well my 88 formula took on a older porshe and it stomped the porshe from stop light to stop light i dont know what was up but the look on the guys face when he made it up to the light was eorth the thrill of burning gas and if i only had a camera as his jaw was hanging

oh it has a 2.8 with a auto tranny

Was it a 914 or 924?

924 i think....it was in primer with no markings

A 10-speed Schwin should easily take an old 924...those are dogs. Barely 100hp in a 2400lb car? Not much excitement there... they handle really well though!

Oh, it's spelled "Porsche", by the way.

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1986 Fiero GT
1969 Porsche 912

If you check the statistics -- a new Porsche 924 ran 0-60 in 7.8, and 1/4 mile in 15.8; ever so slightly faster than an 88 Fiero Formula. So I'm not so sure the Schwinn analogy was very polite to our fearless Fiero's.

Fiero1969 for the record I highly doubt that you kicked the Porsche driver's a$$ unless:

a. Your Fiero has been severely modded

b. You had a much stronger tail-wind

c. He wasn't even trying to race with you

d. You were having an excellent dream

I also own a 1988 Fiero GT Auto and had my a$$ recently handed to me on a platter by a Subaru Outback Station Wagon.

Thank-you

1st off i never said a new....i said a old model....and he was racing as the tires broke loose on his and mine only chirped for about a foot as i got big meets on mine 225/60/15 and i luanched and had him for lunch ne way i wont knock my formula as she is good and who knows the junk porsche may have had engine problems as was his excuse

quote Originally posted by Garethster: If you check the statistics -- a new Porsche 924 ran 0-60 in 7.8, and 1/4 mile in 15.8; ever so slightly faster than an 88 Fiero Formula. So I'm not so sure the Schwinn analogy was very polite to our fearless Fiero's. Fiero1969 for the record I highly doubt that you kicked the Porsche driver's a$$ unless: a. Your Fiero has been severely modded b. You had a much stronger tail-wind c. He wasn't even trying to race with you d. You were having an excellent dream I also own a 1988 Fiero GT Auto and had my a$$ recently handed to me on a platter by a Subaru Outback Station Wagon. Thank-you

quote Originally posted by Garethster: If you check the statistics -- a new Porsche 924 ran 0-60 in 7.8, and 1/4 mile in 15.8; ever so slightly faster than an 88 Fiero Formula. So I'm not so sure the Schwinn analogy was very polite to our fearless Fiero's. Fiero1969 for the record I highly doubt that you kicked the Porsche driver's a$$ unless: a. Your Fiero has been severely modded b. You had a much stronger tail-wind c. He wasn't even trying to race with you d. You were having an excellent dream I also own a 1988 Fiero GT Auto and had my a$$ recently handed to me on a platter by a Subaru Outback Station Wagon. Thank-you

An 87/88 Porsche 924S (944 drivetrain, by the way) ran times like you quote (my wife has an 87, it's a lot of fun) but an old 924 (77-82 in North America) ran times of 0-60: 10.6 seconds, 1/4 mile: 17.6 seconds @ 78.0mph. (Numbers from Road & Track, circa 1980). An automatic 2.8L GT should easily be able to smoke one of these cars. Next time, check your facts. Bart's a$$ back at ya!

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1986 Pontiac Fiero GT
1969 Porsche 912

If it was a 4 cyl Porsche he could have spanked him no problem.
I have a co-worker who owns a few Porsches and his daily driver is nice but the 4 cyl in that thing is no match for even the 4 cyl in any of our Fieros. By the time he gets it up to speed he can just forget about it.

I agree if the 4 cylinder Porsche is a stock 912, 914 or an early 924. If it's a 924 Turbo, 924S, 944, 944S, 968 or 944 Turbo, it's going to put the hurt on your Fiero really bad. The 924S and 944 are on par with a well running V6 GT, but the rest will run away from you... fast.

On my first Fiero, but my third Porsche....

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[This message has been edited by exc911ence (edited 04-24-2004).]

quote Originally posted by Fiero5: If it was a 4 cyl Porsche he could have spanked him no problem. I have a co-worker who owns a few Porsches and his daily driver is nice but the 4 cyl in that thing is no match for even the 4 cyl in any of our Fieros. By the time he gets it up to speed he can just forget about it.

yea gonna have to disagree with you on that one...my dad owns an '84 944...4 cyl like they all were. It would spank any fiero with a 4cyl any day. If driven full out, it could take on a v6 fiero. The 944's came stock with around 140 hp, and that's not even the S version...those guys were monsters. 92 hp from a fiero 4 cyl aint gonna cut it...the porsche has it beat buddy...

-Coop

I dont' understand how a semi stock or even a stock formula with an auto tranny can chirp the tires with 225 tires on the back. I have never been in a 2.8 fiero auto tranny that has chirped the tires off the line except the ones that had some sort of forced induction on it. All of them have just hooked. Even when power breaking.

Even so an old porsche is nothing really to brag about. Especially when only racing to 60 mph. thats not even a race. Go run down some lt-1's or an ls1 and then come back. I will pat you on the back then.

JM

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2002 Mini (autocross car)
2004 WRX (daily driver)
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you know this is a fiero forum not a porsche forum. and if any fiero can whoop on any porsche well i say congrats fiero1969. Oh yeah me and my 85gt got smoked by a ford power stroke, but who cars i looked better getting beat then he did winning, i don't care if he was pullling a bass boat or not.... -gary-

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quote Originally posted by Coop9200: yea gonna have to disagree with you on that one...my dad owns an '84 944...4 cyl like they all were. It would spank any fiero with a 4cyl any day. If driven full out, it could take on a v6 fiero. The 944's came stock with around 140 hp, and that's not even the S version...those guys were monsters. 92 hp from a fiero 4 cyl aint gonna cut it...the porsche has it beat buddy... -Coop

Well, I have raced a 4 cyl porsche with a 4 cyl Fiero and I kicked it's butt.
And I wouldn't call 140 hp a monster, though I agree it does "sound" impressive compared to the "listed" number on paper for the duke.
Some numbers are all well good on paper, but sometimes on the street they don't mean much when lookin' at who actually crosses the quarter mile finish line first

i agree about the #'s....but for a 4 cyl, it's still decent compared to our "faithful" dukie...also seeing how this was porsche's economy car back in the 1980s...and what really matters when it all comes down to it is the driver...some people just can't drive even depending on the car. I got a friend who races SCCA and he's taking 1st place over vette's and vipers (stock) and he's in his nissan sentra SER spec v...just depends on the driver

quote Originally posted by exc911ence: An 87/88 Porsche 924S (944 drivetrain, by the way) ran times like you quote (my wife has an 87, it's a lot of fun) but an old 924 (77-82 in North America) ran times of 0-60: 10.6 seconds, 1/4 mile: 17.6 seconds @ 78.0mph. (Numbers from Road & Track, circa 1980). An automatic 2.8L GT should easily be able to smoke one of these cars. Next time, check your facts. Bart's a$$ back at ya!

I agree. Again, for the record:

1968 Porsche 911 Sportomatic 10.3 17.3
1970 Porsche 914 13.9 19.2
1973 Porsche 914 S 10.5 17.0
1973 Porsche 914 12.5 18.1
1974 Porsche 914 2.0 8.9 16.7
1976 Porsche 924 12.6 18.5
1977 Porsche 928 6.7 15.2
1978 Porsche 928 7.0 N/A
1979 Porsche 930 Turbo 5.0 N/A
1980 Porsche 928 7.4 15.8
1980 Porsche 924 Turbo 9.3 17.0
1980 Porsche 924 S 9.8 17.1
1980 Porsche 924 10.6 N/A
1981 Porsche 911 SC 6.7 N/A
1982 Porsche 928 8.1 N/A
1982 Porsche 944 8.3 N/A
1982 Porsche 924 Turbo 9.2 N/A
1983 Porsche 911 SC Cabrio 7.0 15.5
1984 Porsche 911 Carrera 6.2 14.6
1984 Porsche 928 S 7.0 15.4
1984 Porsche 944 9.0 16.4
1985 Porsche 928 S 5.9 14.2
1986 Porsche 911 Turbo 5.0 13.4
1986 Porsche 911 Cabriolet 5.7 14.3
1986 Porsche 944 Turbo 6.0 14.6
1986 Porsche 928 S 6.3 14.7
1986 Porsche 944 8.9 16.6
1987 Porsche 928 S4 5.5 13.9
1987 Porsche 924 S 7.8 15.8
1988 Porsche 944 Turbo S 5.5 14.2
1988 Porsche 944 Turbo 6.6 15.1
1988 Porsche 944 S 8.0 16.2
1988 Porsche 924 S 8.5 16.4
1988 Porsche 944 8.7 16.6

If indeed you could 'smoke' a Porsche, it would have to be a 1976 924, and on that basis I'd say the race would be a very uneven match. So why bother posting? Fiero's and Porsches are very different cars and not really in the same league. Don't get me wrong, I love my Fiero, and it's nice to dream of the potential this car had, but a Porsche-beater it's not.

I remember reading a Fiero book that mentioned a very modified Fiero development mule that had a taillight panel that read "PORSCHE EATER" instead of "PONTIAC". Anyone else remember that car?

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1986 Pontiac Fiero GT
1969 Porsche 912

70% is driver 30% is car...
good kill...

Fiero vs. Porsche......... WRX vs. Skyline

Its all about the skills of the driver... you could have the fastest car in the world and you could still get your doors blown off by a better driver...

I'm not taking sides either way just dont doubt what you dont understand...
So what the Porsche's test faster... if you dont know how to drive it you might as well be in a honda

quote Originally posted by Garethster: I agree. Again, for the record: 1968 Porsche 911 Sportomatic 10.3 17.3 1970 Porsche 914 13.9 19.2 1973 Porsche 914 S 10.5 17.0 1973 Porsche 914 12.5 18.1 1974 Porsche 914 2.0 8.9 16.7 1976 Porsche 924 12.6 18.5 1977 Porsche 928 6.7 15.2 1978 Porsche 928 7.0 N/A 1979 Porsche 930 Turbo 5.0 N/A 1980 Porsche 928 7.4 15.8 1980 Porsche 924 Turbo 9.3 17.0 1980 Porsche 924 S 9.8 17.1 1980 Porsche 924 10.6 N/A 1981 Porsche 911 SC 6.7 N/A 1982 Porsche 928 8.1 N/A 1982 Porsche 944 8.3 N/A 1982 Porsche 924 Turbo 9.2 N/A 1983 Porsche 911 SC Cabrio 7.0 15.5 1984 Porsche 911 Carrera 6.2 14.6 1984 Porsche 928 S 7.0 15.4 1984 Porsche 944 9.0 16.4 1985 Porsche 928 S 5.9 14.2 1986 Porsche 911 Turbo 5.0 13.4 1986 Porsche 911 Cabriolet 5.7 14.3 1986 Porsche 944 Turbo 6.0 14.6 1986 Porsche 928 S 6.3 14.7 1986 Porsche 944 8.9 16.6 1987 Porsche 928 S4 5.5 13.9 1987 Porsche 924 S 7.8 15.8 1988 Porsche 944 Turbo S 5.5 14.2 1988 Porsche 944 Turbo 6.6 15.1 1988 Porsche 944 S 8.0 16.2 1988 Porsche 924 S 8.5 16.4 1988 Porsche 944 8.7 16.6 If indeed you could 'smoke' a Porsche, it would have to be a 1976 924, and on that basis I'd say the race would be a very uneven match. So why bother posting? Fiero's and Porsches are very different cars and not really in the same league. Don't get me wrong, I love my Fiero, and it's nice to dream of the potential this car had, but a Porsche-beater it's not.

Those numbers are all well and good but posting the numbers for just one model of Porsche wouldn't be any different that if someone posted say just the numbers for all the Mustangs with a V8. Now of course, not all Mustangs thru the years had V8's now did they?

quote Originally posted by Shade: 70% is driver 30% is car... good kill... Fiero vs. Porsche......... WRX vs. Skyline Its all about the skills of the driver... you could have the fastest car in the world and you could still get your doors blown off by a better driver... I'm not taking sides either way just dont doubt what you dont understand... So what the Porsche's test faster... if you dont know how to drive it you might as well be in a honda

G O O D K I L L --- M Y

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quote Originally posted by Garethster: I also own a 1988 Fiero GT Auto and had my a$$ recently handed to me on a platter by a Subaru Outback Station Wagon.

Dude, my gosh if your getting your butt handed to you by grandma in her Subaru Outback Station Wagon then you seriously need to do one if not all of these:
A) Get your engined tuned or replaced
B) Learn how to actually drive your car
C) Learn when to post and when to just stay away from the Reply button

Think you've made your point yet with using that bart gif over and over?
Once again we get to see at least one of the more intellegent forum members very helpfull and knowledgeable posts on here

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i agree with the drive thing because my 2 friends have a mr2 turbo and the other as a Supra n/a. the mr2 runs a 9.3 and the supra runs a 10.2 in the 1/8th mile. the guy with the mr2 has learned how to run his car and the guy with the supra is still learning when to shift and how to shift it so he is still about 3 tenths off pace of what he should be...

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i agree its the driver....im used to racing my old mustang gt thats how i blew my first engine in my formula i was dragraceing my friend he was in my mustang.....83 mustang gt 351c pushing close to 400 horse....im i new to racing no after 15 years of doing it from driving 4 bangers to v12 heck im a crazy yooper born and raised in upper michigan with a need for speed

quote Originally posted by Fiero5: Dude, my gosh if your getting your butt handed to you by grandma in her Subaru Outback Station Wagon then you seriously need to do one if not all of these: A) Get your engined tuned or replaced B) Learn how to actually drive your car C) Learn when to post and when to just stay away from the Reply button Think you've made your point yet with using that bart gif over and over? Once again we get to see at least one of the more intellegent forum members very helpfull and knowledgeable posts on here

Dude a outback wagon has AWD plus more hp then a stock 2.8 fiero. or even a semi modded fiero with bolts would still get beat by an outback. His loss is believeable.

What I dont' understand is that out of every car you seem to race in your Patty duke Fieros you always seem to win. SO you raced some old porsche and won. Big deal. They went through a gas crisis too and dropped hp by a ton as well. Why dont' you try racing some newer ones then come back here and tell us how you beat them too, in your duke equipped fiero.

JM

well geeeeee i believe most know that i dont have a guttlas duke and by my sig i think that looks like a 88 formula you want the vin to or even the clean car fax

look formula!!!!!dah
not to mention a duke would throw a rod trying to spin the tire that i have on the rear
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Like mentioned, I dont understand how a stock 2.8 auto will spin the tires racing from stop light to stop light.

But who cares. be carefull what you post people here are just waiting anylize and call BS on these type of threads.

Beating an old Porsche is not unbeleivable though.

quote Originally posted by Slammed Fiero: Dude a outback wagon has AWD plus more hp then a stock 2.8 fiero. or even a semi modded fiero with bolts would still get beat by an outback. His loss is believeable. What I dont' understand is that out of every car you seem to race in your Patty duke Fieros you always seem to win. SO you raced some old porsche and won. Big deal. They went through a gas crisis too and dropped hp by a ton as well. Why dont' you try racing some newer ones then come back here and tell us how you beat them too, in your duke equipped fiero. JM

His attitude is poor and my comment was at him, not you Slammed.
But since you decided to come on here and try and insult me and my Fieros, I have to say that I always enjoy it when someone comes along and to try and balance out their unasked for opinion of thiers they have to try and do so by putting words in my mouth.
I never said I beat everything I race, but I beat most things that I "decide" to race. See, I know who and what to race and who and what not to race. I know what I should be able to beat and what I can't beat and if I lose I lose. But some of you people seem to think that an iron duke is a piece of crap and can't even get out of it's own way which is very far from the truth.
And the day that I get beat by someone in a station wagon I might have to rethink what I drive LOL

Oh, and I like how now it was probably an

quote old porsche and won. Big deal. They went through a gas crisis too and dropped hp by a ton as well.

Too funny. I bet the Mustangs, Vettes and what not that everyone brags about beating on here all the time must all be shallow victories as well based on that very informative comment
And just for your info I have raced newer cars and the ones that I "chose" to race I did very well against with an iron duke thank you very much

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There was an Eddy Bauer edition Outback that could be ordered with a 200HP 3.0 flat 6. Even the stock 2.5 flat 4 has 165HP and is fairly quick.

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The Mitsu Evo's are 4 door and very very quick right off the show room floor. I wouldn't be dumb enough to take one on but I am still impressed with their power

quote Originally posted by Coop9200: yea gonna have to disagree with you on that one...my dad owns an '84 944...4 cyl like they all were. It would spank any fiero with a 4cyl any day. If driven full out, it could take on a v6 fiero. The 944's came stock with around 140 hp, and that's not even the S version...those guys were monsters. 92 hp from a fiero 4 cyl aint gonna cut it...the porsche has it beat buddy... -Coop

Coop, its 92 fiero hp though.....thats been known to hang with 300hp cars and take the fiero up to and beyond 125+ mph!!!!!

quote Originally posted by Fiero5: Too funny. I bet the Mustangs, Vettes and what not that everyone brags about beating on here all the time must all be shallow victories as well based on that very informative comment And just for your info I have raced newer cars and the ones that I "chose" to race I did very well against with an iron duke thank you very much

Bwahahahahahaha ones you choose to race? Bwahah you crack me up dude!

Lets see what can a patty duke fiero beat. Old aircooled volkswagons, Civic Dx's, and broken down patty duke fieros on the side of the road. Seems like you choose races you are 99.9% you will win. Just what is the fun in that?

Wow Steve, I bet you command respect in your town with your beast. I am sure "Jordans" beast is even faster.

JM

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1986 GT Northstar 5spd , direct port nitrous nprogress
2002 Mini (autocross car)
2004 WRX (daily driver)
www.geocites.com/morley_m/northstar.htm

quote Originally posted by Shade: 70% is driver 30% is car... good kill... Fiero vs. Porsche......... WRX vs. Skyline Its all about the skills of the driver... you could have the fastest car in the world and you could still get your doors blown off by a better driver... I'm not taking sides either way just dont doubt what you dont understand... So what the Porsche's test faster... if you dont know how to drive it you might as well be in a honda

And I suppose it's 70% driver when it's an automatic? Bwaha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-h!!!!!!
Laughing my off!!!!

Almost feel bad to be a member after reading this thread ../
You people are rude.

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Wow. A ***** slapping contest over which slow car is the fastest. Kinda like running that marathon in the special olympics, even if you win....Well, you know the drill.

Hey, can a duke be turbo'd to 600+ hp? http://www.lindseyracing.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&S tore_Code=LR&Category_Code=CUSTCARSBOBHOWARD

Didn't think so! How about this 944 throwing 331 RWHP to the ground? http://www.lindseyracing.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CT GY&Store_Code=LR&Category_Code=CUSTCARSARMONDCOMPTON

Also, I have a video courtesy of Porvette of a 944 killing a C-5 Corvette, acouple of Fbodies, a few mustangs, and a turbo Acura Integra. I'll send it to anyone who wishes to host or view it. IT IS 7mb though.

Fiero's are awesome, but the engines they came with are crap. That's why Archie has been in business so long.

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Notice how a few like to twist what some of us say to make some idiotic point that is not what any of us were saying to begin with. The point is that not all Porsches are all beasts that can desimate all. Some have quite a few miles on them and have gutless 4 cyl motors so they can be beat. I know, I have beaten one. Is it really that big of a deal. I don't think so and I don't go around bragging about it like it was the greatest kill to all mankind. If someone else wants to, then what of it. They were there, we were not and since it is not out of the realm of beleivability I for one would tend to beleive it. My posts in this thread were merely backing up the fact that it can be done for reasons allready stated.
I agree that Archie makes some sweet rides with his V8 conversions and if I had the spare disposable coinage I would certainly go for a massive LT1 conversion myself
But many of us don't right now, so we proudly live with what we, don't insult others for what they currently have. The street battles we pick are decided on based on what we have and then we live with the results.
However, don't try and tell me with some witless patty duke comment that someone can't beat many of the fart can crap and some of the older beater sports cars out there on the street with nothing but a V8. If you think that, no wonder grandma is handing you your butt in the family wagon
I don't know Slammed Fiero, Garethster or Lex and they don't know me, but based on each of our responses in threads like this one and how we interact on this public forum I think myself and many others can get a pretty good idea of what kind of people we might be, especially outside the internet.
So, if you don't know jack or just want to try and start something, please don't post on this forum. The rest of us don't care to have to constantly wade thru your mindless insulting dribble and we are all tired of thread jackers like you constantly causing threads to be taken to the trash can. This is not what this forum is about so please grow up and act accordingly.

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quote Originally posted by Fiero5: Dude, my gosh if your getting your butt handed to you by grandma in her Subaru Outback Station Wagon then you seriously need to do one if not all of these: A) Get your engined tuned or replaced B) Learn how to actually drive your car C) Learn when to post and when to just stay away from the Reply button Think you've made your point yet with using that bart gif over and over? Once again we get to see at least one of the more intellegent forum members very helpfull and knowledgeable posts on here

Fact # 1 If it was a 2005 Outback XT (which there are a few of on the road) It would be capable of the same kinda times a 3.8SC automatic fiero puts down. Thats right kiddies. 250hp , 250 ft lbs of Tq and capable of a 1.9 sec 60 ft in a 4300Lbs wagon.

Secondly , the new outback wagon runs 13.7's in the 1/4 and 5.4 to 60 , The new outback and legacy (turbo versions) are the 3rd fastest vehicle produced by subaru. The low 14 sec WRX is now considered the 4th fastest vehicle in the subaru lineup.

An Impreza TS 5spd is fastert than an 88GT auto and on par with any 5spd getrag 2.8 ..but not as fast as a 4spd car.

I do have a bit of experience with subaru's so to speak (HAHAH) Inside joke for anyone who knows what ido for a living.

I don't see the bragging point in a 18 sec car beating a 18.5 sec car. There both slow as hell and the race is as exciting as watching paint dry. Go play with some big boys then post how badass your duke. it.

Jonathan McCreery

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1986 GT Northstar 5spd , direct port nitrous nprogress
2002 Mini (autocross car)
2004 WRX (daily driver)
1997 E36 BMW M3 , H&R's , Hamman Exhaust , Toyo RA1's
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quote Originally posted by Slammed Fiero: I don't see the bragging point in a 18 sec car beating a 18.5 sec car. There both slow as hell and the race is as exciting as watching paint dry. Go play with some big boys then post how badass your duke. it. Jonathan McCreery

Well Jonathan, I wasn't the one racing a Subaru wagon nor do I ever care to want to race one, but nice to see how well your paying attention here to how bad you just want to insult someone

quote Originally posted by Fiero5: Notice how a few like to twist what some of us say to make some idiotic point that is not what any of us were saying to begin with. The point is that not all Porsches are all beasts that can desimate all. Some have quite a few miles on them and have gutless 4 cyl motors so they can be beat. I know, I have beaten one. Is it really that big of a deal.

Right. But atleast the 944 can be heavily modified. The duke is also a gutless motor with no hope for it. Unless of course you trash it for somthing else.

quote I agree that Archie makes some sweet rides with his V8 conversions and if I had the spare disposable coinage I would certainly go for a massive LT1 conversion myself

Well too bad for ya. Maybe it's the decisions we make in life. You've got like 600 fieros right? Why not sell most of them off and build one nice car? I am 24, live on my own, putting myself through school right now, and can afford an engine swap.

quote However, don't try and tell me with some witless patty duke comment that someone can't beat many of the fart can crap and some of the older beater sports cars out there on the street with nothing but a V8.

Are you admitting to building "the fart can crap"? Or is this a case of the pot calling the kettle black?

quote So, if you don't know jack or just want to try and start something, please don't post on this forum. The rest of us don't care to have to constantly wade thru your mindless insulting dribble and we are all tired of thread jackers like you constantly causing threads to be taken to the trash can. This is not what this forum is about so please grow up and act accordingly.

For the last time, don't tell us what we should and should not post on a PUBLIC FORUM.

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quote Originally posted by Slammed Fiero: I don't see the bragging point in a 18 sec car beating a 18.5 sec car. There both slow as hell and the race is as exciting as watching paint dry.

I have an 87 duke in very good condition. I can brag about the good gas mileage . It makes a good commuter car for me. I wouldn't waste my time racing with it....there's really nothing to work with...I mean, 96hp ...need I say more. Driving ability only goes so far...you can only do so much with that little horsepower, no matter how good you are with a clutch

I know the V6 isn't much to talk about either, but when I'm in my 87 V6 5spd I can actually go out and race people...giving many of them a run for their money. That would never happen in my duke...unless of course I was racing someone with another vehicle in the double digit horsepower bracket.

I'll keep the duke, it's a nice car for crusing around. If I ever do a swap though, that's the first car I'll rip the engine out of