There will always be a market for a small, light, hi-powered mid-engine sports car. However, there will never be a place for the name "Fiero" ever again.
Personally, I believe that GM could easily build a mid-engine 350Z killer for under $30K. I know I would buy it.
Well this has been an intereseting day... I see I even got a couple more negative ratings... Ladeefreakingda...
I also see some do get it... Good for you!
The only way you can get thru to some people is to throw boulders.... Even then they often bounce off the exceedingly dense heads of some.
1. ANYTHING GM might call a Fiero would NOT be a Fiero. Does anyone actually have to explain this?
1a. As noted... resurection of the Fiero brand could be a VERY bad thing to the existing Fiero comunity. If you think some parts places gouge you now... look at what happened to the VW bug. It's a very good example that was pointed out above. Bugs that you could get for a few hundred are now a couple thousand...... Places like Fiero Wh(st)ore are already gouging allot of people that think they are the only outlet for many common parts.
1b. A new Fiero would be an OBD2 car and any modification of it would be dificult at best. Many mods would infact be illegal. Look at all the problems California Fiero owners already have doing performance mods. OBD2 is worse.
2. I knew the Opel thing would eventually come up... Too bad Opel is also known as a major failure in the U.S. This is in large part thanks to U.S. Opels using the same POS L4 motor as Vega in the 70's.... Like Vega, Nothing you could do would stop them blowing or drinking oil. I know. Tried it first hand. More than once. Total rebuild from ground up and still drank a quart every week or two. Vega... Another brand GM will never use again...
3. Contrary to recent ad campaigns and the bogus JD Power survey that is nothing but a tool, GM and Quality are mutually exclusive terms. (First Law of Statistics... You can make numbers say anything.) I have a GM plant near me... it's a Saturn Plant now... I've also been to GM dealers recently. The new cars suck just as bad as always... tinny plastic crap piles. Unless you can spend 30-50,000 plus. Then maybe you can buy a 'vette or caddi. Even they aren't what they once were.
4. GM shouldn't feel bad tho... I've been to other dealers as well... all the car makers are sucking these days. U.S. and foriegn. None of them build a decent car under 20-30,000 now. I'd feel safer in a box of packing peanuts than in most current car models. Multiple air bags don't make up for shi_ty product.
When most car makers are averaging more than one significant problem per car... something is wrong. The fact that buyers are still putting up with this crap is pathetic. There is no legitimate excuse for the defect rate of cars sold today.
5. Don't bit_h at me about pissing away manufacturing to Mexico and elsewhere. That is a direct result of things like the UAW and NAFTA.
NAFTA goes out of it's way to reduce U.S. manufacuring. Face it... U.S. Labor is expensive... ship it off to someplace that will work for 1/3 the U.S. market or less. (I could spend days on the NAFTA disaster...)
Please... I know many UAW workers first hand so please don't try to tell me what they think. I know. I have GM/Saturn (Boxwood) and Chrysler (Newark) plant almost in my back yard... They tell me what they think regularly. The Union is screwing both the rank and file and the car makers. The only thing UAW and many other old unions care about is their own huge wallet.
6. As for fires... NHTSA has their recall database online... There are hundreds of recalls on things that cause cars to catch fire. Including many recent models from just about all car makers. Millions of cars are affected by more than a couple of these recent recalls.
I could go on all night but I'm tired. To those that got it. Thank you. To those that didn't... to F'ing bad.
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DRA Member
Posts: 4543 From: Martinez, Ga, USA Registered: Oct 1999
Ogre, are you getting grumpy in your old age? (LOL) Noticed a slight tinge of impatience and disdain for lesser beings in some of your recent posts, anything else bothering you that you'd like to talk about?
(of course you know I'm joking!, sometimes it's not that obvious)
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01:19 AM
West Coast Fiero Member
Posts: 2044 From: Los Angeles, CA, USA Registered: Jun 2001
Ogre, thank you - you have summed up all the speaches and lectures from John Parenti, Keith Huff, Chris West, Phil Huff, and Bob Yorke have always delicately gived to a Fiero newbie in Fieros West when asking the same question. This thread has been a good read, I applaud everyone for thier comments, thought, and ideas.
------------------ ( the above was the thoughts, views, and opinions of a disgruntled Fiero mechanic, and do not express or imply those of West Coast Fiero, Fieros West, or any other organization - just that of this poor bastard ) :) Eric Nelson Technician, West Coast Fiero 310-305-4111
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Mach10 Member
Posts: 7375 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Registered: Jan 2001
A car is a car. Mustang, Challenger, Camaro, Fiero, Gt40 these are just names. Rarely is the true spirit of a car revived.And no offense, I love Fieros, but NO ONE but us wants them back. Our car is one of the rolling laughing stocks of the industry. It may be for unfounded reasons, but no one likes the Fiero! (except us) So we must now deal with the loss and buy up old ones and stuff V8's in them and destroy people on the street and laugh about it! unnderdogs.... so cool!
------------------ ---"Didn't those catch fire?"--- ---"Why didn't you get an MR2?"--- ---"The engine is WHERE?"--- ---Liking Fiero's is a lonely business---
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DRA Member
Posts: 4543 From: Martinez, Ga, USA Registered: Oct 1999
A car is a car. Mustang, Challenger, Camaro, Fiero, Gt40 these are just names. Rarely is the true spirit of a car revived.And no offense, I love Fieros, but NO ONE but us wants them back. Our car is one of the rolling laughing stocks of the industry. It may be for unfounded reasons, but no one likes the Fiero! (except us) So we must now deal with the loss and buy up old ones and stuff V8's in them and destroy people on the street and laugh about it! unnderdogs.... so cool!
Does that make us the Vegas and Pintos of the new millenium? LOL
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Jun 2nd, 2003
Xantavar Member
Posts: 1158 From: Big Rapids, MI...Ferris State Registered: Nov 2002
I just think that if the Fiero got brought back, then the design would have to be way ahead of its time. Cause I still think the aero kit is up to date with todays new car designs.
------------------ FURIOUS FIERO '86 2M4-Sold:(
Got a Job, a Girlfriend...All I need now is a V6 Manual FIERO!
EVERYONE has the vw beetle thing wrong. Vw beetles always costed 2000-3000 dollars. thats in mint condition. No rust at all, and a good paint job. I can get a vw beetle for a $1 to $20,000. There was only a slight price increase when the new one came out, but that was only to the idiots looking to make a buck. Vw beetles are a dime a dozen. They are everywhere. Nothing has changed with the VW community when the new bug came out.
I knew 5 years before the new one came out, that it wasn't like the old one. It is a totally different car. I even dont really consider it a beetle. It's a yuppy wanna be car. And VW is a bigger idiot then GM ever will be. VW started sueing a lot of people because they used the words beetle or a picture of a bug. This was a huge problem when the new beetle came out. In someways it was copyright infridgment, but they took it too far.
And whats up with all the GM bashing? why did you even buy a fiero? Buy an import and be part of the ricer scene. Id rather work on GM and fords then any jap crap thats out there. And jap cars are not all that. They do have problems too. So to those people thinking imports make such quality car, is from all the stories you here. Just like all fieros start on fire, thats not true either.
And GM and ford using the same part for all their cars is a great idea. For me it is. Because if i never need to go to a junkyard. i can get a part very easily. Vw beetles did the same thing too. A lot of the parts are interchangable.
The only problem with the 88 fiero, is that they stopped making them. Who knows. If they kept making fieros, the 88 parts would be more "outthere." And if your a hobbyist. You know it is hard to get parts for cars that were only made for a sort time. just like the buick reatta. It is a kewl car, but good luck getting parts. Or any vintage car before the 80s.
Should GM bring back the fiero? Ya that would be kewl. But it wouldn't last. Everyones into ricers. Maybe if GM made the new fiero look like rice, then maybe it would be a big seller. Or an SUV fiero. Or maybe the fiero would be a hit like the new beetle. Those are still selling. But i would only buy a new fiero if they made it just like the 90 prototype. Or did a newer design with an engine in the back.
I love the cars from the 80s. And thats when a lot of computerized things got started in cars. What is there in new cars? Strict government regulations, cars that have computer systems to spy on you. Id rather stick with anything before the 90s unless its a vette, stang, trans am, or a luxury car.
Everyone keeps forgetting about the prototypes that GM had of the fiero. 2.8l turbo fieros, power steering, 4wheel steering, 3800, 4 speed auto trans (3800 and a 4 speed auto trans is in the 90 prototype, it is in the newest hotrod magazine in the GM test track in the desert). If you ever look at the GMs warehouse pics, they have very badass cars. A lot of the cars are stock looking with 700hp engines.
But the only way i want a fiero to come out if it was like the 90prototype and the sales were high. Otherwise, just leave it alone.
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06:59 AM
DRA Member
Posts: 4543 From: Martinez, Ga, USA Registered: Oct 1999
Hey Vegas made great V8 transplans!! Pintos were cool too I used to drive my moms right after I got my permit. Ahh yes the good ole days.
Late 70's early 80's that was the ideal setup for the guy on a budget. Pickup a cheap Vega or Pinto and throw a SB or BB in it, find a decent rear and instant bullet. Those were the days, no computers to deal with just bolt it in and tune it.
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lurker Member
Posts: 12355 From: salisbury nc usa Registered: Feb 2002
Personally, I really don't care if they bring the Fiero back or not. It will never be, as most of you have already mentioned, the car we know and (may?) love! What I really wish GM would do is keep making parts for the Fiero. Of course, that will never happen...but it would be nice.
Steve
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derangedsheep Member
Posts: 3089 From: Myerstown, PA Registered: Mar 2003
FURIOUS FIERO 
