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A Factory Blue 85 SE Has Been Found! by 88 Database Nut
Started on: 09-14-2001 08:57 PM
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Report this Post09-17-2001 05:17 PM Click Here to See the Profile for MinnGreenGTClick Here to visit MinnGreenGT's HomePageSend a Private Message to MinnGreenGTDirect Link to This Post
Had trouble with my email this morning... this is the CarFax Report- cleaner than the one for my car!

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Your
CARFAX
Vehicle History Report
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CARFAX VEHICLE HISTORY REPORT SUMMARY
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* GOOD NEWS!
Carfax search results confirm this 1985 Pontiac Fiero SE
(1G2PF3791FP230458) qualifies for the $5,000 Carfax Clean Title History
Guarantee. By ordering this Carfax Report, you have significantly reduced
your risk of purchasing a vehicle with a costly hidden problem.

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Sect.# Section Name Section Results
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1 Vehicle Specifications 1G2PF3791FP230458
1985 Pontiac Fiero SE
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2 Title Check Clean Title History Guaranteed
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3 Odometer Rollback Check No Odometer Rollback Detected
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4 Problem Check No Problems Found
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5 Registration Check Checked 7 types of vehicle
registrations
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6 Vehicle History Details 4 Total Vehicle History Records Found
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NOTE: Carfax has not inspected this vehicle. It may have problems that
have not been reported to Carfax.
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How Carfax analyzed this vehicle's history:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Carfax checks the VIN against its nationwide database containing
over 1.51 billion vehicle history records. The Carfax database
includes U.S. and Canadian title and registration activity, rental and
lease usage, odometer readings from inspection stations, auto auctions
and other sources.

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SECTION 1 CARFAX VEHICLE SPECIFICATIONS
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Vehicle ID: 1G2PF3791FP230458
Yr/Mfg: 1985 Pontiac Fiero SE
Model: Fiero SE
Body: 2D Cpe. 2-seat car
Engine: 2.8L V6 FI
Fuel: Gasoline
Driveline: Rear-wheel drive
Aspiration: Normal
Country Mfg.: United States

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SECTION 2 TITLE CHECK
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* RESULT: GOOD NEWS!
Carfax search results confirm this 1985 Pontiac Fiero SE
(1G2PF3791FP230458) qualifies for the $5,000 Carfax Clean Title History
Guarantee. Carfax analyzed this vehicle's title history to determine if
any title documents were designated or marked with the following problems:

Problems Checked: Results:
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Salvage/Junk Title-------------------> Checked - No Problem Found.
Rebuilt/Reconstructed Title----------> Checked - No Problem Found.
Flood Damage Title-------------------> Checked - No Problem Found.
Damage Disclosure--------------------> Checked - No Problem Found.
Manufacturer Buyback (LEMON)---------> Checked - No Problem Found.
Exceeds Mechanical Limits Title------> Checked - No Problem Found.
Not Actual Mileage Title-------------> Checked - No Problem Found.

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SECTION 3 ODOMETER ROLLBACK CHECK
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* RESULT: GOOD NEWS!
Carfax search results on this 1985 Pontiac Fiero SE
(1G2PF3791FP230458) did not uncover a potential odometer rollback. Carfax
analyzed this vehicle's reported odometer readings to determine if any
reading is less than a previously reported reading.


Date Reported: Odometer Reading:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
12/04/1992 49,280
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08/12/1993 53,611
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05/18/1999 127,154
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SECTION 4 PROBLEM CHECK
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* RESULT: GOOD NEWS!
Carfax search results on this 1985 Pontiac Fiero SE
(1G2PF3791FP230458) did not uncover any of the following problems:

Problems Checked: Results:
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Accident Records---------------------> Checked - No Problem Found.
Salvage Auction Records--------------> Checked - No Problem Found.
Failed Emissions Inspection----------> Checked - No Problem Found.
Fire Damage--------------------------> Checked - No Problem Found.
Crash Test Vehicle-------------------> Checked - No Problem Found.
Grey Market Vehicle------------------> Checked - No Problem Found.

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SECTION 5 REGISTRATION CHECK
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FYI: Carfax search results on this this 1985 Pontiac Fiero SE
(1G2PF3791FP230458) identify the types of state motor vehicle department
registrations, other than private, that appear in this vehicle's history.

Registrations Checked: Results:
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Lease--------------------------------> No Lease Registration Found.
Rental-------------------------------> No Rental Registration Found.
Government---------------------------> No Government Registration Found.
Taxi---------------------------------> No Taxi Registration Found.
Fleet--------------------------------> No Fleet Registration Found.
Commercial---------------------------> No Commercial Registration Found.
Non-Profit---------------------------> No Non-Profit Registration Found.

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SECTION 6 VEHICLE HISTORY DETAILS
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The Carfax database contains a total of 4 vehicle history records on this
1985 Pontiac Fiero SE (1G2PF3791FP230458).
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Date: 12/09/1992
Odometer Reading: 49,280
Information Source:
Florida Motor Vehicle Dept.
Stuart, FL
Title #42840051
General Comments:
Title issued
Odometer reading recorded on 12/04/1992
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Date: 08/20/1993
Information Source:
Florida Motor Vehicle Dept.
Jensen Beach, FL
Title #42840051
General Comments:
Title issued
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Date: 03/12/1998
Odometer Reading: 53,611
Information Source:
Florida Motor Vehicle Dept.
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Title #0042840051
General Comments:
Title issued
Odometer reading recorded on 08/12/1993
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Date: 05/18/1999
Odometer Reading: 127,154
Information Source:
Georgia Inspection Station
Cumming, GA
General Comments:
Passed emissions inspection
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NOTE: You have significantly reduced your risk of purchasing a vehicle with
a hidden problem. However, Carfax has not inspected this vehicle. There
could be other potential problems with this vehicle that have not been
reported to Carfax.

NOTE: Not all titles issued represent a change in vehicle ownership. For
example, a title could be issued to reflect an address change or correction.


+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|THE CARFAX $5,000 CLEAN TITLE HISTORY GUARANTEE |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| |
|A Three-Year, Transferable Protection Plan |
| |
|Carfax's $5,000 Guarantee confirms this 1985 Pontiac Fiero SE |
|(1G2PF3791FP230458) has a Clean Title History. This certificate is valid |
|for three years from date of issue, and is transferable! |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|$5,000 CLEAN TITLE HISTORY GUARANTEE TERMS: |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
|VIN: 1G2PF3791FP230458 |
|Yr./Make/Model: 1985 Pontiac Fiero SE |
|Issue Date: 09/17/2001 |
|Expiration Date: 09/17/2004 |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|Three-year Protection Plan: |
|During the next three years, should you discover a problem title in this |
|vehicle's history which was not included in this Carfax Report, Carfax |
|will pay you 10% of the vehicle's wholesale value up to $5,000! |
| |
|Transferable Protection: |
|This Guarantee is transferable should you sell this vehicle prior to the |
|Guarantee expiration date. The new owner receives the same protection |
|plan coverage for the balance of the Guarantee's term. |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|Carfax agrees to pay to the holder of this report 10% of the wholesale |
|value of the car, up to $5,000, if Section 2 of this report indicates a |
|Clean Title History and a Problem Title actually exists for this vehicle.|
|A Problem Title is defined as a passenger motor vehicle ownership |
|document issued by the state that bears the word or symbol signifying |
|that the vehicle was salvaged or junked; rebuilt or reconstructed; flood |
|damaged; disclosed as damaged; bought back by the manufacturer; odometer |
|exceeds mechanical limits; odometer was not the actual mileage; or any |
|other symbol or word of like kind. Guarantee Certificate along with |
|corresponding full report must be presented in order to be eligible for |
|payment. |
| |
|FOR COMPLETE CLEAN TITLE HISTORY GUARANTEE TERMS AND CONDITIONS, |
|please visit http://www.carfax.com/cfm/hctermsanddef.cfm. |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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CARFAX GLOSSARY OF TERMS and DEFINITIONS
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AUTO AUCTION - Auto auctions provide Carfax with odometer readings of
vehicles brought to the auction for sale (and whether or not it sold). It is
common practice for vehicles to be wholesaled at auctions.

DAMAGE DISCLOSURE TITLE - The title issued when the seller indicates that
the vehicle has sustained damage as a result of one or more incidents. The
amount of damage varies by state.

DATE REPORTED - Refers to the date when the transaction occurred.

DEALER SERVICE COMPANY - Dealer Service Companies assist auto dealers manage
their inventories. These companies offer data services in the areas of mass
marketing, maintenance notification, unit labeling and advertising. Not all
dealer service companies report information to Carfax.

EMISSIONS INSPECTIONS - Many states or counties require annual or biennial
emissions inspections. Odometer readings are collected at the time of the
inspection.

EXCEEDS MECHANICAL LIMITS - When the seller certifies, under the Truth in
Mileage Act, that the odometer reading EXCEEDS MECHANICAL LIMITS of the
odometer, usually 99,999 miles.

EXEMPT VEHICLE - The vehicle is over 10 years old, was manufactured before
1986, and is exempt from odometer reporting requirements.

FAILED EMISSIONS INSPECTION - The tests and inspections performed at a
specific emissions check indicated the vehicle was emitting more than
allowable emissions standards and/or had missing or modified parts. An
emissions failure, even if the vehicle passes at a future date, generates a
Failed Emissions Record in the Carfax database.

FLEET MANAGEMENT COMPANY - Fleet Management Companies provide the management
of financing, insurance, maintenance and repair of fleet vehicles owned by
other businesses. Fleet companies are typically self- insured. Vehicles that
have sustained varying degrees of damage have been reported to Carfax,
however not all fleet management companies report information to Carfax.

FLOOD DAMAGE TITLE - States issue flood titles when a vehicle has been in a
flood or has received extensive water damage.

GENERAL COMMENTS - Carfax reports display important information in the
General Comment section, including potential problems for each transaction.
Comments will vary, depending on the source of the information.

INFORMATION SOURCE - Refers to the provider or origin of the transaction.
There are several sources you may see on a report including Motor Vehicle
Department, Auto Auctions, Salvage Auctions, and Emissions Inspection
Stations.

LEMON LAW VEHICLE - A vehicle with major problems which has been repurchased
by or had its price renegotiated with the manufacturer. The state marks its
official records or issues an identifying title for lemon law vehicles. Laws
vary by state as to the specific requirements for a "buyback."

LIEN - A lien is an ownership right to a piece of property. When a financial
institution loans money to someone purchasing a vehicle, the financial
institution has a lien on the vehicle. Other types of liens include
mechanics' liens and child support liens.

MOTOR VEHICLE DEPT. - Motor Vehicle Departments issue both titles and
registrations to a vehicle's owner. Each title or registration record which
appears on a Carfax report does not necessarily indicate a change in
ownership. New titles and registrations can be created for name, address and
lienholder changes; ownership changes; vehicle status changes; registration
activity; title corrections; and lost titles.

NOT ACTUAL MILEAGE - When the seller certifies, under the Truth in Mileage
Act, that the odometer reading is NOT ACTUAL MILEAGE. This may occur because
the disclosed odometer reading was not accurate and verifiable.

ODOMETER ROLLBACK - If a more recent odometer reading is less than an older
reading, then the odometer may have been "rolled back."

REBUILT/RECONSTRUCTED TITLE - The vehicle sustained damage and was rebuilt
or reconstructed, then placed back on the road.

REPOSSESSION - When a repossession occurs a vehicle owner fails to make loan
payments, and the financial institution holding the title takes possession
of the vehicle.

SALVAGE AUCTION RECORD - Vehicles that are sold at salvage auctions. These
vehicles have been declared a total loss by an insurance company, are
recovered stolen vehicles, or have been repossessed.

SALVAGE/JUNK TITLE - States issue salvage titles when an insurance company
takes possession of a vehicle as a result of a claim. This generally occurs
after a vehicle has been declared a total loss. States issue junk titles to
indicate that a vehicle is not road worthy and cannot be titled again in
that state.

SERVICE PLAN COMPANY - Service Plan Companies market extended warranty plans
to buyers of both new and used cars as mechanical breakdown insurance.
Information is collected from service plan companies when they issue
contracts and when they pay repair claims. Not all service plan companies
report information to Carfax.

TITLE ISSUED - A state issues a title to provide a vehicle owner with proof
of ownership. Each title has a unique number. Each title or registration
record which appears on a Carfax report does not necessarily indicate a
change in ownership.

TOTAL LOSS - An insurance company declares a vehicle a total loss when
paying a claim for the full value of the vehicle. Insurance companies
typically take possession and obtain the title of such vehicles.

VEHICLE ID NO. - This 17 character number is unique to each vehicle. It
identifies characteristics of the vehicle, including manufacturer, year,
model, body, engine specifications, and serial number.
http://www.carfax.com

WARRANTY DISCLAIMER
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CARFAX DEPENDS ON ITS SOURCES FOR THE ACCURACY AND RELIABILITY OF ITS
INFORMATION. THEREFORE, NO RESPONSIBILITY IS ASSUMED BY CARFAX OR ITS AGENTS
FOR ERRORS OR OMISSIONS IN THIS REPORT. CARFAX FURTHER EXPRESSLY DISCLAIMS
ALL WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING ANY IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF
MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
CARFAX®

Generated 17.Sep.2001 10:36 www.carfax.com
Copyright © 2001 Carfax, Inc., an R.L. Polk & Co. All rights reserved.
09/17/2001 09:36:25


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Report this Post09-17-2001 09:07 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 88 Database NutSend a Private Message to 88 Database NutDirect Link to This Post
MinnGreenGT Thanks for posting that! So, it's been down in Florida since 1992, how about that? And it only had 49000 miles in 1992, so it wasn't driven too hard at that point. It's got 145k now, and probably no more.

Concerning unusual paints, there's a thread on the fiero list right now (fiero-list@fiero.org) concerning fiero paint options. In the middle of the discussion there, someone posted the various colors for each year, AND mentioned that in 1985 there were FIVE EXPERIMENTAL COLOR cars produced! He goes on to speculate as to whether one was blue....

Small Fiero World sometimes!

Stay tuned for pictures, but don't expect too much, this poor car is a sad sight now.

JW

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Report this Post09-18-2001 10:02 AM Click Here to See the Profile for RaydarSend a Private Message to RaydarDirect Link to This Post
John,

I'm not gonna be at the RFTH, but I suspect that Don Hulse will be there. If you can give the pics to him, I can pick them up. I l live fairly close.

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Report this Post09-18-2001 10:57 AM Click Here to See the Profile for CoolBlue87GTSend a Private Message to CoolBlue87GTDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by 88 Database Nut:
Stay tuned for pictures, but don't expect too much, this poor car is a sad sight now.

JW


Here's an idea. You could take the photo's you have to almost any photo shop and they could scan it and they can put it on a disk.

After that, if you don't know how to use PIP, you could e-mail & attach the file.

If you get that far, I could help you get it on PIP & loaded for us all to see.

Let me know what ya think. Good luck.

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Report this Post09-20-2001 09:41 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 88 Database NutSend a Private Message to 88 Database NutDirect Link to This Post
Guys and Gals,

Due to some extra-ordinary good luck, and the good graces of the owners of the junkyard, it appears that this little blue car WILL be saved! I won't believe it until it's sitting safely in Ed Parks' Fiero Factory, but it looks like it will happen. My Greatest Thanks to the Owners and Managers of this junkyard (which I will tell you all more about when this is all over) for cutting through the red-tape and making this very special exception. The car will be lovingly restored by Ed so that it's unique place in the Fiero History will be preserved for all to see. I can hardly believe we have saved it, and will not uncross my fingers until it's safe and sound.

In the meantime, thanks for all the great information from y'all, and you'll be hearing more about this in the near future.

Keep looking, they made 4 more 1985's in unusual colors, maybe they are in your neighborhood. Don't take anything for granted, because you just NEVER KNOW!!!

My Best To All,

John Willhoff 88 Database Nut (770) 578-6556 JWWillhoff@aol.com John.Willhoff@LMCO.com

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Report this Post09-21-2001 08:14 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Old LarSend a Private Message to Old LarDirect Link to This Post
John, thanks for the work in saving the car and luck in finding this rare car. Thanks too for Ed Parks for the restoration efforts.

Nice find.

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Report this Post09-21-2001 09:20 AM Click Here to See the Profile for RaydarSend a Private Message to RaydarDirect Link to This Post
WooooHoooo!!!
Way to go John! (and Ed!)

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Report this Post09-21-2001 09:51 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Fformula88Send a Private Message to Fformula88Direct Link to This Post
Congrats to you, Ed Parks and everyone who has lended an opinion or help! I am very glad to see this car will be saved instead of being turned into a small cube!

Such a special Fiero should be saved and I am also glad to hear it will be restored! Good work!

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Report this Post09-21-2001 10:23 AM Click Here to See the Profile for MinnGreenGTClick Here to visit MinnGreenGT's HomePageSend a Private Message to MinnGreenGTDirect Link to This Post
Congrats! It's good to see such a rare item saved from the scrapyard!
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Report this Post09-21-2001 11:11 AM Click Here to See the Profile for OcalaFieroSend a Private Message to OcalaFieroDirect Link to This Post
Hey can I have the front fascia off of it?.........Just kidding...heheh

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