I like all the fiero's
any year. and still get a warm fuzzy feeling everytime I see one on the street and I gota tell people look look at that it's a fiero !
I do prefer the fastback, though I own a notchback.
I wonder what a fastback with a 84 notchback bumper would look like ?
yea and it's funny that some of these people claim to be fiero enthusest yet they trash other people's fiero's or anyfiero not made in there year with a v6/fastback or somthing like that.

Hmm... I could start up and reply my opinion to those who tried to state things as facts, rather than personal opinions, but like previously mentioned, we're supposed to be like a family here. I consider myself a Fiero Enthusist. I love all fieros, I may have a preference to one or another, but that doesn't mean its not still a fiero. I've had my 86 SE, now I have my 84 SE. I have had just as much fun in my 84 as the 86. I personally like the seats better. I like the 'racing' stripe type look and speakers in the headrests. I like the light gray colored dash. The things I like most are shared thoughout the years, the things that make our cars what they are. Mid engine, rear wheel drive, 2 seater, sexy cars. All of them.

I don't need to respond to the idiot posts directed towards me earlier in this thread

1984 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am HO 7.9 16.1

1985 Ford Mustang GT 7.2 15.9

1984 Pontiac Fiero S/E 10.9 17.8

As you can see, it was quite a bit slower than the other sports cars out in 84, especially in the 0-60 range where it counts. I don't think in good shape it looks much worse than any of the later models.

Originally posted by fformula88: "Acura's RSX base model four banger is putting out 160 HP! That wasn't the case in 1984!"

Au contraire friend. Haven't you ever heard of the 84 Mustang svo? A friend of mine had one of these, I raced him one day with his top down and beat him by about a carlength (up to 80 or so). It didn't seem like he got the best start. Anyway, this was a 4 cylinder single turbo that made well more than 160 hp, and it was in 84!

1984 Ford Mustang SVO 7.9 15.8

[This message has been edited by BlackStang95 (edited 12-02-2001).]

Blackstang , Dont expect the numbers for an 84 to be as good as sports cars from that year. The 84 Fiero was a considered commuter car not sports. But then again I could be wrong.. i dunno..

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Well ya, if you compare a 2 seat 4 banger *sports* car against V8 *muscle* cars your going to notice some difference in numbers and times. Mustangs and Fbodys are a completely different car then any year fiero.

In most auto mags they would put fieros up against MR2's, Crx, VW's, ect. Basically sport compacts. They were smart enough to not to race it alongside a V8.

Im with Haze, im getting pissed at people flaming a fiero. All fieros look a like. Interior and out. Its just like the vw beetle. All of them are exactly the same. I love all of the years. The only thing is, each year had their own little upgrades.

When your stating that the 84 sucks, then why should the fiero even exist. Your bashing the entire hobby that the fiero is based on. Should we just destroy all the nonpretty fieros and have less on the road? Like how the white man killed all the buffallo?

The first fiero was designed to be an economy car. So their plan wasn't to make it fast. They did have ideas to put a v6 turbo in it back in 83. We cant say the designers didn't want the fiero to be badass. Its whoever controls what comes out of GM.

When people say, the first fiero wasn't fast, its cause it wasn't a sportscar by design. Lets go drag race a ford festiva and see if it was designed to be quick.

Blackstang, the svo stangs are a quick car if the boost was increased and an intercooler was added. I know people who can beat 5.0s off the line. I got the tbird turbo, its the same engine except higher boost and an intercooler from the factory. Thats 190hp. It was the 4th or 5th highest top speed car in 87, 140mph. The grandnational had a speedlimiter so it wasn't too fast because of its speedrated tires. The vette came in first with the stang camaro following.

We cant compare 16year old cars with ones being made today. Cars in the 80s usually came with less then 160hp from the factory. Most of todays cars are having less then 250hp. 4cylinders that are making 190hp compared to a fiero making 92 back in 84.

But to all those people that bash the 84, you just hurt the hobby and the euthusiasts that support fieros.

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Fiero Technician

74 Vw Beetle
83 Honda Nighthawk 550
84 Pontiac Fiero
87 Ford Thunderbird Turbo

Selling a car is like giving your own kid for adoption.

Now their is one thing I like about the 84's! speakers in the headrests. That's got to rock!

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But common we all know we'd take a fastback gt over any old 84, i woulden't care if it had a v8 or not id still take a stock 88 gt over it, they give the word "fiero" a bad name people in my school say ahh man fiero's are ugly , i take them outside and they say damn do you have abody kit on that? , it's because they see these little ugly 2m4s kicken around and it gives the others a bad rep , even with the fire thing and all

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1986 Fiero SE 2.8lv6

www.geocities.com/acme_s2000/intro.html
yo_sweet!

FYI firstfiero 85's had headrest speakers also. 85GTs are just like you 86SE (im assuming thats what your fiero is by the pic).

I knew they were the exact same car with a different label but I didn't know they had the speakers in the seats. Good info....wonder how hard it is to change seats and wire them up?

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quote Originally posted by firstfiero: I knew they were the exact same car with a different label but I didn't know they had the speakers in the seats. Good info....wonder how hard it is to change seats and wire them up?

It's very easy to install headrest speaker seats in a 86-up.. Its installing panel speakers in a 84/85 thats hard.. (Lots of cutting)

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1984 Indy For Sale ~ Click Here

Whats wrong with a 2M4????

i want to know what's up with yo_sweet.. every one of his posts have been flames lately??? WTF
but anyway.. i find the 84's to be nice, and i dont' think they are ugly. The fire problem is wierd because it isn't a problem with the design of the fiero, it was just the engine. Its wierd that it got attached to the fiero name when it was simply a isolated rod problem in the engines?? interesting really.

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NOCONES
-84 2M4
-4.10 4-speed
-SCCA sollo II

Addmit it... it's just as much fun alone... Solo II

I wouldn't take a fastback over a notchback, I like them both about the same (I have one of each), in fact if I had to sell one it would be my fastback. Of course these are my personal opinions.
BTW Blackstang, who cares about special edition mustangs, this is a sports car forum, not a drag strip. Go get a sports car. I'd hate to see handling numbers for 84 stangs!

You know, I don't notice much difference between my 85 2M4 and the 1st. I like mine, it runs great, has 180,000 miles on it, and I have a lot of future plans for it. No rust, body strait, and good running is all you need to start the great project no matter what year it is.

quote Originally posted by yo_sweet: But common we all know we'd take a fastback gt over any old 84

nope I wouldn't. i would never trade my 84 for any other Fiero. I would like a GT someday, also, but not instead of.

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Jaime
AOL IM: Jaygee79 ICQ: 85931334

84's are ugly and slow? You do know that they look just like the 85 and 86 coupes, don't you? Except for the decklid, you really can't tell. And that 4.10 4spd is faster than you might think. As someone stated before, it probably could jump out ahead against an auto GT. I don't really like the way that the factory painted the black parts on the front and rear bumpers (BTW, those are not rubber pads, it's the same material that the bumper is made from) but that can be painted. I think my 86 sport coupe looks pretty good like that, although I wish the paint wasn't faded and it was lowered. But some of you guys need to settle down. Chill out.

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-Adam
sqoach@yahoo.com

86 SE V6 - daily driver

86 Sport Coupe 2.5L 5spd (soon to be sold)

I'll state my facts as I know em(for bs :bs . Mustangs, Camaros, and T/A's are not sports cars. They are classed as Muscle cars. remove head from ass then speak.

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Ray - Fierolinks

quote Originally posted by yo_sweet: But common (sic) we all know we'd take a fastback gt over any old 84, i woulden't care if it had a v8 or not id still take a stock 88 gt over it, they give the word "fiero" a bad... (blah blah blah)

Well, I for one, then, would like to be the first to apologize for giving Fieros a bad name. Perhaps someone would like to trade me a nice, pretty, mid-16 second quarter mile GT for my ugly little coupes?

Nahhhhh...

Hartz

'84 SC 5.7L V8
'85 SE 3.1L V6 Turbo
hartzfeld.home.mindspring.com

Hartz, I'll give you my 88 for that 84 SC 5.7l V8 coupe

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Ray - Fierolinks

And that 4.10 4spd is faster than you might think. As someone stated before, it probably could jump out ahead against an auto GT.

thats sad if its true, cuz even with the 4.10 they got about 11 seconds to 60.

And the muscle car died in the early 70's.

blackstang... my point was base model four bangers today put out a lot more power than they did in 1984. The SVO was not a "base model". Using my example, the Type-S has 200 HP (although torque seems MIA! ) and its still naturally aspirated. In a year or two an RSX with more power is going to debut. Honda's S2000 is putting out 240 HP from a naturally aspirated four, although its a bit pricey. These versions would be more in line with a comparison to the SVO. Base Stangs didn't dump their 4 cyl's until the 90's if I am not mistaken... and they aren't very fast either.

I am also not sure comparisons to a V8 car are all that fair either. The 2.5L also managed to find its way into Firebirds back then. I bet the fiero with the same engine and less weight toasted those cars.

Numbers arn't everything. With a few little mods, an 84 4.10 can get under 10secs 0-60. A thread comes up here once and a while with someone *itching about how there auto GT is so slow.

Now an auto 84 duke... Ya, thats slow!

The auto DIS dukes arn't that slow. My old 88 coupe auto was about 10secs 0-60. This was all stock also.

MY 84 was doing mid 8 second 0-60 times after the new motor.. but it now has a hole in the exhast manifold, so lots of low end torque is gone, but it still manages right around 9.7 0-60.. for a car rated at 10.9 that ain't bad...
Blackstang.. you need to get a life other than taking such and such quote out of such and such magazine as absolute be all end all information. Cars performance can vary, some are faster than tested, some slower.. the 84 fieros seem quicker than they where tested.. we know the 85-88 GT's where they are consistently ate least a second off.

quote Originally posted by FieroMaster88: All you Fiero bashers make me sick... Your precious little GT & V6's are still the same thing. FIEROS!! You can't honestly step back & look at a Coupe or a GT & say one is ugly and one is beautiful... Get some professional help!!! I third that!

I don't agree with that. In my opinion the fastbacks look more modern and up to date. The 84's aren't that bad looking, but they do look more outdated than the fastback unless you modify it like Tina's fiero. I'm not putting down ANY fieros, but what I"m saying is there is a BIG difference between the fastbacks and 84's and that you CAN say one is ugly and one is beautiful. But everyone has their own preferences as to which one they like more. And I think it's safe to assume that most ppl feel that the fastbacks are better looking.

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Heck my first was an 84 black coupe, cracked windshield, faded paint, bad tires, 54,000 miles.

Interior was perfect and other then that it just needed a paint job I got new tires for it, windshield and to think it only cost me $1000.

The 4 cylinder even shouldn't even be compared to V8's for god sakes they made it as a commuter car and 85 they had something up their sleeves a V6. Then the new design came out later 86 GT thats when I think they knew they were heading for the sports car line.

Hell I'd take an 84 over most of the crappy cars out there today.. I mean I just don't care for the looks the Grand-am, Aztek, Rondavou. It looks like junk!

Only new cars I care for are the vette, bmw's, mercedes and the new caddy's. The rest of them have this cartoonish figure to them.

Not to mention people rag on our cars for being plastic/fiberglass well hmm what are todays cars becoming?! go figure.

I say this stats are crap.. you want to see how fast a car is race it yourself, if I went by the 2.8 stats I would have never raced any car. The 97 Grand-Prix GTP sported a 6.6 how did my formula with the 2.8 manage to beat it with the 7.7 times? odd isn't it.. just tired of everyone flaming the damn car! its a wonderful lil car and stats are junk in my mind.

I'll never sell it because they aren't a dime a dozen on the road, its unique and its a shame GM killed it, but hey if they were still making it everyone and their brother would most likely be driving one. Which in turn I'd be driving something else god knows what? but I know I would be.

-KC

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AIM: FierFormula88

I think the Fiero could've kept going if it weren't for the catching on fire thing. Who knows what would've happened? I'm guessing, it would've at least produced a V8, then be able to match a corvette or at least a firebird. Damn, too bad you can't go back and take that part of history out. See how many people bought the 84 4 cylinder? Now imagine how well it would've done with the fastbacks v6 if there wasn't that damn fire incident to make ppl scared.

Well... The first 84 I drove in was an Indy my parents had just bought. Come to find out it had been sititng 3 months prior to the sale and had dead leaves on the motor. Soooo driving down the highway they ignite, luckily we had water to put the flames out. First time ever in an 84 too, didnt even last 35 mins hehehe
No that that was the cars fault though

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If it aint low, it aint show.

Can you say... '74 Mustang II, 4 banger???

4 bangar Fiero's weren't that slow for their time.

Just compared to cars now-a-days they are.

Just like Mustangs and Corvettes from the mid-80's are slow compared to current models.

My first fiero was an 84 and was given to me. Had to put a bit of work into it but the car runs great now. Last summer I had the tranny changed (after I lost a bearing in it ) and now running 3:32 instead of a 4:10. It might be slow to pick up speed but I garuantee that I can keep up with anyone at high speeds. I average 140KM on the highways out here(401) and I know I've hit 160km, but haven't had the nerve to see how much more I can push her. Odometer just turned 3000000KM last week. Maybe once I get the black GT on the road, I might try, this way I have a car to fall back on if the engine goes Car still has it's factory paint on it.

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Where there's a Willie, there's a way!

red 84 coupe (running)
white 85GT (not)
black 85GT (almost)

Willie.. :-)

I still think a GT fastback with the 84 nose would be the best looking. They did get the bad rap in 84, and thats what people will remember.

1st rule of new car buyers=never ever buy a car during its first year of production, way too many bugs to work out. Even the high n mighty 55 Chevy got bad press for excessive oil burning when introduced with its first OHV V-8. The cylinders were made too smooth and rings wouldnt seat. Cure was pouring Comet into the intake. I swear!!! Now look, the same basic engine is still around.

Ya know, I'm actually, in a way, glad that it has a bad rep for catchin on fire. That keeps the cost of the Fiero down for the time being. People that don't know anything about the Fiero, assume they all catch fire and don't want to even go near one. <p>Everyone here knows though, that it's long been past that. If people did know that all didn't catch fires and did research about the car, then the demand might go up, like it's beginning to now. Simple rule of business. High demand, low volume = High price.