quote Originally posted by yello86se: would you guys rather have me change a few thing on my current ride for tis show?

Do you two have to carry your childish behavior and bickering into EVERY Freakin thread you post to. I don't normally stick my nose into others business, but even tho you are both respected and liked on this forum, it won't be long before members start asking Cliff to do something about it.
Changing a cars appearance won't embarrass this forum. Having new members read all this BS will.

Now...Onto the car changes. Yellow, why care about what others want or think. Man..You have some great ideas and evidently the money and talent to carry them out. If I had the money (or talent) to do whatever I wanted to do to my cars, its hard to tell what might evolve. I say go with your ideas.

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Jim
www.jkfiero.com

This thread is only for the prupose of seeign what kidn of response or ideas people have for my idea of a concept type car,, kinda like a 2004 fiero.
I love my Yello, but I dont think the chasis on her is clean enough for the wow show, YEllo has no rust,, but to get all the nooks and crannys undeneath the car clean would mean disassembling her. I think If was to dissassembel the black car and start ground up,, I wolud have a really really clean car and basically a new car ground up.
I am not agaisnt putting yello into the WOW show,, however, what other ideas could I use to get it realy ready for that type of show? I would love to hear all the comments. ALl the comments mean alot, that is how yello evolved.

quote Originally posted by yello86se: and lastly here would be the Engine. I plan on making this an automatic car. I will need someone to insall the engine,, the rest fot the donor stuff I can do, Ill even do the body panels myself.

Have you tried mocking this into a cradle or car yet? That intake sticks out in front of the engine so much that you may have clearance issues. It looks like it will be a tight squeeze, but it may fit ok. The nice thing is that your intake will be in front and your exhaust in the rear, which in my opinion is better for packaging and easier to work with.

Bryce
88 GT

Havent gotten that far yet,, Gooona get a new cradle and maybe test fit it. I am plannign on cuttign the trunk out of the donor car for it to fit better. I will have to reinforce the back of the car, but pretty simpl with alot of steel and a welder.

sounds like a cool project.. I'd personally go with a 3.4 DOHC rather than a 2.4 from an import.. but that's just my opinion (market value: $0.02)

go for it!

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steve@digitalfusion.on.ca
"Whoever said money can't buy happiness.. didn't have much of an imagination." - Steve King, 1997

quote Originally posted by yello86se: Havent gotten that far yet,, Gooona get a new cradle and maybe test fit it. I am plannign on cuttign the trunk out of the donor car for it to fit better. I will have to reinforce the back of the car, but pretty simpl with alot of steel and a welder.

The trunk space isn't going to be an issue, although it will help to cut it out for adequate exhaust system space.

I think your clearance issues will be in the FRONT of the engine, by the firewall. You will want to go out and measure the distance from the center of the engine (in line with the crankshaft) to the furthest point forward on the engine, which looks like it will be two middle runners on the intake. It's hard to say from the picture, but it looks like it's probably 16-18 inches forward. This will be a tight squeeze, so I recommend you get to measuring before anything.

If you seriously want to have this done in a few months, you better get cracking TODAY!

Bryce
88 GT

OK when I read the first post in this thread I thought oh God yeat another yahoo wants to slap a bunch of parts together and call it a custom fiero.

However, after seeng the pics of yello I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt. I usually hate extensive body mods but you did a nice job on that. It looks pretty good and not over done like a lot of body mods do. It's close to being overdone, but you stopped in time to preserve the aesthetic.

I still think you're looking to create frakensteins monster, but I'll reserve judgment until I see the final result.

If your dead set on a mitsu engine, use the 4G63 (2.0 Turbo eclipse motor, use the earlier motors, there just better). Its hydrolic clutch and cable shift. It has PLENTY of power and reliability is ok. it isn't too hard of a fit either. Personally, I think its much easier to stay with GM stuff since the electronics are somewhat compatible. But If you can, then why not try it out.

Yes, I am pretty dead set on trying a mitsubishi motor. The WOW chicago has lots of young people and that is who mostly attend, and lots of ricer cars. I am just hoping to show them that the Fiero is probably the most universal and up to date car on the road today.. After all you can do almost anythign in a fiero.

I will post soem pics once the car is deconstructed. Like I said thsi will be ground up. I plan on doing everythgin but the engine and the paint. I cant wait for all the fedex boxes to start showing up at my door,, YEeee HAaaaa

quote Originally posted by yello86se:

Bryce I don't get what you're saying. From this pic it seems to me that the exhaust is toward the front of the motor. Isn't the front of the car near the bottom of the pic? In that case, the only issue he might have is if the primary pipes of the factory headers are too long to clear the rear firewall.

Then again maybe I ain't seeing too straight

perk

quote Originally posted by yello86se: and lastly here would be the Engine. I plan on making this an automatic car. I will need someone to insall the engine,, the rest fot the donor stuff I can do, Ill even do the body panels myself.

...did you find this car abandoned on the highway or something? Why would you want to use that sloppy piece of equipment? Im assuming the only reason is because it was probably free. Well, go ahead and build the car i guess, i mean, we gotta take a dump in something right?

I am not mechanic at all, ( I change OIl) I am not sure either, I woudl believe that the headers woudl be agianst the firewall, but I am not sure.. I will be posting itesm for sale off the donor car soon. Msot of the body and all the inrterior are going bye bye..
Look for the list soon.

If that is the engine in your stratus that is a Chrysler motor. The same one that is inside the non-turbo PT Crusier.

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Go for it.

By the way, not all "American" cars use soley american parts. The Stealth for instance. Mitsu engine.

And all of you with stock speakers in your Fiero. They were made in Japan (have 4 sitting right here). Rice indeed.

But for the record, I do generally prefer American parts in American cars, but do like to see different things done. If you don't like his ideas, fine. Say what you will but be atleast alittle cordial.

I think a Quad 4 HO would be a better choice, not for performance or any loyalty to GM, but because it has been done before so there is a lot of information out there to help you along. There are so many variables in trying to swap a totally unrelated powertrain into a Fiero (or any FWD for that matter).

If the Fiero were a front engine rwd car I would say, go for it, since anything that will fit can be made to work (within reason). Old RX-7s, Miatas, Datsun 240/260/280Zs, Triumphs, MGs, Pintos, Vegas, early Celicas, these are all cars which can be adapted to run any engine that will fit since the only real limitations are physical size, mounts, transmission choice and driveshaft length. I know this isn't simple but the shifter is right on the tranny and the rear ends can always be replaced by anything the right width in the live axle cars.

Try it but keep in mind that there are far more variables in a car with an engine/ transaxle combo.

Ira

The parts I am taking off the Concepts frame are listed in the mall.. In case anyone needs anything at a good deal
:-)

yello didn't get all those reds on his bar for THIS did he??

I'm starting to feel that this car will end up being something special. Like others have said, though, I'll reserve final judgement till the car's finished.

Unsafe At Any Speed: I dunno about everyone else, but those "American" cars that use foreign engines or are Japanese cars with "American" names stamped on them are cars I don't consider to be true American cars.

He didn't have quite as many "red flags" at the start of this thread...

GM just struck a deal with Honda for engines, so soon there will be an all Japanese motor in a built-in-America car (Saturn).

quote Originally posted by perkidelic: Bryce I don't get what you're saying. From this pic it seems to me that the exhaust is toward the front of the motor. Isn't the front of the car near the bottom of the pic? In that case, the only issue he might have is if the primary pipes of the factory headers are too long to clear the rear firewall. Then again maybe I ain't seeing too straight perk

The way I'm seeing it, that's the intake on the bottom of the picture. The four intake runners go to the plenum, looks all aluminum to me. The strut towers and the cowl is on the top of the picture (which is towards the rear of the car). If you transfer the whole package to the rear of the car, then the intake will be in front and the exhaust next to the trunk.

If that's the intake, which it appears to be, in the front of the engine...I'm not sure where the confusion is coming from..?

Bryce
88 GT

I think your car looks great the way it is. It is just my opionion though. Don't change a thing. My opionion.

Thats why I put the quotes around American

yello,

How high is your spoiler and where did you get your wing stands ?

I like that particular measurement.

Maybe you're right Bryce, I thought those long tubes were a factory exhaust header. I've been wrong at least once before

perk

I think we should stop bashing the man, and his ideas and appreciate the hard work he will have to put forth to complete this concept car. Remember, alot of people out there are still against our cars, lets not make some of them us!

Kruz

It's nice to see that we have finally gotten past all the stupid rice comments....not

Yello, I love your car. Like many have said here, do what you want on this new project. I guarentee that if you pull it off the naysayers will then be saying oohs and aaahs and droooling all over it. Right now they don't have the imagination to see it like you do, so they find it easier to bash it instead.

Steve

quote Originally posted by yello86se: This thread is only for the prupose of seeign what kidn of response or ideas people have for my idea of a concept type car,, kinda like a 2004 fiero. I love my Yello, but I dont think the chasis on her is clean enough for the wow show, YEllo has no rust,, but to get all the nooks and crannys undeneath the car clean would mean disassembling her. I think If was to dissassembel the black car and start ground up,, I wolud have a really really clean car and basically a new car ground up. I am not agaisnt putting yello into the WOW show,, however, what other ideas could I use to get it realy ready for that type of show? I would love to hear all the comments. ALl the comments mean alot, that is how yello evolved.

How about START OVER.............

Ron, that is not really a Mitsu Engine. If you are set on a Mitsu engine go with the 2.0 DSM. It is realiable and 210 HP 214 TQ, and will has parts coming Butt. I know a guy that has some blocks and stuff. That is the neon engine that doesn't like head gaskets. I will try and call you in the very near future. Or get a srt crate motor.

Good Luck with your project .... I for one am anxious to see how it turns out !

I do feel that people need to get past the "rice" factor and realise that this is a very heavy "current" trend in hotrodding. Like it or not !

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www.cfogi.org

I could not help but see that you would like to put your car into the 2004 Windy City Classic World of Wheels. I am reading this right, yeah?

If so I would be the one to talk to. Chris Berry and I are the Chairpersons for the N.I.F.E. Club and Car display. You can enter your car either as a single entry or enter it with our club like Larry Johnson from Heartland Fiero's did last year.

If you would like to enter your car in with our club display, just to let you know we have about 15 cars already on the list who would like to show their car in the show. Out of the 15-20 cars we as a club pick the top 8 cars and those cars will be representing the club at the show If your car is selected you will have to obide but the clubs rules for the show since we compete for the highest prize at the show $2500.00 for best club display. So you can submit your car and mods to us and we will add you to the list. Other wise you would be better off to enter your car as a single entry.

87 pegasus(mike), Jim and Rich and I were taolkign at auburn about entering yello into the show. I am just thinking that buildign aother differtn car may be a better idea to fit into the mix of modified out there. know that the modified cars are what you are tryign to show to the younger crowd at the shows and get excitement into the fieros. SO , that is why I am trying to do a mitsu engine into a fiero to give it a littel more definition. We shoudl talk more about this subject privately about the show. Give you a few ideas on what I am tryign to build..

quote Originally posted by yello86se: 87 pegasus(mike), Jim and Rich and I were taolkign at auburn about entering yello into the show. I am just thinking that buildign aother differtn car may be a better idea to fit into the mix of modified out there. know that the modified cars are what you are tryign to show to the younger crowd at the shows and get excitement into the fieros. SO , that is why I am trying to do a mitsu engine into a fiero to give it a littel more definition. We shoudl talk more about this subject privately about the show. Give you a few ideas on what I am tryign to build..

Will do drop me a PM and i will fill you in with the details.