oh ya and how bout the coolant, I mean it did cost some money, do I use it and say **** it buy more later?

well i don't have the knowledge to help you, but i noticed you said your center console was messed up? I have a really good center console with the glove box compartment and cigarette lighter. If this is the interior part you need, you can have it. Just pay the shipping. Let me know. I also have alot of other extra interior pieces if you need anything else.

Good luck with your car

kyle

Run the coolant you have in engine to for now first get the car to start ,you have driven the car before so you know it will run determine if you have an engine that is driveable ,you need this car for transportation it is your only transportation. you need to treat a 20 year old car with respect if it is your only transport when you build bank account you can become menace on the road,,If you have good supply of oil use this use the 5w to clean engine with IF you have good supply !! drain comtaminated oil from car.. let drain all night, jack up car so you can get every drop out possible.. then add lightest oil you have if the oil on the dip stick looks normal you can run for 1000 to 2000 miles then drain,if oil looks like there may be water in the oil drain this is not a new engine ,,use care ,a small amount of water will not hurt for a short period use your own judgement,, i would run the oil you have and not worry about the synthetic untill oil you have is gone ,others will disagree but the fiero needs heavy oil ,unless engine is excellent,also heavy oil quiets just a bit the noise duke is famous for..once it runs you can have fun with brakes or wish for the pied piper of fieros to pass your house on the way to the sea..ha ha I start engine to see if it runs before I attach some components like exhaust noisy !! 10th number in engine code is year e84 f8 5 g86 87 & 88 have no distributor the # is located at the front of the engine just below the head ,,center,,easy to see dificult to read stan

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quote Originally posted by kamikazeee: I have checked out the s-10 heads, and they seem to be pretty cheap, but the grand am is a 2.4?! Does that still fit? or is there something I'm missing Never mind I found 2.5 grand am intakes... which years fit? Does it matter as long as 2.5? Never mind again, 1985-1991...

Only if the Grand Ams have the code 'R' 2.5. A lot of Grand Ams used the code 'U' Duke and that head will not fit the Fiero Duke. The cylinder spacing is different

Sweet, you guys are alot of help, thanks to all. Allright I'll run it on the 5w for now, than we'll see what happens. If the car works than yes! I'll drive like a ****ing saint, and if it doesn't the search continues. If the engine is 85 than I'll get a new head (anyone know how much or where?) and if it's 87 88 than I'll get the s-10 of off this one forum for $75 perfect condition. Thanks again I really appreaciate it, I'll update soon.

vin # difficult to see also there are some grand am engines in fieros (DON,T ask) these numbers are located under rear exhaust pipe on driver side,, also engine # is located on driver side head directly undervalve cover on intake side very rare if you have this?? this is grand am engine.. normal location is engine block 6 inch down from head between alternator and air conditioning unit,,just above the timming gear cover there are 3 different block locations above pulley or below pully none are easy to see!! eyeball around pully area ther are like 5 different locations for dukes yours should be on the front passenger side just above pulley ,, toward the driver side top of block ,, or the lower below pully toward cab this should be confusing to you but you should find below head or close to large pully ,my chilton is missing some pages... IS THIS CAR RUNNING now,how does coolant look?? how does it runn do not worry about head make run proper and stop baby untill you know it will get you to work,plenty of time to create traffic uproar

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haha, thanks, naw I didn't have time, I'm actually at work rigth now, I get off at like 10:00 10:30 so I'll give it a try when I'm home, I'm having the biggest ****ing trouble putting the headers back on tho, they can never ****in line up!!! Oh well I'll work in darkness to get them on. I'll look for the vin# again, the las owner told me he has no idea what year the enigne is he just gave it to a mechanic and got it back with a new engine. So plans for tonight, get the effin headers on, put 5w30 oil in it, start it, If it works drain, and put 10w30 in it, If it doesn't...
...observe

Good luck tonight. Now does this engine have a distributor or DIS (2 coils with 4 wires directly to the plugs)?

Ya the 4 wires go straight to the distributor, and one cable from it goes to the coil.

So...
...anyone have or know where i can get an uncracked cylinder head cheap??? :P

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I looked at heads at car-part and found some cheap ones but before it showed me heads it asked me if i want xjs or non-xjs. I looked at this page http://www.fierosails.com/CylinderHead.html and it said that the non-xjs can fit fieros with some mods. Now, what I'm basically asking is if there are diffrent types of 84-86 2.5 4cyl fiero engines that were put in that would create problems, and would stop the engine form working properly if the head is either xjs or non-xjs, OR are all 84-86 2.5 4cyl Fieros xjs???

I hope I'm not too confusing...

Ouch. Post a WTB in the Mall. I bet someone has one laying around.

haha already did...
...I think this car hates me...
...Is there anything else that could be wrong with it that would make white smoke come out of A. The engine god knows where from B. The tailpipe
that smells exactly like burned anti-freeze. I mean I know It's not the valve stem seals cause those are perfect, so my guess is cylinder head cracked. PLEASE for the love of god correct me if I'm wrong....

Nah, the car hated the previous owner cuz he didn't give it any TLC. Now you fix her up and take care of her and she will take care of you. lol Always worked for me.

I would suggest taking the head to a machine shop that can check it for level, cracks, etc.

Have you pulled a spark plug to check if one is really, really white like its been steamed cleaned?

Not that I remember but I'll check in a couple of minutes...

quote Originally posted by kamikazeee: Nope, no white, why what would that mean???

That would mean coolant leaking into the cylinder and being burned. It steam cleans the plug, piston, cylinder, and valves. You end up with a very clean looking cylinder compared to the other cylinders. It focuses your attention to look really hard at that cylinder for the problem area.

How long did you run it after putting it back together. It will take a little while to burn off the coolant from inside the exhaust etc.

Like 5 mins, I guess I should have left it running for a bit, but the white smoke was coming like not only from exhaust but also from the engine, plus my old head gasket looked pretty intact when I pulled it out, it didn't look burned or anything cracked ripped or anything it just had a crapload of silver looking **** all overit...

If my cylinders haven't had the steam cleaned look,, might it mean something else? cause really they never did, not since I got it, unless the head just cracked after I got it...

Now are all 2.5 fieros XJS???????

This is the first time I have heard of "XJS" when it comes to the Duke. If you do a parts search on Rock Auto they list casting numbers. No mention of XJS.

EDIT: I looked at the website you posted and found out what XJS means. It says to look on the BLOCK for this designation. Then you look up which heads will fit that block. Like I said, first I've heard of it anywhere.

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cool thanks...
...I think Ima just pull the head off again and try to find the effing XJS

*UPDATE!!!*
(and a really pissed one while at it...)

Okay, well I just got back from my all so wonderful fiero. I was putting the head back on, so I got the intake on it, put the head gasket on, just to find that the two front (closest to the front of the car) corner bolts don't match up...
...Now, this is the 4th time i took the head off (first I thought ut was the head gasket, than the valve seems, than I found out the head is cracked, now it doesn't fit), and questions start to arise...
...1.Does every 87-up have the walls aroud the springs and no umbrella tops, while the 84-86 have the funky looking tops???
2. Is there more than one iron duke that could have been swapped into the fiero (it has a refurbished engine) that would cause a head from an 85 fiero not fit my 86 fiero???
3. Does the number on the head (ie mine has 86 on it, and the one i just got has 85 on it) mean the year of the engine, or am I falsely taking my engine for an 86???
4. Is the ebay guy, a retard and doesn't know what he has, sending me a head from a coincidental GM 2.5 4 cyl, same intake and outake valve size yet from a car that has the head bolt positions diffrent???

PLEASE HELP!?
I really don't want to sell this for **** money to some junk yard, and kill it, plus I really effin need a working car!!!
Thanks yet again Karl...

*UPDATE*
I'm back in business!!! I got the exact same head as i had, everything seems perfect, was a bit dirty but I cleaned it and resurfaced it at a machine shop. As far as the seller told me there's nothing wrong with this one, so etiher tomorrow or the next day I'll put it on and try to give it a go. Wish me luck and thanks all for all the help I would NOT be able to do this myself...