Since LED's are better then 5 times as effiicient as similar Incandescents, I highly doubt it will be pulling anywhere near half the amperage of normal headlights, even at twice the brightness. So, no wiring upgrades.
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Marvin McInnis Member
Posts: 11599 From: ~ Kansas City, USA Registered: Apr 2002
Wow. Those are even longer (182mm) than the Hella 90mm HID low beam modules (140mm), and the HID modules are already too long to use with Timo's (or perhaps anybody's) buckets without modifying the headlight doors substantially.
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yellowstone Member
Posts: 9299 From: Düsseldorf/Germany Registered: Jun 2003
Wow. Those are even longer (182mm) than the Hella 90mm HID low beam modules (140mm), and the HID modules are already too long to use with Timo's (or perhaps anybody's) buckets without modifying the headlight doors substantially.
Not so, I have F1F/Timo's buckets AND Hella HIDs...
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Marvin McInnis Member
Posts: 11599 From: ~ Kansas City, USA Registered: Apr 2002
In that case, I'd like to know how you did it. When I test fit them, with the modules adjusted as far forward as possible, the headlight doors wouldn't close completely due to interference with the rear of the D2S capsule. FWIW, I was using Timo's version 1 buckets.
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yellowstone Member
Posts: 9299 From: Düsseldorf/Germany Registered: Jun 2003
In that case, I'd like to know how you did it. When I test fit them, with the modules adjusted as far forward as possible, the headlight doors wouldn't close completely due to interference with the rear of the D2S capsule. FWIW, I was using Timo's version 1 buckets.
We'll have to ask Dean (whodeanie) as it was him who installed them. But I have the photos to prove it's possible...
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Mar 1st, 2012
Marvin McInnis Member
Posts: 11599 From: ~ Kansas City, USA Registered: Apr 2002
As you can see, I switched my Hella 90mm low beam modules to HID and left the high beam modules as Halogen. Not one singe fit problem using Timo's 1rst Gen. buckets. I rarely, if ever use the high beams, and the cut-off pattern, while just a wee bit "ragged" was certainly not objectionable and does NOT glare into oncoming drivers vision. If you check out my thread, you will see that I didn't have to modify the buckets or headlight doors for any fit issues. ------------------
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yellowstone Member
Posts: 9299 From: Düsseldorf/Germany Registered: Jun 2003
As you can see, I switched my Hella 90mm low beam modules to HID and left the high beam modules as Halogen.
Thanks for joining in, but we're talking apples and oranges here. You installed gray-market H9 HID "conversion" capsules into Hella 90mm halogen modules. What I want to use are the DOT-legal Hella 90mm HID modules, which use the industry-standard D2S HID capsules. You even noted in your build thread that the DOT-compliant HID module wouldn't fit.
Putting aside the issue of legality, I've done my own bench tests on H9 HID conversion capsules installed in the Hella 90mm Halogen modules and I found the results to be highly unsatisfactory. (I acknowledge that your installation may perform better than my test rig.) I've even posted pictures on PFF comparing the stock 90mm halogen module, the 90mm halogen module with an H9 HID conversion capsule installed, and one of the DOT-compliant 90mm HID modules. I'll see if I can find them and repost here.
For reference, here are the Susquehanna Motor Sports part numbers:
You even noted in your build thread that the DOT-compliant HID module wouldn't fit.
I did not make the statement that the Hella HID modules and the D2S HID capsules would not fit. "Synthesis" made that statement, yet I saw no evidence to support that, then or since. Your observations notwhithstanding, Kolja makes claim that they do indeed fit and operate properly, so we shall have to wait for installation details.
You are correct that my installation was the H9 conversion capsules into the Hella 90mm halogen modules. Given what I now know about the fit and clearances of MY installation and the dimensions given from the Hella drawings for the 90mm HID modules and D2S capsules, I think they might indeed fit, albeit *snugly*.... I'll await further details as they emerge.
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Mar 2nd, 2012
Marvin McInnis Member
Posts: 11599 From: ~ Kansas City, USA Registered: Apr 2002
Well, these are the one that went into my Fiero and they are Hella Xenon/HID 90mm modules:
Thanks for the confirmation. I will be interested to learn how Dean did it.
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I did not make the statement that the Hella HID modules and the D2S HID capsules would not fit. "Synthesis" made that statement, yet I saw no evidence to support that, then or since.
You are correct. I have edited my previous post.
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Given what I now know about the fit and clearances of MY installation and the dimensions given from the Hella drawings for the 90mm HID modules and D2S capsules, I think they might indeed fit, albeit *snugly*....
The drawing posted on the SMS web site for the 90mm HID module is incorrect; it is actually the drawing for the 90mm halogen module. The rear of the 90mm HID module I have is somewhat longer than its halogen counterpart.
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Posts: 3919 From: Monterey, CA Registered: Feb 2007
