PM Purple Reign... he's running the MP112 with good results... he just got it tuned for e85 and he's like a little school girl right now...

I am pretty sure that 372 rwhp is well over 400 at the crank with the 4T65e-HD... all you turbo guys still sure its impossible? Of course, if you mean impossible with the M90... then you are right

Woot I own page two...

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quote Originally posted by JimmyS: Thanks for the offer but i'll just build my own. I have found out thru past dealings, never trust someone elses work.

I never really get that statement about trusting someone else's work. You're doing so pretty much every second of every day of your life. You're trusting that your house won't collapse on top of you. The car you drive isn't going to fall apart. You're not exactly distilling your own oils from wherever to make plastic, or extracting ore to produce metal components. You trust that when you pick up your phone, you can call someone with it. When you go buy a new car at a dealer, you're trusting that some guy on an assembly line somewhere in the world doesn't hate his job and life enough to totally screw up your car.

But I'll let you get back to swinging that pick axe in the copper mine, so you can get enough ore to extract and extrude into enough wire to make a 3800 harness.

Yes, but you obviously didn't read about his first 3800 swap experience...

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quote Originally posted by JimmyS: Thanks for the offer but i'll just build my own. I have found out thru past dealings, never trust someone elses work.

Yeah I can understand where you are coming from but then again I have built enough swaps to know what I am doing not to mention the swap has been on the road for 4 years running strong. But then again I don't blame you as building it yourself gives you more pride in it....

quote Originally posted by JimmyS: I thought about a Whipple and I have not ruled it out. I spoke with Steve at ZZPerformance and here is his suggestions on what to do... Gen V Supercharger Northstar Throttle Body & Adapter Plate Short Stack IC 90LB Springs 42LB Injectors Double Roller Timing Chain and Machined Cover Ported Heads (Aluminum Heads if affordable) Headers Fuel Logs Ported LIM NIC Cam Steve agrees that 400WHP may not be possible without very extensive mods but with what it listed above, I should be near 375WHP My initial goal was to see if 400HP was possible and what I needed to do to get there. 375WHP is respectable and if thats as close as I can get then so be it.

The local guy running that setup is not quite making 375... and he was running e85 with THE BEST guys in the biz setting the car up. The SSIC works well in that setup because it is free flowing, and cooperates with the "high flow" design that the NIC offers... It would be the best stock head option by far (I am building one right now so I know a thing or 2 about it).

quote Originally posted by carbon: Yes, but you obviously didn't read about his first 3800 swap experience...

Is he still waiting to get a harness from Lloyde?

quote Originally posted by dobey: Is he still waiting to get a harness from Lloyde?

I have had no problems with Lloyde and if all I had to deal with was being screwed out of a harness from Lloyde, I would be happy.

If you care to read thru it, here are links to the problems I had back in 2006...
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...070315-1-061575.html

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...090219-2-078336.html

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/079860.html

quote Originally posted by JimmyS: I thought about a Whipple and I have not ruled it out. I spoke with Steve at ZZPerformance and here is his suggestions on what to do... Gen V Supercharger Northstar Throttle Body & Adapter Plate Short Stack IC 90LB Springs 42LB Injectors Double Roller Timing Chain and Machined Cover Ported Heads (Aluminum Heads if affordable) Headers Fuel Logs Ported LIM NIC Cam Steve agrees that 400WHP may not be possible without very extensive mods but with what it listed above, I should be near 375WHP My initial goal was to see if 400HP was possible and what I needed to do to get there. 375WHP is respectable and if thats as close as I can get then so be it.

I would think the setup above would be closer to 325hp. I'll let you know soon, as that setup is similar to mine except I have a S1X cam, 130lb springs, ratio rockers, and a full size intercooler.

As far as 375rwhp, besides the bigger MP112 blower, Purple Reign has over-sized valves, equal length huge headers, full size intercooler, 60lb injectors, electric water pump, etc, and he made 372rwhp. Lets not forget the THOUSANDS that he has in his tranny, as it has broken parts many times. That's not including the $1,500 Limited slip diff.

As Carbon said, it was just tuned for E85 this week, and has not been re-dynoed since, hopefully soon. He also has a bottle hooked up that has never been used.

So things to not forget about: money to build the trans, a good 4 core aluminum radiator, mounts, big brakes, fuel pump, custom tuning, etc. It gets VERY expensive in a hurry, and I did most of it myself...

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Intercooled SC3800 II/III mated to a Getrag. 19's with 13" Brakes on all 4 corners. 5 years Avionics & 15 years Car Electronics.

A stock radiator is fine for any of the wildest 3800 builds.

quote Originally posted by Justinbart: A stock radiator is fine for any of the wildest 3800 builds.

X2....no reason to upgrade radiator unless it is bad.....Been running stock unt for many years with no issues.....

quote Originally posted by JimmyS: I have had no problems with Lloyde and if all I had to deal with was being screwed out of a harness from Lloyde, I would be happy. If you care to read thru it, here are links to the problems I had back in 2006...

Ah ok. I read some of those back in the day. At least you have your car and everything now. Some have been waiting for over 5 years for Lloyde to do a swap. The pictures with the 6 foot tall bush growing through the engine bay are lovely. :-/

I'd say you are lucky. And looking at those same threads again, I still would say that you perhaps rushed into it, once you saved up some cash to get it done. Instead of researching your options better, you just found the closest person which could probably do it, and made a quick deal to get it done, with an overly aggressive schedule.

MstangsBware and I don't always agree on some things, but I'm pretty sure he's got some rep doing swaps, and that 3800 he just offered up for sale to you is very clean, and is probably a good deal for what you're looking to do with the car.

But good luck with your build either way.