As some of you have read Terry Owens has stolen parts and equipment from me.
I am asking those of you who have bought parts from him since November of last year to e-mail me with what you bought and what you paid for it. I will not try to recover the parts nor will I ask you tp pay for them again. I simply need this to turn over to the police so that they can go after him.
Some will say that I will not find out if they had bought something, but there is a ups shipment list with all the names and addresses of who he had shipped parts to. Please I ask don't be stupid and try to hide that you had purchased anything from him. I will find out and if I get no co-operation I will file to recover stolen priperty.
Please, Please, help me and nothing more will be ssaid.
Also do not purchase any more items from Teryy Owens as they are stolen and I am out to recover the rest of my equipment and tool boxes and any parts he has taken with him.
I also found out that with proof of taking all this across state line it becomes a federal offense.
Thanks for your co-operation.
George I. Miller

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Who is terry owens, is he part of this forum. just wondering so i dont purchease anything from him.

Thanx
randy

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Wasnt his screen name tgowens? or something???

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Yes that is him and he sells a lot on ebay. He has claimed not to work for me for the past year but in reality he was an employee here.
Please don't purchase anything from him.
Thanks

I think I bought an intake tube (the one that runs from the filter box to the manifold) from him a while back for $20. I don't remember who I bought it from but it might have been him.

-Charlie

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What was his ebay screen name or email address he used?

Loyde

Is this for real? If it is true, it will be hard for him to hide unless he leaves the country. Most everyone in the Fiero community knows him. Mostly, from his involvement in the new Fiero organization. I have met him at the FOCOA Nationals. I hope you are wrong. If not, he has a lot of explaining to do.

Thankfully, I have not purchased any parts from him. I did see his auctions on e-bay, but the starting bids were a little higher that I was willing to bid. Plus, I did not need those parts.

Good luck recovering your lost merchandise.
Paul

Well I've always heard there are at least two sides to every story. From what I've seen in some previous posts I believe there will be a very different account of this one eventually.

I wouldn't get too excited just yet... It's probably a good idea to hold off buying anything from tgowens right now though.

quote Originally posted by fieroshop: He has claimed not to work for me for the past year but in reality he was an employee here.

Hey George, I don't want to stir things up any more then they presently are, But I recall several times when Terry asserted on the forum that he was not an employee but merely an associate of yours. These were threads that you also posted on, so I know you were aware of him making those statements. Yet at no time do I recall you refuting those statements. I personally don't see what diffence that makes if he did indeed steal from you. But you are the one banging that drum, and you sound off beat to me.

If Terry was an employee, as you have repeatedly stated, then I assume that you have a signed I-9, W-4 and have been carrying workers compensation insurance?

Again, I don't think the exact relationship between y'all has any bearing on the right and wrong of this situation. I'm just curious as to why it is such a big deal now?

I have met Terry several times. He is a great guy as far as I'm concerned. I haven't been following the threads too closely about this, but as stimpy(and others) pointed out, there are always two sides. I haven't bought anything from Terry(or received anything from him). He has always been a great guy to know, and I have a hard time believing Terry would "pack up and take George's stuff just 'cause George ain't there".

I never followed the FieroShop clutch fiasco much either(and I don't want this thread taking any of those courses), but seeing how all sorts of crap was flying(and I think George revoked the warranty from all of his clutches afterwards; warranty wasn't on the website anylonger), I wonder slightly about George and "his" stuff being stolen.

This post like the other one smells rancid. I am sure that there are two side to this story, and I am interested in hearing the other. Good luck in recovering your stuff.

Wow, I'm really glad I've never done business with Terry *or* George.

quote Please I ask don't be stupid and try to hide that you had purchased anything from him. I will find out and if I get no co-operation I will file to recover stolen priperty.

Wow, sounds like a threat to me...

Nope, I can pretty safely say that I'll never do business with either one of them. I feel sorry for you California guys having to deal with this stuff in your own neck of the woods...

I've dealt with terry several times in the past. I know I've sold him some tint kits and maybe some other stuff. I can't recall If I have ever bought anything from him though. But he always seemed like a decent guy. I hope whatever has happened between the two of you gets straightened out though.
Best of luck, it's hard to trace parts.

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Im not sure how he will be able to claim or recover stolen property that is out of his local police's jurisdiction, and if he is able to reclaim the property,how will he be able to prosecute without extradition? Finally, I could guess that not all that was taken was shipped by UPS and could have been picked up locally.

quote Originally posted by avengador1: Im not sure how he will be able to claim or recover stolen property that is out of his local police's jurisdiction, and if he is able to reclaim the property,how will he be able to prosecute without extradition? Finally, I could guess that not all that was taken was shipped by UPS and could have been picked up locally.

...and to add to what Avengador1 said, you would have to prove the stuff was stolen in the first place. I am sure the other guy (Terry) will say differently. So am I to assume just because you say so that it is true? You make it sound as if everything that Terry has sold has been your personal property, and he sold it without your approval. I am also glad that I have not dealt with either of them. Stuff like this gives respectable Fiero small businesses bad names.

What's his E~Bay name or email addy??? I NEED TO KNOW SO I CAN JUST MAYBE RETRACT SOME OF THE BID'S I HAVE THERE NOW!!!!!!!!

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That sucks. Has Terry posted here recently to explain himself?

He seemed like such a nice guy. I haven't bought anything from him. Have bought from allot of other great fiero forum users though.

So while someone's rep is getting thoroughly trashed when they can't defend themselves, what becomes of the accuser IF the accusations turn out to be total bullshit?

I'm going to wait until I hear "The rest of the story" Before I pass judgement on any of the above alledged crimes. As for threatening other members:
Please I ask don't be stupid and try to hide that you had purchased anything from him. I will find out and if I get no co-operation I will file to recover stolen priperty.

You must prove the item was yours. (used parts are hard to do that with unless a VIN was on the part) As for UPS, what if he used regular U.S. mail? or Priority mail? UPS also doesn't always have a description of the package contents. So what if he sold a music CD to someone and you think it's a Fiero part? Also threatening members to come to your aid isn't going to improve your business.

quote Originally posted by stimpy: So while someone's rep is getting thoroughly trashed when they can't defend themselves, what becomes of the accuser [b]IF the accusations turn out to be total bullshit?[/B]

DXR_DAD

I'm gonna put in my $.02 on this whole thing this time. Just a few days ago George had a thread going on this same subject and he had so many negative comments that I was sure that he wished that he had never started that thread....... but instead of realizing that no one felt sorry for him, he just starts a new thread. It sure seems like the Fiero related businesses on the West Coast just seem he11 bent on self destruction.

I feel that both of these guys have repeatedly lied to us PFF members. They both misrepresented their true relationship and both even changed that story from time to time. I also know that both of them lied directly to me on one deal in particular.

The problem with lies is that it is sometimes hard to remember what your story was last time. The only good liars are those that can keep their story straight over the long term. Neither one of these guys are good liars.

I feel that they both deserve each other.

I, for one, am just dying to hear the other side of this story.

I, personally don't trust George even a little, he seems to be pretty good at attacking someone the day after that person is know to be out of Internet contact for a while. And we already know that "His Word" is only good as long as things are going good.

He must feel that if he can get a week's worth of trashing in before the other person has any input, he can win a discussion.

Given the advent of the Internet and the realitive smallness of the Fiero community, getting caught in lies is a sure way to ruin yourself.

IMHO, both of these guys are running towards "ruin".

Archie

i'm just gonna sit around and pass out donuts to all who want em

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again, as i said before, there is definitely something fishy about a business who would trash someone else (warranted or not) when they are incapable of defending themselves and giving their side of the story. i will definitely not be doing any business with the fieroshop (not that i had planned to anyway). i can't say the same about terry as i haven't heard his side of all of this yet.

galen, if you have a boston creme, i'll take one

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quote Originally posted by Galen: i'm just gonna sit around and pass out donuts to all who want em OOOOOOO! Me want me want!

Geez Arch, you exaggerate stories and trash people all the time, and it seems to have turned you into some sort of demi-god around here...

quote Originally posted by fieroshop: I am asking those of you who have bought parts from him since November of last year to e-mail me with what you bought and what you paid for it....I simply need this to turn over to the police so that they can go after him....but there is a ups shipment list with all the names and addresses of who he had shipped parts to.

So if you have a UPS shippment list of everything he sent out why dont you hand THAT over to the police? I really dont like the way you threaten people here or how you post any of this on the Forum. I think it is about time to hear the other side of this story.

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Well, I wasn't going to mention the thinly veiled threat, but since others did... Fiero Shop, if you have UPS receipts I assume that means the stuff was shipped from your shop. If that's the case there's really nothing you can do to anyone else unless you can prove they knew it was stolen. It would be no different than if you bought something at Wal Mart and the clerk pocketed your cash.

I'm going to speculate that the whole problem here centers around tgowens employee or not relationship. I suspect it's all verbal with no taxes, FICA, etc. and there is a disagreement about what is owed. Maybe even some sort of informal partership with a dispute over what belongs to whom. I really think this will be a case for civil court at best, not a criminal matter.

Of course I could be totally wrong... The only thing I know about any of this is what I've read on this forum (and between the lines). I've never talked to or bought from anybody involved. I just thought I'd throw out some speculation while we're waitin' for tgowens to get back and defend himself and munchin' on our donuts.

I bought a set of 6 lucas 305 injectors from him, about november or december, somewhere around that time. let me know what you wanna do.

matthew

quote Originally posted by fieroshop: I am asking those of you who have bought parts from him since November...

What is the significance of November? What happened then that relates to this? If things were not fine & dandy, then why the post on December 21st that you were leaving the shop operations to someone else, and then the post on December 27th that you were no longer associated with the Fiero Shop? (I cannot find the post where you said you were taking charge again)

I have no opinion, I'm just requesting more information. You said November, there must be some reason for that being important.

hey galen i'll take one with sprinkles if you got one

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I agree 100% with Stimpy.How many of you know that Terry is a web site designer and may or may not need to "work" for George.He made my signature as well as many others on this forum for no other reason than we asked him to.

Amen, DXR_DAD / Archie.

As far as me buying from Terry. Maybe I did, maybe I didn't. You figure it out, Mr. UPS log-man.

**yawn**

Wake me up when it's over ....

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Boomtastic

quote I feel sorry for you California guys having to deal with this stuff in your own neck of the woods...

quote Don't worry, Like I said it's not a Cali. thing!!!! It's Fieroshop/George BS!!!!

Oh, I know it's not everybody in Cali... don't worry - I just hate that you guys over there have to deal with this sort of crap in your own backyard.

The real tragedy would be if Terry sold any of those 500 HP clutches to anyone.

quote Originally posted by Spyro86SE: hey galen i'll take one with sprinkles if you got one

Screw the donuts. Anyone got some Scotch? This s**t is giving me a headache.

I don't want any donut's ...JUST tgowens EBAY NAME !!!!!! Fieroshop... you know it don't you???