quote Originally posted by Pappy: ... My 2cents There are plenty of ways to get more power the only down side is your admitted limited mechanical skill set. I must say your 2.8 is not going to compete reliably with your buddies 350z - Ever It has been mentioned before your best option is going to be an engine swap, save up the cash and go that route ...

Incorrect, There is at least 2 guys here in the forum that are getting 300+hp out of a 2.8 engine one is getting 400+hp. they both spent ungodly amounts of money to do it in the fiero world, or a normal amount of money for the HP they got in the hot rod world.

Horsepower costs money, lots of horsepower costs lots of money, and it is ALWAYS cheaper to swap in a larger power plant than to make the existing one more powerful.
But a 2.8 in a fiero can easily beat a lame old 350z.

350z 287hp with 3600 pounds curb weight. .07 HP to weight ratio.
fiero GT 128hp 2650 pounds curb weight. .04 HP to weight ratio.

getting the fiero to just 225hp will give it a .08 HP to weight ratio that will make it faster than a 350z and it IS possible with a real turbo setup on a FRESH 2.8 engine to reach that HP goal. swapping to a 3.4 and adding the turbo will make the best combo as you can turn the boost up higher without having to upgrade a lot of the engine internals.

A 2.8 with about 14 psi of boost will hit 225hp easily. and a perfect shape engine will last quite a long time as long as it's very well maintained and not beaten up.

Because he is not a mechanic, he needs to spend about $5800 to beat his buddy http://www.design1systems.com/turbo/index.html is his only choice for a kit (if you can get them to respond to emails or phone calls) that will get close to what he is after. I would add a water/air intercooler for another $1000 installed by a mechanic... again, this is expensive because he cant do his own wrenching, he would be better off finding a vocational school that has some automotive classes that will teach him the basics and give him access to tools and possibly be able to get the project done as a "class project"

$6800.00 and you could easily find someone who can install a 3800sc for you. I think the guys that are the top notch installers here are only slightly more expensive depending on the cost of the donor engine.

And that is CHEAP horsepower. a Roush supercharger kit for the mustang is that price and it's not even installed. Fiero owners dont understand how cheap we have it. I have a friend with a classic GTO and he just spent more on a replacement top and installation than many here have spent on their 3800sc install. the custom windshield for his chop top pickup was more than most people's cars!

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I've modded my 2.8, and it cost, and it is not all that more powerful. It came up from stock to about 132 rwhp after porting, adding 1.6 rockers, and a carb kit.

My new engine is planned for about 160 rwhp. It is completely fresh with more goodies than I care to list, however, it is just nowhere near a 3800sc swap. It is nowhere near a Camaro 3.4 swap either, or a DOHC 3.4 swap.

Your buddy's 350z is just built faster due to the engine, however, you likely have a good shot at the 1/8 mi. distance. He'll have wheel spin problems and you can get out in front early if you are sharp and you are driving the manual transmission. If it is auto, just forget it.

Arn

Why would you compare your 25 year old car to a 5 year old car?
The competetors in this match (your fiero, your friend's 350z) are not comprable.
How much did you pay for your Fiero.....
How much did your friend pay for his 350z? I hear they are going for about $18,000-$20,000

Using that figure of 20,000 that your friend paid for his Z, now, all you have to do is come up with, lets say $10,000. Take that $10,000 to a person who is capable of doing a performance motor swap into a Fiero, and in a few weeks you will be able to beat the pants off of your buddy and his Z!

I do not know what Fiero builders charge for an engine swap, I know what was involved in mine.
If you put the same amount of money into your Fiero as your friend has into his 350z you will have a much better chance of competing.

google engine swaps around the forum, alot of people post their total cost on doing the swap, im at about 2k on my 3500 lx9 swap, but im doing all the work myself...
you could also drop in a LT1 with 305 hp, or a ls1 with 330hp if you wana put the $ into it.. . just think of it as ligher then the 350z and more HP then the 350z, we know who will win then.... and youll still be cheaper then the 350 too :P

It cost me $6000 to get anywhere near 300 hp. Theres no such thing as cheap hp. Nitrous is the cheap way out unless it blows up the motor a week later, then not so much A stock, worn engine WONT support any kind of supercharger or nitrous.

quote Originally posted by rmbrown09: Hm well I was reading on some other forums last night about people that had tried them or knew about it etc. One guy thought it would be a scam. So he tried the theory by hooking up his 450cf leaf blower to his civic and truck. He has a dyno. He got 10HP more out of his truck and 15 out of his civic. The "supercharger" listed here is 900cf. Seems to dang cheap for the potential for so much hp. If I find one with a money back guarantee from somewhere I will give it a shot.

I'm guessing that the leaf blower was either plugged in or gas powered, not powered off the car's battery. You would need a 6-pack of car batteries to have an effective electric super charger, and the extra weight would sap any extra horse power.

quote Originally posted by rmbrown09: How about chips? http://fierostore.com/Produ...rowse.aspx?d=266&p=1 Or. (I know I know) A different turbonator type device, but it claims it actually ups your PSI, which is different and actually useful? http://www.yourhotcar.com/p...harger_System/18149/

Don't bother with chips. They don't give you much of a gain (if any).

Your second link is for an e-Ram supercharger. They are legit and give realistic numbers. Even so, you are only going to see a 7-10 hp increase. You will be able to feel that but it won't be very impressive. Here is their Fiero specific page. If you go that route, buy directly from them instead of that site.

http://www.electricsupercha...ar=1988&vehicle=3515

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quote Originally posted by chrishahn87: Take that $10,000 to a person who is capable of doing a performance motor swap into a Fiero, and in a few weeks you will be able to beat the pants off of your buddy and his Z! I do not know what Fiero builders charge for an engine swap, I know what was involved in mine. If you put the same amount of money into your Fiero as your friend has into his 350z you will have a much better chance of competing.

You could buy akursedx turbo 3800 fiero for less and embarrass that 350z this weeked!

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NOBODY has proven that the eRam is anything but another scam. I cant find anyone that will do real tests or put one on a dyno with and without to prove that it does anything at all.

Until it's proven by someone that is reputable, eram is simply another scam. there is no way in heck they can get a big enough motor in that housing to give you a 1PSI boost even at idle.

Believe what you want. I am not an e-Ram salemans nor do I pretend to be. I was a member of the now defunct Team3S club. Members of the club ordered an e-Ram ten years ago and installed it on a NA 3000GT. It picked 8 whp at the dyno which is about the 5% that e-Ram claimed that it would gain.

Personally, I would rather save the money and do an engine swap. The e-Ram is more for someone that is not very technical but wants a small boost in power.

Here is a dyno test by some Porsche guys:

http://twoguysgarage.com/fo...intthread.php?t=3389
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quote Originally posted by timgray: NOBODY has proven that the eRam is anything but another scam. I cant find anyone that will do real tests or put one on a dyno with and without to prove that it does anything at all. Until it's proven by someone that is reputable, eram is simply another scam. there is no way in heck they can get a big enough motor in that housing to give you a 1PSI boost even at idle.

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: It cost me $6000 to get anywhere near 300 hp. Theres no such thing as cheap hp. Nitrous is the cheap way out unless it blows up the motor a week later, then not so much A stock, worn engine WONT support any kind of supercharger or nitrous.

Well.
I would not say it is worn.
The clutch in the car is 1,000 miles old.
The transmission and engine were both rebuilt 25,000 miles ago.

Drop me a PM I live in Coeur d'Alene and am just completing an LS4 Turbo swap into a 87 Fiero chassis with a Murcielago body. Should be around 500 HP. I have also done 4.9, 3.4 DOHC and LS4 swaps.

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quote Originally posted by timgray: Incorrect, There is at least 2 guys here in the forum that are getting 300+hp out of a 2.8 engine one is getting 400+hp. they both spent ungodly amounts of money to do it in the fiero world, or a normal amount of money for the HP they got in the hot rod world. Horsepower costs money, lots of horsepower costs lots of money, and it is ALWAYS cheaper to swap in a larger power plant than to make the existing one more powerful. But a 2.8 in a fiero can easily beat a lame old 350z. 350z 287hp with 3600 pounds curb weight. .07 HP to weight ratio. fiero GT 128hp 2650 pounds curb weight. .04 HP to weight ratio. getting the fiero to just 225hp will give it a .08 HP to weight ratio that will make it faster than a 350z and it IS possible with a real turbo setup on a FRESH 2.8 engine to reach that HP goal. swapping to a 3.4 and adding the turbo will make the best combo as you can turn the boost up higher without having to upgrade a lot of the engine internals. A 2.8 with about 14 psi of boost will hit 225hp easily. and a perfect shape engine will last quite a long time as long as it's very well maintained and not beaten up.

I beg to differ
1st Please show me these awesome 3 and 4 hundred HP 2.8s
2nd Pushing 14 lbs of sustained boost thru a 2.8 ain't going to be reliable no matter how you slice it. I'm pretty sure 7lbs would be pushing the limits of the 2.8s bottom end
3rd Maybe a newer 3.4 bottom end, but that's not a 2.8 now is it?

So I disagree with you sir

quote Originally posted by Pappy: I beg to differ 1st Please show me these awesome 3 and 4 hundred HP 2.8s 2nd Pushing 14 lbs of sustained boost thru a 2.8 ain't going to be reliable no matter how you slice it. I'm pretty sure 7lbs would be pushing the limits of the 2.8s bottom end 3rd Maybe a newer 3.4 bottom end, but that's not a 2.8 now is it? So I disagree with you sir

Let's start with NA engines.....

The 2.8L can be built up to have around 200-210hp normally aspirated.
That is normally aspirated or without a turbo or other forced induction. so the 2.8 can be built to get CLOSE to 225 without even adding a turbo. That number is a known fact based on what has been said by utter experts in this forum on the 2.8 engine. Check this thread for a long discussion on this.... https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/111773.html


Most of the turbo 2.8 guys are running 6-10psi. many even more.... just search the forums and archives. the Thunderbird T3 turbo was a cheap option to get to 6psi for almost no cost.

I don't have time to search the archives, the search on the site is really bad at finding things. Plus most fiero performance people are not on this website or the "other" one. Next let's look at the Faegol SC kits that were (and still are) sold for the S10 2.8 engines. Those are 8-10psi boost. the S10 forums will have more info on 2.8 performance and build up, although again, they tend to swap out to a larger engine as well because it's cheaper.

The old DS1 turbo kit for the fiero ran at 8-10 psi. and it ran just fine on that "weak" 2.8, quite a few of them were sold.

Plus who said that the higher PSI ones are running on the 2.8 bottom end? Are you telling me that you have to use all stock internal to call it a 2.8? I know of at least 2 speed shops that can beef up the bottom end of any engine.

Beg to differ all you want, it still does not change the fact that you can make a lot higher HP out of any engine if you have a bottomless pit of money to throw at it.

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didnt some Iron Duke 4 cyl engines put out 400+ hp in race cars ? Again its that money thing. Your not going to make a 300 hp v6 with $200.

quote Originally posted by timgray: Let's start with NA engines..... The 2.8L can be built up to have around 200-210hp normally aspirated. That is normally aspirated or without a turbo or other forced induction. so the 2.8 can be built to get CLOSE to 225 without even adding a turbo. That number is a known fact based on what has been said by utter experts in this forum on the 2.8 engine. Check this thread for a long discussion on this.... https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/111773.html Most of the turbo 2.8 guys are running 6-10psi. many even more.... just search the forums and archives. the Thunderbird T3 turbo was a cheap option to get to 6psi for almost no cost. I don't have time to search the archives, the search on the site is really bad at finding things. Plus most fiero performance people are not on this website or the "other" one. Next let's look at the Faegol SC kits that were (and still are) sold for the S10 2.8 engines. Those are 8-10psi boost. the S10 forums will have more info on 2.8 performance and build up, although again, they tend to swap out to a larger engine as well because it's cheaper. The old DS1 turbo kit for the fiero ran at 8-10 psi. and it ran just fine on that "weak" 2.8, quite a few of them were sold. Plus who said that the higher PSI ones are running on the 2.8 bottom end? Are you telling me that you have to use all stock internal to call it a 2.8? I know of at least 2 speed shops that can beef up the bottom end of any engine. Beg to differ all you want, it still does not change the fact that you can make a lot higher HP out of any engine if you have a bottomless pit of money to throw at it.

None of that ^^^ supports your claim of a reliable 3 or 4 hundred HP 2.8

Yes lets start with NA engines; You know to me NA means Naturally Aspirated (I guess I'm old school)

I do not need to search for anything I didn't throw the "Incorrect, There is at least 2 guys here in the forum that are getting 300+hp out of a 2.8 engine one is getting 400+hp" card

I don't know about them known facts of those utter expert guys, but I do know what it takes to get a Naturally Aspirated 2.8 above 220 HP, and yep you got it - It ain't a 2.8 anymore

Are you suggesting we can up the compression on our 2.8 AND apply 14 lbs of boost? Is that how we're going to get our reliable 300 or 400 HP?

Still - I beg to differ yet again

To the OP,
Sorry this thread got spun up a bit but it is related to your question, if all this can't get you where you want to be that electric super charger certainly isn't going to be anywhere close

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The fastest 2.8 I recall was 1FST2M6 (IIRC) and he ran 12.98 with a lot of Nitrous Oxide.

rmbrown09, first congrats on the Fiero. They're a lot of fun, but they can also be frustrating. To limit the frustrations, you need to do some planning rather than look for the "go-fast" part of the week.

1. What are your goals for the car? Is this a daily driver, weekend warrior, or a race day track car? Everything is a compromise, so decide what roll the car will need to fulfill before you make changes that may make it less useful.

2. What is your budget? Be realistic. You've already said you can spend about $2400 over the next two months to upgrade the car. Is that your limit or can you keep adding to that each month, even at a lower amount? If you have that much disposable income for the car for more than a couple months, you could very easily save up for an engine swap that will get you far more performance than just about anything you can do to the 2.8.

You need to be realistic about your goals. You mention "a simple looking gain of 30HP." Where did you get the 30HP figure? The 2.8 is 140HP stock, so 30HP gets you up to 170HP. That's still nowhere near competitive against a 320HP 350Z. It's also a 21% boost in output - which is NOT a simple bolt on. GM went to a 3.4L V6 with a roller cam and bigger aluminum heads to get up to the 170 HP range. If you want to compete against a 350Z, you're going to need 250-300 HP minimum. On a 2.8, you're going to need a lot of Nitrous Oxide or boost, either of which will require a stout rebuild to make that power reliably.

So, once you're looking at a rebuild, your options for an engine swap start looking pretty good. A Series II 3800 Supercharged (3800SC) engine out of a late 90's - early 2000's Grand Prix gets you 240HP stock, and can be raised up to the 300HP range without too much trouble. It's a proven swap that's been done in Fieros many times and there are many people here who can help you with particulars on it.

You mention you're a noob. What kind of mechanical skills do you have? Will you be doing your own work, or having it done? That will greatly affect the cost of your project. Do you have a place to work on the car?
Can the car be out of commission for several weeks while a swap is being done? It's not a weekend project.

Coming up with a solid plan, including a good idea what it will cost and how long it will take will prevent you from ending up with a non-running "project" and no money to finish it.

quote Originally posted by Pappy: .. and yep you got it - It ain't a 2.8 anymore...

Ok......

I need to tell friends that have custom Chevy 350's they dont have a 350.

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quote Originally posted by timgray: Ok...... I need to tell friends that have custom Chevy 350's they dont have a 350.

You are correct sir, my logic has been faulty
I concede to you on this discussion

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How about a cold air intake? I heard they don't work on Fiero's?

Say top one here?
http://www.westcoastfiero.com/intake/intake.html

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quote Originally posted by rmbrown09: How about a cold air intake? I heard they don't work on Fiero's? Say top one here? http://www.westcoastfiero.com/intake/intake.html

Feel free to put money into worthless modifications and ignore the experience of seasoned fiero enthusiasts.

Some day you're going to come back and be embarrassed when you have half an idea how an engine works.

I am simply asking a question because I do not understand all the complexities of an engine. Doesn't mean I'm ignoring anybody.
My specialty is computers not cars, and when you can't figure out how to work yours and bring it to me with questions. I won't call you a fool.

quote Originally posted by rmbrown09: Buddy is getting a 2006 350z. He has 320HP and goes 0 - 60 in 5.6 I want to at least maybe make it a race.

No such thing as a cheap bolt-on to get you where you want to go, since you'd need to double your horsepower to "compete" with your buddy.

Realistically, it is not feasible to do that with your stock 2.8 V6 without wasting more money than would be spent on a better approach (engine swap).

If I were "doing over", I'd be going with a 3800 S/C swap. You should save up your $$$ toward that goal.

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I was at that stage when i was younger and didnt know alot about cars. i asked aton of questions and even looked into the electric turbo/supercharger idea.
pretty much doing what your doing. just asking around about ideas and or questions about products and such.

the fiero already has a cold air intake. no need to install one.
the electric supercharger isnt going to give you any extra power other then your wallet feeling alittle lighter.
best way to get more power from your 2.8 engine is to take the engine out. and put in a 3.8 supercharged engine from a buick.
you could sell your fairly new 2.8 engine. buy a 3.8. spend some monday for engine mounts and acouple little things. and you have yourself a very reliagle engine pushing 240hp. there are ALOT more modifications you can do to the 3.8 compaired to the 2.8. if your not scared of spending money. you can buy archies V8 kit. it comes with pretty much everything you need. even comes with a video on how to install the 350V8 engine. all you need to buy other then the kit is the engine itself. buy a 350. throw some preformence parts and you could easyly have 300+ hp with out even adding a turbo or supercharger.

tho the cheapest way is just to install a bigger powerful engine in your car. tho you can do it with the 2.8. its just going to cost you alot more. spend $1500-2500 and have a crazy fast 3.8supercharged fiero. or spend that same amount on the 2.8 and be slower. i do however like the look of the fiero 2.8 engines. could be by the way the intake looks tho :P

quote Originally posted by fierosound: If I were "doing over", I'd be going with a 3800 S/C swap. You should save up your $$$ toward that goal.

Why?!?!

3800 swaps are a dime a dozen! Everybody and there mom has a 3800 swap.

How can I put this... (Maybe you'll agree with me on this.) My whole love affair with the Fiero stems from its uniqueness. So, take a unique car like a Fiero and get together with a few thousand other people with the same car. Suddenly the whole reason I love the Fiero in the first place is pretty much defunct. Now I'm faced with 2 problems. My car is underpowered and I need to break away from the crowd. A 3800 swap solves the first problem nicely, but they're EVERYWHERE!! It's like "Oh, another 3800, wow, never seen one of those before."

But the 3.4 swap you did. I mean really, wow. It truly is special. You're putting a ton of power to the ground. AND it really separates itself from the "Other" swaps out there. I assume you would have 2 main reasons to want a 3800 swap instead. 1) COST. Dollar for HP the 3800 wins every time. Hands down. Now maybe this is just me and maybe I'm stupid for this, but I think the extra money into the 3.4 is well spent for the wow factor that swap has. How many people have said "You're getting HOW MUCH power from a 3.4?!" I would looooove that. 2)Performance. Okay, you really can't push that 3.4 much further without compromising it's drive-ability. You could push a 3800 further and still drive it to the store. But if performance were really THAT big a deal you could always take out that killer stereo for weight savings! Don't worry, it will be well taken care of in my car!

Well that's my take on things, Hopefully I'm making some sense here.

Oh and 3800 guys, don't be offended. I appreciate the power you guys can make but when I get to that point with my Fiero, I will be taking a different avenue, see above.

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quote Originally posted by TheRealShadowX: Why?!?!

I can think of several reasons 2 of which you covered, power and cost. Another factor is ease. Being a common swap means there are alot of resources and information available for it. Another one, longevity. The 3800's are strong motors that last, and I don't mean 150k and you need a rebuild. While not a SC, our Bonneville has a 3800 NA in it and is going on 230k miles and still running strong. It's not uncommon for 3800's to go 300k or more before a rebuild comes along. Add to that the large amount of aftermarket goodies for a 3800 and it's ability to bolt up to the Fiero trans without a adapter unlike a 350 or most of the LS/LT series V8's.

/shrug, I can see the attraction of the 3800 just like I can see the attraction of the 4.9 (although the 4.9 doesn't have near the aftermarket that the 3800 has).

The problem with the 3.4 swap is it looks just like the 2.8. Where is the wow factor in that? The exception is Fierosounds 3.4 because it is very well done but a non Fiero/engine person may just look at his engine and think "stock" unless they look close enough to notice it's super charged, which is kinda tucked down in there.

Personally, I really like Fiersounds Fieros. The Stereo and engine in the one is sharp and who doesn't like a Indy?

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quote Originally posted by rmbrown09: How about a cold air intake? I heard they don't work on Fiero's? Say top one here? http://www.westcoastfiero.com/intake/intake.html

Open your decklid and look at the engine, see that rubber snorkel that goes to the air cleaner? see how it goes to the air intake on the side of the car? That's called a REAL cold air intake. The junk sold to hondas and from WCF will instead cause you to draw in HOT air from the engine compartment.

The difference is the fiero was designed for performance for that engine from the beginning. Unlike the garbage honda, subaru, mitsubushi, or other GM and Ford cars that were designed for cheapness and Fuel economy so they have from the factory junk air intakes and junk engine tunes. Yes the stock 2011/2012 camaro has a junk engine tune and a garbage air intake...

The fiero has what is called a HO engine. HO = High Output. so they already gave it a good cold air intake and already tuned it to the 9's in the ecm. Problem is they had an engineering flaw so the upper intake plenum has a restriction in it limiting revs to 5000 rpm. fix that and now you create more higher revving power.

Again there is NOTHING you can buy and bolt on in a few minutes that will give any gains.

Tim is right, Fieros have a FACTORY designed cold air intake. Its in the driver side quarter panel. You might get a little smoother airflow by eliminating the baffle or the baffle box with some tubing, but even that is hardly worth the effort. Putting one of those cool chrome tubes with a colored cone in the engine bay will be worse because you will then feed HOT air into the intake.

There is a V8 Fiero with lots of goodies on Craigslist here in Pittsburgh. Check it out.

Hmm. Okay I guess I need to make a couple things clear.

1.) Thanks for all the replies! Learning more about this stuff everyday.

2.) I want to keep the car in as stock condition as possible. And more importantly, my dad said to keep it as stock as possible. He is all for modifying the stock engine, but he wants to keep the original engine in there. Therefore any HP modifications I do would have to be on the 2.8 in there.

3.) Has anyone ever used z-spec? This is their site with Fiero components that actually look like they could boost HP.
http://www.z-spec.com/fiero

never heard of them, and their site is not secure for credit card purchases. What are you looking to do? We can probably direct you in the right location. First off, do you have a budget to work with, and/or a timeline?

Well for the next three months while I am working full time I have cash to burn, then I go back to school and will broke for 9 months.

I have about 1500 MAX that I can dump in per month or 4500 over 3 months.

Timeline is just to get this done before school.
I was just looking at the parts on their site, things like forged pistons and larger throttle body would actually be things that would help yes? Not a gimmick?

Whatever I can do to the stock 2.8 and not destroy the reliablity of it would be awesome. Also some of that money is going to be used just to restore the general exterior and interior of the car. Have to buy a new quarter panel, new aero side rocker (driver side) get mirrors and deck lids painted and maybe get just the fin painted because it's pretty oxidized.

My avatar pic is my rig in 1994 (dad washing it. I'm 3 years old at the time)
trying to get it back to that pristine state.

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Personally, I would take the money and bank it and save up for a 3.4L swap next year, if the car runs good. That way you can get to know the car, drive it to see if anything breaks. This would be your best bang for the buck and the engine will look stock still. Look up the 3.4L swap (not the DOHC 3.4 or the 3400). These engines come from a camaro/firebird cars of the 90s.

If you are looking for cheap performance and wanting to keep the engine stock looking, this is the way.

quote Originally posted by rmbrown09: Buddy is getting a 2006 350z. He has 320HP and goes 0 - 60 in 5.6 I want to at least maybe make it a race.

quote Originally posted by rmbrown09: 2.) I want to keep the car in as stock condition as possible. And more importantly, my dad said to keep it as stock as possible. He is all for modifying the stock engine, but he wants to keep the original engine in there. Therefore any HP modifications I do would have to be on the 2.8 in there.

Just enjoy the car as is. You won't be catching your friend any time soon (been there, done that).

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Hey there Forum friends. I am going to be working on, and directing Ryan through his Fiero goals. I have been very busy as of late, and have not caught this thread. The 86 GT in question has nearly 220,000 miles on it, but by the way that his father took care of the car, you would seriously think many less miles were acquired. The car has been in the family since new, and it truely shows it. There is some wear, and some maintenance items need to be attended to. This will take place over the next several months.

quote riginally posted by jasonfox: Feel free to put money into worthless modifications and ignore the experience of seasoned fiero enthusiasts. Some day you're going to come back and be embarrassed when you have half an idea how an engine works.

Rather than bash you, I just want to explain something... Ryan is a noob. He has nearly no idea about the questions he is asking. He is asking these questions because he wants to learn. He is not some a$$ asking due to laziness,smuggness, or to razz the forum. He is seriously looking to carry over his father's dream. The excitement is his eyes is apparent, and please treat him accordingly. He has my backing, and I am sure that he will be a valued member in the future. Thank you.

Tony

Ive got a drop out n/a 3800 swap I am willing to sell. You need your own harness "that can be made by someone" and a passenger side axel. I would give you the computer - tuned by Ryan Gick & all the odds and ends to hook it up like hoses and hardware. It has a custom 3 inch single outlet exhaust ready to bolt on. Purple Riegn poly motor and trans mounts. The front cradle bushing are poly, the control arms are poly and has new lower balljoints installed. The motor has about 56k, the tranny has around the same and its a 4t65hd the kind that came with the supercharged engines. If you or anyone is interested shoot me a PM and an offer. If someone gave me a decent offer I would let the car go for free so you have something to haul the drivetrain in.

quote Originally posted by rmbrown09: 2.) I want to keep the car in as stock condition as possible. And more importantly, my dad said to keep it as stock as possible. He is all for modifying the stock engine, but he wants to keep the original engine in there. Therefore any HP modifications I do would have to be on the 2.8 in there. http://www.z-spec.com/fiero

This will limit you significantly and increases costs significantly. If your dad is worried about maintainability, I can understand. A V8 or a 3800 is an exotic swap as it changes the ECM and wiring harness completely.

as for making a stock 2.8 do more... you need someone like Tony to help you with that.....

quote Originally posted by Tony Kania: Hey there Forum friends. I am going to be working on, and directing Ryan through his Fiero goals.

That is awesome, I'm glad someone is close enough to him to help out better!

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quote Originally posted by rmbrown09: Whatever I can do to the stock 2.8 and not destroy the reliablity of it would be awesome.

Just keep the 2.8 in good tune, fix anything that needs fixing and enjoy driving it. It's an old car and will need some work. Spend that money on fixing anything worn out. You're not going to get much extra power out of the 2.8 without compromising reliability unless you do a complete rebuild. IMO, that's money wasted. Your call, but I think you'll get more enjoyment out of the money spent by making sure everything is in perfect shape while stock, and then if you do decide to go wild with mods you'll have a solid platform to do it.

Nothing you can do will make the 2.8 competitive with your friend's 350Z without sacrificing reliability.

The cold air intake issue has been covered. Remember the "regular" 2.8 in the 80's only made about 110-120 HP. The Fiero 2.8 makes about 140HP due to larger cam, bigger valve heads, better intake and exhaust than the standard 2.8. GM did a good job improving the 2.8 in the Fiero. To get more gains, they went to later generation engines with aluminum heads and more displacement.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: Nothing you can do will make the 2.8 competitive with your friend's 350Z without sacrificing reliability.

Yeah. Get a new friend with a slower car....