Came across this website and they sell "high performance chips" for Fieros and other vehicles. The claim is up to a 7 mpg increase in mileage and 60 more horsepower. We'll with a good reprogram on a chip you might get 1 HP more but 60 is a very optimistic claim. No longer do we have to waste our money on manifolds, porting, cams, headers, high compression pistons, or turbocharging when we can just plug in 60 more horsepower for $69.00 with only 5 minutes worth of work ?
http://www.gfchips.com/pontiacfiero.aspx

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" THE BLACK PARALYZER" -87GT 3800SC Series III engine, ZZP Intercooler, 3.4" Pulley, N* TB, LS1 MAF, Flotech Exhaust Autolite 104's Custom CAI 4T65eHD w. custom axles, HP Tuners VCM Suite.
"THE COLUSSUS"
87GT - ALL OUT 3.4L Turbocharged engine, Garrett Hybrid Turbo, MSD ign., modified TH125H
" ON THE LOOSE WITHOUT THE JUICE "

Disclaimer:

Our claims of gains of fuel economy and power and performance found throughout this website is based on direct customer feedback and not actual tests. The advertising found throughout is based on claims provided by customers just like yourself, who purchased our product and reported back the gains. Actual results may vary, and are covered by a 100% money-back guarantee.

If you believe that, you likely also believe Al Gore.

Ain't gonna happen.

Arn

Now why would anyone bother testing when you can get much better numbers without testing?

Buy a 6 pack along with the chip and the performance doubles.

I emailed them, asking how this is possible. Interesting to see if they reply.

Ashamed to admit it, but years ago I purchased a "performance chip" when they were all the rage.

I'm not familiar with the formentioned chip. However, I did buy a "chip" (it was off of Ebay and I don't remember who the seller was) for a Jeep Cherokee I once owned years ago. What I received was a resistor to place in series with the intake air temp sensor. Basically, it was supposed to make the ECM richen the fuel system. It did nothing as far as performance but my fuel economy went down. Again, I'm not commenting on the chip being currently discussed because I'm not familiar with it and don't know these people. It's probably a wonderful product.

Should be obvious this is given they don't even ask which engine you want the chip for.

The word gullible is not in the dictionary.

edit; arr

[This message has been edited by weloveour86se (edited 09-18-2011).]

I "chipped" a 305 Firebird that I used to have. They also recommended a colder thermostat.
The thermostat didn't happen until the next weekend, and made more difference than the chip did.

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Raydar
88 Formula IMSA Fastback. 4.9, NVG T550

Praise the Lowered!

Bought 2 of them in case the first one fails.

The 18k ohm (.39 cents) Radio Shack resistor was what I got off of Ebay. And I only paid $20.00. Next time I'll make sure I buy an actual chip (PROM) like you.

Here's the "Guarantee" part that really cracks me up!

"GUARANTEED. Regardless of your driving style our chip will provide a substantial increase in performance in your PONTIAC FIERO. All of these benefits are achieved without disassembling your PONTIAC FIERO's ECU thereby preserving your factory warranty"

I want to meet the Fiero owner that still has a warranty!

But you're forgetting about their "Dyno Proven Results" for the Pontiac Fiero................................

quote Originally posted by katatak: Here's the "Guarantee" part that really cracks me up! "GUARANTEED. Regardless of your driving style our chip will provide a substantial increase in performance in your PONTIAC FIERO. All of these benefits are achieved without disassembling your PONTIAC FIERO's ECU thereby preserving your factory warranty" I want to meet the Fiero owner that still has a warranty!

And installed a chip without opening the ECU.

So I didn't have to swap in a 4.9 to get more performance?

Will the chip make my 2.8 or Duke sound like a V-8?

quote Originally posted by olejoedad: So I didn't have to swap in a 4.9 to get more performance? Will the chip make my 2.8 or Duke sound like a V-8?

Not only that but you'll also be instantly attractive to young super models.

Like I mentioned above I e-mailed them about this. Here was their reply:

David,

Please read. It CLEARLY states "UPTO 60 HP".

On your car, you should see about 2-3 HP.

Thank you!

Terry
Sales Manager | G-Force Performance Chips

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This really made me laugh....

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1986 Fiero GT (Undergoing 3800SC swap)
1987 Fiero GT (32 Valve Northstar)

Scam...

Looking up the Business address given on the web site, it appears to be Mail box service called PACIFIC MAIL,
or PACIFIC MAIL shares the building space at : 17595 HARVARD AVE, Unit# C .

For 1976 Chevy owners, They list an available performance chip, a model year that did not come from the factory with a ECM.

There are legitimate performance chips that do make more power, but this isn't one of them.
I put a Kenne Belle Hi-Lo Pro chip in my '87 Grand National and it probably added a good 20-40 HP, maybe more. (no, not dynoed)
Although in addition to timing, t-stat, cooling fans etc., it did also raise the boost pressure from 13 to 19 psi, so there's that.

as other said, not happening

you need to understand the stock ecm is already "tuned". it may not be tuned for MAX performance, but its tuned for good performance and longevity. theres no extra 60HP to be had, not from just a chip anyway

Arns85GT: I believe Al Gore, what's your point? Think maybe this isn't the right forum for incendiary remarks?

On PCM cars they are selling a $70 device that hooks to the IAT sensor. It both improves performance and decreases mileage.

We should all buy one and then class action sue them for false advertising and punitive damages.

In Wisconsin you can get triple times your actual real court costs plus damages plus punitives in a false advertising suit. Unfortunately they are not located in WI.

My son n law spent a couple thousand for a chip that increases his mileage on his turbo diesel pickup. He's not checking it by marking his gas mileage on fill up and then seeing how many miles he goes til the nxt fill up and calculating. He's going by the electronic readout by his rear view mirror that show mpg. I can't help but wonder, does the chip just alter his readout and nothing else. His truck is showing about 22mpg if I remember right.

quote Originally posted by Arns85GT: If you believe that, you likely also believe Al Gore. Ain't gonna happen. Arn

I don't believe anything that a..hole says. Gore the bore is pushing only Green chips for cars with pedals. When you buy the pedal powered car you get a free bag of green Gore chips each one shaped like a bust of his head. I don't know how long Gore can continue with the green BS as it was discovered that his home uses 10 times the electricty of the average national homeowner. The man is a hypocrite.

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" THE BLACK PARALYZER" -87GT 3800SC Series III engine, ZZP Intercooler, 3.4" Pulley, N* TB, LS1 MAF, Flotech Exhaust Autolite 104's Custom CAI 4T65eHD w. custom axles, HP Tuners VCM Suite.
"THE COLUSSUS"
87GT - ALL OUT 3.4L Turbocharged engine, Garrett Hybrid Turbo, MSD ign., modified TH125H
" ON THE LOOSE WITHOUT THE JUICE "

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...&hash=item35b4e51043

Take a look at this.........

quote Originally posted by Dennis LaGrua: I don't know how long Gore can continue with the green BS as it was discovered that his home uses 10 times the electricty of the average national homeowner..

WRONG!

Its aprox. 20 times

This thread took a left turn. Back to the subject, anyone have an answer to my question which was on topic.

quote Originally posted by dratts: This thread took a left turn. Back to the subject, anyone have an answer to my question which was on topic.

Obvious scam is obvious. Not sure why people can't keep O/T political agenda rants in O/T though.

quote Originally posted by dratts: This thread took a left turn. Back to the subject, anyone have an answer to my question which was on topic.

Not to sound like a smart ass, but you kinda answered your own question in your post; Fill her up and do the math, that will give you your answer
22mpg indeed seems good, but what was he getting before the chip and was anything else changed at the same time?

quote Originally posted by dratts: My son n law spent a couple thousand for a chip that increases his mileage on his turbo diesel pickup. He's not checking it by marking his gas mileage on fill up and then seeing how many miles he goes til the nxt fill up and calculating. He's going by the electronic readout by his rear view mirror that show mpg. I can't help but wonder, does the chip just alter his readout and nothing else. His truck is showing about 22mpg if I remember right.

So how do I sell him additional mileage saving products in the future? And what is his email address?

quote Originally posted by ALJR: Not to sound like a smart ass, but you kinda answered your own question in your post; Fill her up and do the math, that will give you your answer 22mpg indeed seems good, but what was he getting before the chip and was anything else changed at the same time?

I probably wasn't clear in my post. I know how to check mpg. What I meant to ask is does the chip alter the instant readout to make the buyer think he is getting good mpg and got a good deal. My readout in my van isn't always accurate to what I actually get.

Any so-called chip is nothing more than the 20 cent resistor from Radio Shack. They can package it any way they want, but its a resistor and its not going to modify anything other than fool a single sensor.

quote Originally posted by Dennis LaGrua: Came across this website and they sell "high performance chips" for Fieros and other vehicles. The claim is up to a 7 mpg increase in mileage and 60 more horsepower. We'll with a good reprogram on a chip you might get 1 HP more but 60 is a very optimistic claim. No longer do we have to waste our money on manifolds, porting, cams, headers, high compression pistons, or turbocharging when we can just plug in 60 more horsepower for $69.00 with only 5 minutes worth of work ? http://www.gfchips.com/pontiacfiero.aspx

Ooooooooo... I'm gonna buy TWO chips, put them BOTH in and score an extra 120HP in my Formula! I can't wait! I better put wheelie bars on it first, though, so I don't flip over backwards like a squid on a sportbike...

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Patrick W. Heinske -- LZeitgeist@aol.com

"There are two types of Fiero owners - those that have gotten ripped off by Toddster, and those who will get ripped off by Toddster."

quote Originally posted by edfiero: Any so-called chip is nothing more than the 20 cent resistor from Radio Shack. They can package it any way they want, but its a resistor and its not going to modify anything other than fool a single sensor.

Ahh... no...

quote Originally posted by dratts: This thread took a left turn. Back to the subject, anyone have an answer to my question which was on topic.

More like a "far right" turn.

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quote Originally posted by Ventura: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...&hash=item35b4e51043 Take a look at this.........

That box contains a variable resistance (potentiometer) that is put in series with the IAT sensor. It supposed to fool the ECM into believing that the temperature is much colder outside than it is, thereby adding more fuel. There was discussion on the old Fiero list about this mod back in the late 90's. I built one and tested it on a 2.8L. It did nothing but slightly decreease mileage. Its a worthless P.O.S. probably being sold by the same guys that are selling the boat ventillator fans as "electric superchargers"

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" THE BLACK PARALYZER" -87GT 3800SC Series III engine, ZZP Intercooler, 3.4" Pulley, N* TB, LS1 MAF, Flotech Exhaust Autolite 104's Custom CAI 4T65eHD w. custom axles, HP Tuners VCM Suite.
"THE COLUSSUS"
87GT - ALL OUT 3.4L Turbocharged engine, Garrett Hybrid Turbo, MSD ign., modified TH125H
" ON THE LOOSE WITHOUT THE JUICE "

Modern computer control systems dohave a lot of play designed into them so if you bought a 2011 Mustang as an example you can realistically get up to 60 more HP with tuning kits. But in a 1980's computer? Forget it! Not nearly as many parameters or sensors to make it remotely possible.

Now what I would be interested in knowing is if there is a good ECM swap out there that makes a dramatic improvement.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Modern computer control systems dohave a lot of play designed into them so if you bought a 2011 Mustang as an example you can realistically get up to 60 more HP with tuning kits. But in a 1980's computer? Forget it! Not nearly as many parameters or sensors to make it remotely possible. Now what I would be interested in knowing is if there is a good ECM swap out there that makes a dramatic improvement.

I would think the opposite would be true, a modern engine is tuned and optimized to a very high degree and I doubt there'd be much HP hidden in there somewhere, unless you're talking about using racing fuel.