: 75762/Texas/USA Registered: Dec 2003
I guess it is easy to misinterpret someone's comments and opinions. I did not intent ro slam "rice" when I stated it in my previos post - just stating my opinion that I think the Neon falls in that catagory. I really think it is great that teens and adults can share the same interest when it comes to cars and performance. All you dads and moms who have teens think of how you and your teen(s) interact - trying to find a common interest isn't always an easy task - I am glad my son and I have that common interest - even if his Fiero sits lower than mine!
In my day it was "muscle" - today it is "rice". Street performance has alway been a common link between teens and adults - some of you adults thank back when you were a teen and looked at the early Mopars, Chevys, Fords etc. and think of what went through your mind. Today's teens look at todays Hondas Nessans Toyotas, Neons, Cavaliers, Focus etc. and think small, lightweight cars that have bolt-on performance available over the counter - and lets not forget their smarts when it comes to the computer side of tuning. I can take a naturally aspirated V8 in a 69 Chevy and make it sing - but don't ask me to do any computer tuning - that's what we have folks like Rockcrawl around for. And I have to admit that I have been beaten by a NOS Honda. I meant no disrespect in my "rice" statement and had no intention of starting a comparison between today and old school hot rodding. My thought was to get some ideas on the hemi-to-fiero conversion. So can we take this conversation back to what the the original post was about?
The Mopar Small Block is 1" narrower than the Chevy V8. At 29.5", they are 2" longer than the Chevy counterpart. The longer water pumps on the engines contribute to the overall length of the motor, and care should be taken to allow for this. But if you used an electric pump I dont think it will matter. The Mopar’s beat the conventional Chevy V8 by 25 lbs.
Now does anyone know of a front wheel drive tranny that will bolt to one I was looking at modular bell housings but for the money an adapter plate would be cheaper to make.
btw if someone wanted to do a 2JZ-GTE(not Jjz-gte) swap or a 1JZ-GTE, which is a 2.5L I-6 Twin Turbo used int he MkIII supra in Japan, swap i think they would have to lengthen the frame by about 4 billion feet since that is an EXTREMLY long motor, but if you really wanted im sure you could do it. it would probably be better to try it with a 2JZ-GE, Non-Turbo, first because you can get those for cheap compared to the 7-9k for the TT engine.
SRT-4 Swap... i think it could be done but would require pretty much swapping the front clip of a neon onto the back of a fiero and a TON of custom mounts. oh and the SRT-4 is def. NOT rice. rice is a civic w/ wing and fart cannon and other stupid stuff that thinks its fast. the srt is fast out of the box.
Hemi Swap.... as long as you had an adapter plate made i think this would work fine. maybe use the porsche transaxle.
Viper Motor.... now this is just silly
351W Ford... just like they did in the 70's 80's 90's im sure you can buy an adapter plate to fit from any ford to any gm bolt pattern.
i dont think that the import scene should be classified as rice... it should be called Imports because RICE is a term used by most to "hate" or "bash" someone's ride or them as a person.
Alright the question of the day: If you want a MUSCLE car, why bother buying a mid-engine SPORTS car? I do understand that a car owner is entitled to do with his car as he wishes, but it still doesn't make sense.
Really? Even if the person always wanted a Fiero but with MUSCLE?
Alright the question of the day: If you want a MUSCLE car, why bother buying a mid-engine SPORTS car? I do understand that a car owner is entitled to do with his car as he wishes, but it still doesn't make sense.
So at risk of getting another neg, why? What’s the advantage to adding an engine that will mess up handling, cost a Sh!T load of cash, consume loads of time, and perform no better than a modded SBC or 3800?
Personally I want a sports car and not a road monster. But.... the Fiero is so perfectly laid out for weight transfer I fully understand if a guy wants to turn it into a 1/4 miler. And I don't think really big hp is incompatible with handling. It is all a matter of weight/suspension. Look at the old CanAm racing series. Those guys had 1000+ hp in some of their cars and they were road racing.
I say go for what your heart tells you. If you want a firebreathing hemi-head monster, go for it.
Personally, I'm satisfied with a whole lot less.
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Ken001 Member
Posts: 54 From: Suffolk, VA, USA Registered: Dec 2003
So with the right tranny to mate to the hemi and a fat bank $$account$$ - lots of time and patience - anything can be done. Would be more fun than an episode of Monster Garage!
Close your eyes again - and imagine - a 5.7L hemi, built to the hilt, fully blown - barely street legal - professionally installed in a Fiero - only allowed to come out and play at night!
The Fiero - a sports car - with muscle! Sounds like a Corvette ................ Oh! wait - how many Fieros with a V8 are running around out there ................. Right! lots of them - so there are already Fieros with muscle. But please don't take this as a put down to anything with 4 or 6 cylinders - everyone has their own thing - my thing happens to be a second childhood with my Fiero toy.
Have a great weekend - mine is a wet one thanks to "Ivan the Terrible"!
------------------ Kenny Hydock Suffolk, VA
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Posts: 20784 From: Orlando, FL Registered: Dec 2002
426 hemi? Kinda big.Not real practical. I'm sure can be done and i would certainly admire it but wow. So many better choices.
Also i think you can make more power with a hemi than a 454 BB chevy.Some one said otherwise in previous post. Stock for stock the 426 is a tougher block than a 454.
I say do it and post some pics.We won't stop you.As long as your footing the bill i'll cheer you on.But only if i get to drive it after.
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Posts: 1352 From: Space Coast, Florida Registered: Jun 2001
Well if we are talking "what if" ... Why not use a tranny out of the early '70's eldorado bolted to that big block V8 I saw last season on Horse Power TV. The one that made the 502 look small. It was built first for the off shore racing seen. It had something like 1000hp and 1000lb / ft. and that isn't even counting the blower that you would just have to have coming out above the roof . By the way it uses a big block chev bolt pattern. The engine can be bought for $40,000.oo US. and it has its own stand alone computer to run the fuel injection. I am starting to shake so .......
my hemi to getrag mounting plate just came in today and I test fitted it to the engine. Its fits perfectly. The engine will be going in tomorrow. Pics shortly to follow.
I believe I will have this motor fired up sometime early next week. Just have a few more little things to add.
motor is from a 03 Dodge Ram. this thing should move with all the tq it has.
my hemi to getrag mounting plate just came in today and I test fitted it to the engine. Its fits perfectly. The engine will be going in tomorrow. Pics shortly to follow.
I believe I will have this motor fired up sometime early next week. Just have a few more little things to add.
motor is from a 03 Dodge Ram. this thing should move with all the tq it has.
I will keep everyone updated.
SH
Sorry if this is a terribly stupid question, but are you for real? I just skimmed the thread after the first few posts, so I'm not sure if you're serious or sarcastic.
Hemi... mmmMMMMmmm ...I'd love one in my Fiero! What's wrong with dreaming?
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Posts: 49601 From: A Western Caribbean Island/ Columbus, Ohio Registered: Apr 99
Ive got my hemi Magnum and Fiero in the garage. It wont fit. not a chance unless you go longways or stretch the frame. Even Dodge who builds them dont offer them with anything but the bulletproof Mercedes automatic. So any Fiero tranny would be a waste of time. The 6.1 supercharged hemi coming out in the spring has over 400 hp stock. Ive had many old hemis 315 ci-426 ci, and I can say that the new one feels nearly as strong running as the big ones and with 5 times the gas milage. The older ones laid more rubber because they had 6 inch wide bias tires and weighed 1,000 pnds more. My Magnum dont have any big problem laying rubber as much as id like. I had quite a few big old hemis that didnt have as much horsepower. Had a 426 cuda with 345 rated, Magun has 340. Theres also quite a bit more potential in hot rodding a hemi. 392 hemi (what most START with ) drag cars get thousands of horsepower, not hundreds.
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intlcutlass Member
Posts: 1431 From: Cleveland,Oh.44067 Registered: Nov 2002
The 6.1 supercharged hemi coming out in the spring has over 400 hp stock.
Roger, I just read about the new 6.1 hemi and its 425hp naturally aspirated. They upped the compression, a bunch of head work to get it to flow better and punched it out. All chrysler needs is a 6 speed transmission to hook it to
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crzyone Member
Posts: 3571 From: Alberta, Canada Registered: Dec 2000
Here ya go, I even scanned it. Different charger concept as well. Much different than the one on Car and Driver's front page. May be alittle hard to read, had to resize it pretty small.
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pokeyfiero Member
Posts: 16233 From: Free America! Registered: Dec 2003
my hemi to getrag mounting plate just came in today and I test fitted it to the engine. Its fits perfectly. The engine will be going in tomorrow. Pics shortly to follow.
I believe I will have this motor fired up sometime early next week. Just have a few more little things to add.
motor is from a 03 Dodge Ram. this thing should move with all the tq it has.
I will keep everyone updated.
SH
What hemi are you speaking of,Heck i think toyota makes a hemispherical engine. I'd like to see you put in a 426 hemi/425 hp@5000rpm w 490lb-ft torque @ 4000rpm and thats stock.Might need some tougher axles if the tranny doesn't start spinning in place first.
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crzyone Member
Posts: 3571 From: Alberta, Canada Registered: Dec 2000
What hemi are you speaking of,Heck i think toyota makes a hemispherical engine. I'd like to see you put in a 426 hemi/425 hp@5000rpm w 490lb-ft torque @ 4000rpm and thats stock.Might need some tougher axles if the tranny doesn't start spinning in place first.
03 dodge ram as stated in my post. Its installed. Og thtat finished today. Just have to finish routing some fuel and coolant lines. should be fired up next week.
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pokeyfiero Member
Posts: 16233 From: Free America! Registered: Dec 2003
03 dodge ram as stated in my post. Its installed. Og thtat finished today. Just have to finish routing some fuel and coolant lines. should be fired up next week.
What a dork i didn't even read that part.I need glasses.True i really do need glasses.
How much money you got into this swap.
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crzyone Member
Posts: 3571 From: Alberta, Canada Registered: Dec 2000
