As far as what V8 to use, to each his own, depends on many different things, but mainly what will make the owner happy.

To those who think the SBC adds too much weight that would affect the handling, I post this note from C5 Corvette, who used to race for Porsche:

Also the TPI rev limit can be raised by chosing the right cam/roller rockers, plenum/runners, pressure reg./injectors, etc.

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Cal Kid , ever weighed your car?

JM

quote Originally posted by cadero2dmax: You see, I can weigh a car before an engine swap, and again after. I can change a lot of things besides engine, for example I can take an automatic out of the original, and put a lighter 4 speed in. I can even take out an interior, or weigh the before with a spare tire and the after without. Hell, my R-1 racing tires are a couple pounds each lighter than the street tires I am running, so there's 8 or 9 pounds I can change the overall weight by, just by putting the right combo on. I can do a lot of things to make the numbers read the way I want when I measure the same car "before and after" a swap.So much for that method!! G

I'll take that to mean that you are calling me a liar.

You want to quote weights from Tom and you want people to believe you, I post actual weigh slips that are dated long before this thread started and you infer that I'm lying.

You want to compare your lightened & preped 4.9 race car to a regular SBC street car conversion. And you accuse me of doctoring numbers.

You can weigh anything you like and you can weigh them on all 4 corners or whatever. I don't care, do what you want.

Anyone that has as much "experience" as you do in setting up a Fiero should be able to set up a SBC Fiero to handle just as well as you claim your car can.

I have no problem with people making their own choice as to what kind of engine they choose to have in their Fiero. In fact I like all engine swaps. I know that those that use the smaller engines today are going to take the step up to the SBC tomorrow.

It seems that everytime someone is trying to justify his choice to use a 3.4 or 3.8 or 4.9, he always trys to justify his choice by trying to find a downside to the SBC swap. I wonder why they can't let their engine choice stand on it's own merits. I don't interfere in 99% of those threads and I only entered this thread when I had actual weigh slips to offer when you started quoting weights from a 3rd. party.

Those weights from a 3rd. party are from a person who has a 4.9 swap and who claimed to have never done a SBC swap. So my question would be, Just how did he manage to have "Both engines" in "identical dress: i.e. - ready to install" at the same time in the same place????

I've never dissed the 4.9 swap and I've never interfered one of your 4.9 is better than sliced bread threads, but it's about time that someone steps up and gives the other side of the story.

I know you don't believe it, but not everyone needs their street Fiero setup like a race car. Many are happy with the torque and thrill that only a SBC Fiero can give them.

Earlier in this thread you stated "Problem is - the Bowtie bunch has a hard time accepting those weights!!" I would submit that the only thing this BowTie owner has a hard time accepting is being called a Liar.

Archie

quote Originally posted by Slammed Fiero: Cal Kid , ever weighed your car? JM

No I haven't, has never been a reason to. I know that the car was measured in weight before and after the swap by Keith Huff in CA but I don't have the slips. If I remember correctly I believe they said they got it down to a 90 lb difference. I don't have all the details on how this was accomplished, but minimal weight gain was one of their targets. Attached is part of an article that Keith Huff wrote on SBC Conversions relative to weight. Also keep in mind he only used Sanderson Headers, not cast iron.

Archie

ONE MORE TIME!!!

My car is not a "Lightened Race Car" My SE Fiero is exactly as it came from the factory, except with a 4.9 Caddy conversion from a 1993 Seville, a 3.35 Isuzu tranny, with a Centerforce clutch and 10lb billet steel flywheel on an '88 cradle.

It has air conditioning, power windows, leather seats, 14x6 wheels, etc. It has a 1" swaybar on the front, and the stock '88 swaybar that came with the cradle on the rear. Koni shocks on the front, coilovers rear (necessary with the '88 cradle install in an early chassis) - - and with delrin (front) and poly (rear) bushings. It has stock Fiero calipers (early single rotor front with cyro rotor and CarboTech pads - '88 rear with Carbomet pads).

It is a daily driver car (I have been driving it every day this week (my truck is in AL), and will be driven the 725 miles to the swap meet from Tulsa. IT IS NOT A RACECAR!! Put it to rest, Archie. This is a daily driver, with no more mods than MOST Fiero drivers have done to their cars.

ALSO

Where do you get off telling a mechanic that works in a large garage that he doesn't have access to (1) a scale (2) a Chevrolet V8 and (3) a Cadillac 4.9??

The fact this bowtie went back into a Camaro, and the 4.9 went into a Fiero is not important. The fact he actually weighed the two engines and posted his results IS of importance.

I understand that somebody reading this thread may not choose to buy your product, and that could be a threat to your livlihood.
But that is no reason to try to change the facts.

BTW, the engine was a stock cast iron head 305 from a Z28 Camaro. It was complete to the flywheel with alternator, a/c compressor, belts - - ready to install the exact same way the Cad engine was.

The weights were - - on the same scale and same day - - cast iron Bowtie 575lbs, aluminum 4.9 360#. A substantial 215 lb difference!!!

Sorry - - just the facts.

G

quote Originally posted by cadero2dmax: Archie I understand that somebody reading this thread may not choose to buy your product, and that could be a threat to your livlihood. But that is no reason to try to change the facts. G

That's the other thing that everyone of you guys tries to use in his arguements against the SBC swap, when he is losing an arguement on the facts.

I've challenged incorrect "facts" about the SBC swaps, on the Internet, for the last 5 years. And you know what?, Business is better than ever.

That's twice tonight that you've called me a liar.

The weight slips you see above were sent to me by a customer in Wisconsin. He had nothing to gain by lying to me. And I didn't lie to manipulate them.

I'm sorry, I know you don't like people to disagree with you, but the documentation speaks for it'self. Read the posts by the CA Kid and read the weight slips I posted earlier. Solid documentation, the only way to refute that information is to call people who disagree with you liars.

I don't like to be called a liar.

Archie

What does a SC3800 weigh?

quote Originally posted by 88formula: What does a SC3800 weigh?

It's all iron , I believe 460-475Lbs.

JM

Man, just three days before Ed's swap meet and the pot is really stirring. Sorry but I've had about all the bench-racing from George I can stand.

George, I know you're really hyped up about the 4.9, and it is an attractive swap for several reasons in spite of its cast-iron heads and minor mechanical maladies. But you still apparently haven't driven an SBC. You really should. The weight issue comes up often when people talk about big-HP engine swaps, I guess because it is easy to fall into the trap of over-analyzing the science at the expense of the reality. I've certainly done it myself a few times. I reiterate: It's in the middle of the car. It doesn't matter.

I've been fortunate to have the luxury of test-driving both of the most common SBC V8 swaps, LT1 and TPI, and also a 4.9. (Quiet, Phil--I've driven 3800SC's too.) Though perhaps not here on this Forum, it is well known how hard I push cars among those who know me IRL. I've owned an LT1 Z28 (13.44@102.66) and driven LT1, LT4 and LS1 Vettes (mine does 13.18@109.1 and has made regular trips to the 2-mile, 10-turn Summit Point Racetrack in the 4.5 years I've owned it.) I've pushed 'em all, and here's my take on the Fiero V8's. The 4.9 was nice. Torquey and responsive, very much like the L98 in my '87 Vette. The TPI SBC car was very similar to the 4.9, just a lot louder. Fun, more so than a 3.4, but I wasn't so excited about either one after the next one I drove. Man let me tell you, the LT1 5-speed car was an experience not easily put to words. It is every bit twice the jump of the 2.8-to-4.9. This was like nothing I'd ever felt before in any of the cars I've owned or driven. There was so much power in every gear, it was far in excess of the Cf between road and rubber (195/60/14 in this case). Given grippier tires (like Winston Ojeda has, in whose LT1 car I rode shotgun) the thrust is nearly all there, and utterly brutal. It is such a kick that you don't give a flying fùck about such nitwitted details as another 100lbs. You don't feel it, not one bit. You're having too much fun to care. Yup, you definitely have to learn a different driving technique in an SBC Fiero. You have your choice between mature moderation and unrestrained lunacy. I chose the latter, and laughed like a mental patient on a weekend pass in Disneyland the whole time.

Are you getting the picture yet, George? One time in a V8 Fiero with > 300hp and it will either be "I Gotta Have One" or "Wish I Could Afford One". See for yourself. Until you do, I think we've heard enough.

Dave

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- Black '88 GT 5-speed ZZ430TPI at Archie's
- '87 & '98 Corvette Coupes

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Doing some searcing. Here are some weight savings from going to different aluminum parts.

Heads 20lbs a piece
Intake 30lbs from
Exhaust manifolds 15lbs piece
So if you spent the money, you could shave the weight of a smallblock down to that of a 3800.

Adding the v8 and not changing anything else changes the weight distribution to 42/58 (that's if I did my math right and if the GM quoted 45/55 distribution is correct.)

Which isn't that bad.
especially when you compare it to other mid/rear engined cars.
NSX 41/59
360 modena 43/57
Reynard 02I champ car 43/57
mr2 spyder 44/56
Lamborghini Murciélago 42/58

Now I'm not going to argue about suspension design or wheelbase and track width, but the point is that none of those cars can be considered ill handling.

So you have to change yout suspension setup, you might stumble onto a better combination. I thought I heard Slammed say he was planning an 88 cradle swap anyways. So his setup would change regardless of the motor.

Not that I really care.

To Any SBC V8 Owners

Why not weigh one of your engines? There has to be somebody doing the SBC swap that has one out of their car, or just lying around.
I have asked this a couple times - - instead of using weight slips somebody mails, or different cars - - just weigh the damned engines!! Tom did, but even then there appears "documented proof" that he is a "liar" offered. Just weigh the damned engines - - how hard can that be??

BTW, Ed has about fourteen 4.9's in his shop, I have two out on my garage floor. It would not be difficult to weigh these with as many "witnesses" as you want to verify the results. Now, I believe in standing up to any challenge, does the SBC community?
Weigh your engines, for crying out loud!!

Words are cheap, let's put the actual engines on a scale ourselves in front of a bunch of people, and see who is right. That seems to be a very mature way of handling this, and I am willing to do it in front of a couple hundred people at the swap meet. Are you, SBC community??

As far as "weight doesn't matter, the engine is in the middle of the car" - - OK, if you really belive that!! Obviously, anybody with that mentality has never corner weighted a car - any car - but especuially a Fiero. Ignorance is bliss.

I HAVE driven a bowtie powered Fiero - - and I liked it big time. The one I drove was faster than my 4.9 except for the launch and first thousand feet or so in street racing.

I autocrossed this same SBC on "fun runs", and it drove as well as most Fieros -actually this one was set up for autocross and did pretty well. It was not, however, as well balanced as any 4.9 I have autocrossed, and the SBC still required a "point-and-shoot" style of driving. Now, that suits a lot of peoples driving style, and on the street is OK. But a momentum style of driving will net faster times on a course.

For road racing, well, then the power and RPM advantage of the SBC is a clear winner here, too.

I wouldn't put a 4.9 against a small block in the 1/4, but the 1/8th mile it has a chance.

I am not saying the SBC conversion is any less, or the 4.9 is any more. I tell people that if they are dissatisfied with the hp/torque numbers on the 4.9, to go to the SBC conversion. I send people to Archie all the time when they start talking about cams, headers, etc. The 4.9 will not support that and still run as well as it does, for a number of reasons.

I simply was sharing the concept that the 4.9 was better suited to one type of driving - autocrossing - than the SBC, and I attribute that to a weight difference.

Is it that hard to believe that there might be ONE thing that a non SBC engine is a little better suited?

G

quote Originally posted by cadero2dmax: Gee, I suggested that my 4.9 be compared to a SBC in a message above, and Archie had a problem with that (see his last posting). So, I would guess the same could be said for your theory. You see, I can weigh a car before an engine swap, and again after. I can change a lot of things besides engine,... G

Nice. No, my "theory" isn't a theory. I simply said I'd be interested in comparing the front and rear weights on a V6 vs. an Aluminum Head SBC. Sorry if you have a problem with that.

You are right about one thing. You can change lots of things during a swap to get the numbers to be what you want. Um, now excuse me if I'm confused, but ISN'T THAT THE POINT?!?!?!

Sorry for shouting, but you're saying in one breath that the weight of the SBC can't be compensated for, and then you say, sure you can change other stuff to compensate, so it's not a fair comparison.

You just lost me on this. Yes, the 4.9 weighs less. Big deal. If I want to do a V8, I'm going to use a SBC (or Northstar). I'd want a V8 for POWER - and the 4.9 simply isn't powerful enough.

On a street car, the weight won't make a lot of difference. On a competition car, you're going to be changing lots of things on the car, so as you said, you can make other changes to compensate.

Ok, I'm done here. At best we can just agree to disagree. You're arguments aren't going to make me a 4.9 fan, and obviously no one here is going to make you a SBC fan.

quote Originally posted by cadero2dmax: I simply was sharing the concept that the 4.9 was better suited to one type of driving - autocrossing - than the SBC, and I attribute that to a weight difference. Is it that hard to believe that there might be ONE thing that a non SBC engine is a little better suited?

I'm glad that's out in the open. Okay folks, we have reached agreement. If you are happy with at most 200hp (net) and have as your primary focus with your Fiero driving it for three minutes in one-minute intervals dodging traffic cones in empty parking lots on Sunday afternoons, then clearly your first choice should be the aluminum-block Caddy 4.x engine, particularly if your driving skills cannot compensate for an additional 100-150lbs in the engine compartment in spite of having half-again or even twice as much power.

If this is not important to you, SBC.

Oh, and you can upgrade an SBC to an aluminum block if you want. See GMPP P/N 10185075. ($4975, vs. 10105123 $722 for cast-iron) Worth it? Let your wallet decide.

Dave

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- Black '88 GT 5-speed ZZ430TPI at Archie's
- '87 & '98 Corvette Coupes

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quote Originally posted by crazyd: I'm glad that's out in the open. Okay folks, we have reached agreement. If you are happy with at most 200hp (net) and have as your primary focus with your Fiero driving it for three minutes in one-minute intervals dodging traffic cones in empty parking lots on Sunday afternoons, then clearly your first choice should be the aluminum-block Caddy 4.x engine, particularly if your driving skills cannot compensate for an additional 100-150lbs in the engine compartment in spite of having half-again or even twice as much power. If this is not important to you, SBC. Oh, and you can upgrade an SBC to an aluminum block if you want. See GMPP P/N 10185075. ($4975, vs. 10105123 $722 for cast-iron) Worth it? Let your wallet decide. Dave

And all of this from a gentleman that has a SBC at Archies - - at least I can DRIVE my V8!! Oh, and a worthless 3.4 too!!

This gentleman also claims to have driven a 4.9. Since there are only a handful that are running to date, I REALLY doubt that. I am more inclined to believe he has just read a little, and thinks he knows a lot.

I am leaving in a little bit for the Swap Meet. C'mon down and see how little or much difference there is. Oh, and bring YOUR driving skills - -

You can REALLY drive a 4.9 there - either Ed's auto or my 5 speed. Then it would be a true HONEST comparison, instead of just words from somebody that THINKS he knows what it is all about.

That invitation is open to anybody contemplating a V8 conversion, BTW.

G

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quote Originally posted by cadero2dmax: To Any SBC V8 Owners Why not weigh one of your engines? There has to be somebody doing the SBC swap that has one out of their car, or just lying around. G

Guess what? I happen to have the V8 pulled out of a Fiero right this minute.

Am I gonna weight it? No.

2 reasons, first,I don't need to, the V8 Fiero handled as well as my other stock engined Fieros.

Second, you are a dick and I wouldn't care to do anything you asked.

A friend and I were considering putting a 4.9 in one of his Fieros, but the more crap we see, the better a sbc looks. Oh and I have spoken with Archie just this week about another V-8 kit.
Theres just something about a V8 that puts out a low HP and a modest torque number that isn't very attractive.

If you want to weigh something, weigh that 88 engine cradle and compare it to a pre-88 one. I havent measured the differences in them, simply because hands down, the 88 cradle is much lighter.

What was this about a 10 pound flywheel? Didn't you state in one of these posts that your car is not lightened? There is more to your car than the 4.9 that weighs less than it did stock.

You claim that your car is exactly as it came from the factory, but you follow it up with at least 10 things that have been changed. Alot of it is in the suspension.
All that work your car damn well better handle better than a stock one.

Enjoy your 4.9, I'll enjoy the SBC powered fieros.
Go away, your just making 4.X owners look like asses. You sound like some Import boy whining why his car is so much better then someone elses.

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quote Originally posted by cadero2dmax: As far as "weight doesn't matter, the engine is in the middle of the car" - - OK, if you really belive that!! Obviously, anybody with that mentality has never corner weighted a car - any car - but especuially a Fiero. Ignorance is bliss. G

I seem to recall you saying on the fiero racing list that you had your q4 fiero weight jacked so that it was balanced and it ended up handling worse?

Maybe I read it wrong.

I'm personally thrilled that all this heated discussion takes place. We need this... point, point-contradicted stuff to keep things interesting...

But honestly, I'm not one to care so much for infinite specifics. This thread was started because of one thing; V8 Fieros hawl-balls to hell and beyond. Call me simple, but I DO KNOW that a SBC is all I would need for my Fiero to become a drug-like, tire-smoking, adrenaline-rush-inducing, sensory-overloading hell-raiser on four wheels.

Period.

Weigh this, weigh that. I don't need it. I go by what I feel... in this case, "seat of the pants." Is it firmly planted? Does my neck snap? Does my blood-flow stay normal, or does it get interupted by excessive G-force?

Do my tires spin without trying?

We could all use a little humor these days...

Cheers guys!

Brett

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"Wake up and smell the pizza!"
tribaldust1@mchsi.com

quote Originally posted by cadero2dmax: And all of this from a gentleman that has a SBC at Archies - - at least I can DRIVE my V8!! Oh, and a worthless 3.4 too!!

Resorting to cheap shots now, George? A little ad hominem assault to divert away from the facts? Didn't you just say how few 4.9's exist on the road? How many hundreds of Archie cars are out there? Regardless of that, let me make it clear that I'm not putting down the 4.9 swap here. I do think it has its merits, and I hope Ed does very well with his kit for it. I just chose a different route. But the Caddy V8 does have its limits too, and I'm making sure the record is straight on the merits and facts of the SBC V8 over the Caddy V8.

quote This gentleman also claims to have driven a 4.9. Since there are only a handful that are running to date, I REALLY doubt that. I am more inclined to believe he has just read a little, and thinks he knows a lot.

To settle your skepticism about whether I've actually driven a 4.9, it was in fact Ed's car I drove at Daytona. The red SE with the white-on-red gauge faces and the burbling exhaust setting off the car alarms at the Holiday Inn's lower parking garage. A typically gracious Ed, who let me drive it in spite of my reputation. While you apparently have no idea who I am, he knows me, so ask him yourself whether I drove his car if you're so skeptical. It's interesting how you repeatedly think anyone who makes a good point with you is telling something other than the truth, even when it's only to restate what you said yourself.

quote I am leaving in a little bit for the Swap Meet. C'mon down and see how little or much difference there is. Oh, and bring YOUR driving skills - - You can REALLY drive a 4.9 there - either Ed's auto or my 5 speed. Then it would be a true HONEST comparison, instead of just words from somebody that THINKS he knows what it is all about.

I can't make it to the swap meet anyway, I have a prior commitment to doing the Corvette Forum's Skyline Drive cruise with my Corvette club this weekend. But thanks for the offer!

Dave

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- '87 & '98 Corvette Coupes

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Guys guys guys! Time out! You all must chill!

I think the pros and cons of each swap are well documented. Some things matter to people and some things don't. Depending on what matters to you is going to depend on what swap is right for you.

The 4.x swaps are potentially lighter and cheaper to build. The SBCs are potentially more powerful and better documented. I use the word "potentially" in both cases because there are many variables that can change those statements.

Sheesh, folks. Let's not make this harder than it is.

Hartz

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'85 SE 3.1L V6 Turbo
Hartz's Toys

quote Originally posted by jelly2m8: Guess what? I happen to have the V8 pulled out of a Fiero right this minute. Am I gonna weight it? No. 2 reasons, first,I don't need to, the V8 Fiero handled as well as my other stock engined Fieros. Second, you are a dick and I wouldn't care to do anything you asked.

First, it was the weight issues that Archie and all the rest of the SBC types took issue with.

But to back up the statements made by all the SBC proponents? Stand up like a man to a real challenge? Prove you point? NAW!!

I had hopes you "Big, Bad" Bowtie guys were more mature, and could actually back up what you say, as I have offered to do.

Naw - - let's resort to name calling!!

Second, for those that don't have to play "My Dog is Bigger than Your Dog" in order to prove his manhood - - come to the swap meet and see just what this immature child is badmouthing.

(I just might get a SBC from a junkyard just to weigh it in public in front of several Fiero enthusiasts, just for grins - -!)

G

quote Originally posted by cadero2dmax: First, it was the weight issues that Archie and all the rest of the SBC types took issue with. But to back up the statements made by all the SBC proponents? Stand up like a man to a real challenge? Prove you point? NAW!! I had hopes you "Big, Bad" Bowtie guys were more mature, and could actually back up what you say, as I have offered to do. Naw - - let's resort to name calling!!

Didn't you look at the links I provided? The block weights are right there on GM's webpage. Aluminum: 90lbs. Iron: 197lbs. The math is simple. Subtract 100lbs for an aluminum block instead of iron. Add 40lbs for iron heads instead of aluminum. YOU SAVE: 60lbs. Can we get on with our lives now?

Dave

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- '87 & '98 Corvette Coupes

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Wew!

I didn't want this to turn into a war!

For those of you who are not Familiar with Cadero2Dmax , he owned probably the best handling Fiero in the country/ if not in existance. Calling him a "Dick" is not needed.

Yes the 4.9Ltr engine has low Hp , probably no more than 225 in a fiero taking into act that the power steering is removed and the exhaust flows better than stock.

But , as any real racer will tell you , HP sells cars , TQ wins races. And the 4.9 has the TQ curve of a dump truck. Lots of low end grunt. Ideal for autocrossing or tight road courses. Yes it runs out of breath early , but it does the job , and ofr a lot less than a SBC. The characteristics of the engine remind me of a L98 , revs to 5600 , but after 4900 it's just making noise and not power.(in stock form)

The two engines really make up 2 different markets. For the be all end all power junkies there is the SBC , for those who think a hopped up 2.8 , 3.1 , 3.4 camaro swap just doesn't cut it there is the 4.9.

I do however believe Tom Hills numbers about the engine weights , they also coincide with a ton of literature ont he net and GM tech books. Again , it all comes down to the purpose of the car.

Big motors in the middle of a car do matter , espically ones mounted transversley. This applies to both the 4.9 and the SBC, they create enertia. The only way they have No affect on handling is if they are mounted Longitudinal. This is a hurdle for any Fiero with any motor that puts down respecttible TQ (ie not a 2.8)

I have not decided what to do as far as an engine conversion goes. But I will keep you all posted.

Can't we all just play nice?

JM

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quote Originally posted by cadero2dmax: First, it was the weight issues that Archie and all the rest of the SBC types took issue with. But to back up the statements made by all the SBC proponents? Stand up like a man to a real challenge? Prove you point? NAW!! I had hopes you "Big, Bad" Bowtie guys were more mature, and could actually back up what you say, as I have offered to do. Naw - - let's resort to name calling!! Second, for those that don't have to play "My Dog is Bigger than Your Dog" in order to prove his manhood - - come to the swap meet and see just what this immature child is badmouthing. (I just might get a SBC from a junkyard just to weigh it in public in front of several Fiero enthusiasts, just for grins - -!) G

It appears to me (if you review the entire thread overall) that you are the one with the problem. Not everyone is interested in your single minded, only autocross ideas of what the Fiero should be. This thread started about the pleasures of a member with his SBC conversion, and you seem hell bent to destroy the thread with your single minded ideas. Start your own thread and see how many/type responses you get.

quote Originally posted by Slammed Fiero: Scogin dickey makes a manifold that allows you to bolt a tpi system onto the fast burn heads. Can you provide some details of your injection system?

Sure, after it's finished.

Dave

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- Black '88 GT 5-speed ZZ430TPI at Archie's
- '87 & '98 Corvette Coupes

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My apologies (and publically) to CrazyD. I started to get personal. I will send a PM in a moment.

ItalGT, you are exactly right. It's amazing how a single little statement escalated into a war of words. My statement to JM about how a weight change will cause a solid competitor like he is to have to change both his driving style and to dial in his suspension once again caused a FUROR.

I just went back and re-read all the posts.
Simply amazing what has transpired here.

Oh, well. I will enjoy my weekend, this disagreement will not ruin it at all.

I hope the rest of you have a good weekend also. For those of you going to the swap meet, I'll see you there.

G

Okay, I just got my turn in the passenger seat of Grinthock's V8 fiero. This car is SCARY FAST! Not only torque, but power to spare...

Dude, I'm still shaking from that passing manuever in the mall parking lot... ha haa

Would love to get this car out on a long stretch of highway, at least 1320' worth!

Now, I could be wrong here, but the car really wound out in first and second gears. This would lead me to believe it's a 3.65, not a 4.10 tranny

We just need to get you a good underbody oiling and a small can of touch up paint.

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no truck, no trailer, no spray!