My taste is definately for the first version, it is much more exotic to my eye.
If you end up making the car more along the lines of the second rev, I suspect you'll have a few of us wanting the *first* one too!!
Heh, like you need a few more projects Jim Have you thought about hiring anyone to help complete your ideas so you can go on to pulling more out of your head? I found a partner/engineer about a year ago, and it's been great. We have a real meeting of the minds, and I love to start, he loves to finish. Perfect!!
Best! Ben.
------------------ Ben Cannon 88 Formula, T-top Metalic Red 88 Formula, Silver 87 Coupe, Metalic Red "Every Man Dies, not every man really Lives" -Mel Gibson, "Braveheart"
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AusFiero Member
Posts: 11513 From: Dapto NSW Australia Registered: Feb 2001
Yeah I wish I could find somebody who could turn my designs into reality without me having to do it. I have found over the last few weeks why I got out of the fibreglass industry. Dirty smelly itchy stuff . Maybe when I start making some money off my ideas rather than spending money on them I may get someone else to do the hands on development.
This design is actually a one off for someone and the design went their way so to speak. Personally I like the first one too.
to each his own. i like them both. i just prefer the second. i think i would be after the width more than anything. but once again, to each his own note: the car is awesom looking
------------------ im looking for a inexpensive black standard fastback. does not have to run. does not have to look good. only the mid section needs to be dent free. the fenders,bumpers, dont have to be in good cond. faded paint is fine. anyone who has info, email me. grey interior would be nice but beggars cant be choosers
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07:43 PM
Sootah Member
Posts: 2457 From: St. George, Utah Registered: May 2001
Ausi, i have a great idea, you can kill two birds with one stone. take your rebody project, and this wide body project, and make them into one. would that be possible? it would look nice. don't know for sure. i know this thing is still in the design process. also, if you did make the wide body kit, would it be necesary to replace the entire back section? mainly speaking of the sail panels. just wondering, because if im going to have to do that anyways, i will stop looking for a fastback. and another thing, what do you think about the undercairage idea on my thread about a targa top? possible? it could be held on with two recessed bolts at each corner. or where the four best frame supports are. then it would serve two purposes, it would strengthen the frame, and prtect the underneath of the car. and if it were carbon fiber, it would be light, and rigid as hell. if it was about a half inch thick, it would be almost indestructable. let me know what you think.
------------------ im looking for a inexpensive black standard fastback. does not have to run. does not have to look good. only the mid section needs to be dent free. the fenders,bumpers, dont have to be in good cond. faded paint is fine. anyone who has info, email me. grey interior would be nice but beggars cant be choosers
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Sep 2nd, 2001
artherd Member
Posts: 4159 From: Petaluma, CA. USA Registered: Apr 2001
Hey all, just wanted to say I really like the car either way, just my personal preference for the first. Second rev looks killer too, and if it's what YOU want, that's what's most important! (it's your car after all!! :) The world is full of varied preferences, if we all liked exactly the same things the same ways, it would be one booring place!!
I have oft toyed with the idea of undercarriages under my Fiero, but for Aero reasons (cut the darned lift, maaaybe produce tiny downforce even...) Basically F355 style diffusor tunnels.
0.500" thick solid carbon would be insanely expensive. I mean several thousand dollars for the carbon sheet alone. Hollow or Al honeycomb core would be cheaper and lighter still. But it would have to be thick (~1"/25mm+) to be sufficently rigid.
Structuarlly, you can't beat a double-X-frame (this has an inset second removable 'X' so one can drop the fuel tank later ;)
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE carbonfibre, it's the second-greatest thing since sliced bread and I work with it every chance I get, but I think it's not really right for this one application.
Now; replacing the TOP on a fiero (say, on a 'chop' top? that would be intresting indeed :) Also replacing any body pannels made of the sagging plastic (front/rear fascias, DOOR pannels...) I'm working on it ;)
Best! Ben.
------------------ Ben Cannon 88 Formula, T-top Metalic Red 88 Formula, Silver 87 Coupe, Metalic Red "Every Man Dies, not every man really Lives" -Mel Gibson, "Braveheart"
how much structural integrity would you lose if you made it a layered carbon sheet? this would be a little easier to come by, and should still be pretty rigid. would it make it cheaper?
------------------ im looking for a inexpensive black standard fastback. does not have to run. does not have to look good. only the mid section needs to be dent free. the fenders,bumpers, dont have to be in good cond. faded paint is fine. anyone who has info, email me. grey interior would be nice but beggars cant be choosers
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05:39 PM
AusFiero Member
Posts: 11513 From: Dapto NSW Australia Registered: Feb 2001
Carbon fibre would be too expensive. Good old steel is much cheaper. You would need to use a unidirectional carbonfibre material for strength lengthwise then you would need another lawer of woven cloth for diagonal movement. I am only talking layers here. Not how many layers of each.
how about making the x brace out of carbonfibre. the less weight the better. i would still want an undercairage for it, but it could be a little thinner if the actual brace was seperate. im trying to build a supercar, and it will have to have light bracing for cornering purposes. i will probably be relocating the fuel tank into the front of the car. the less weight the better, i think i would rather go without the targa before i put a steel brace under the car. performance before looks. it doesn't matter what it looks like if it goes 200 mph
------------------ im looking for a inexpensive black standard fastback. does not have to run. does not have to look good. only the mid section needs to be dent free. the fenders,bumpers, dont have to be in good cond. faded paint is fine. anyone who has info, email me. grey interior would be nice but beggars cant be choosers
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05:58 PM
AusFiero Member
Posts: 11513 From: Dapto NSW Australia Registered: Feb 2001
Originally posted by BlackDragon: how about making the x brace out of carbonfibre. the less weight the better. i would still want an undercairage for it, but it could be a little thinner if the actual brace was seperate. im trying to build a supercar, and it will have to have light bracing for cornering purposes. i will probably be relocating the fuel tank into the front of the car. the less weight the better, i think i would rather go without the targa before i put a steel brace under the car. performance before looks. it doesn't matter what it looks like if it goes 200 mph
Well in that case I would be using a full carbonfibre bellypan for aerodynamics and strength God, what am I doing on the forum at this time of the morning. Must have breakfast.
------------------ im looking for a inexpensive black standard fastback. does not have to run. does not have to look good. only the mid section needs to be dent free. the fenders,bumpers, dont have to be in good cond. faded paint is fine. anyone who has info, email me. grey interior would be nice but beggars cant be choosers
