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Do SBC roller rockers work on the 2.8? by doublec4
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Report this Post12-14-2006 01:48 AM Click Here to See the Profile for doublec4Send a Private Message to doublec4Direct Link to This Post
Title says it all, just checking to make sure.

Thanks.

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Report this Post12-14-2006 01:54 AM Click Here to See the Profile for DRAClick Here to visit DRA's HomePageSend a Private Message to DRADirect Link to This Post
I believe they can but require a different size stud. Search should turn up the answer pretty quickly.

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Report this Post12-14-2006 10:18 AM Click Here to See the Profile for PyrthianSend a Private Message to PyrthianDirect Link to This Post
yes, they CAN. like mentioned - you need to replace the studs.
also - some may not physically fit.
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Report this Post12-14-2006 10:24 AM Click Here to See the Profile for lou_diasSend a Private Message to lou_diasDirect Link to This Post
You've got to get narrow body rockers. Also, of the ALUMINUM narrow bodied rockers, I've only found 1.6 ratio as the highest.

Crane sells stud adapters to use rockers for 3/8" studs. I have these on my heads with Summit 1.6 Aluminum Full Roller rockers. They look just like Crane's only in Summit blue color plating instead of gold (Crane).

I didn't want STEEL rockers as I was looking for a light valvetrain...
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Report this Post12-14-2006 10:29 AM Click Here to See the Profile for doublec4Send a Private Message to doublec4Direct Link to This Post
Thanks guys, thats a lot of useful info. I appreciate it.

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Report this Post12-14-2006 11:41 AM Click Here to See the Profile for AP2kSend a Private Message to AP2kDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by lou_dias:
I didn't want STEEL rockers as I was looking for a light valvetrain...


A set of lightweight lifters and pushrods would do you infinitely more good than aluminum over steel rockers. There is very little momentum in the rockers compared with the pushrods. (Althoough the bearings between ball rockers and rollers makes a significant difference)

Just saying for those of you who want a light valvetrain because it shouldnt begin with light rockers.
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Report this Post12-14-2006 12:05 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Arns85GTSend a Private Message to Arns85GTDirect Link to This Post
Remember that your SBC studs are a different thread than the Fiero studs and you'll be setting your valve lash similar to the SBC valve lash adjustment.

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Originally posted by AP2k:


A set of lightweight lifters and pushrods would do you infinitely more good than aluminum over steel rockers. There is very little momentum in the rockers compared with the pushrods. (Althoough the bearings between ball rockers and rollers makes a significant difference)

Just saying for those of you who want a light valvetrain because it shouldnt begin with light rockers.


I am using roller lifters so no optiond there. As for pushrods, I have custom sized ones to take into accout the difference between the roller lifter and the rocker. Those can be lightened...I'm just wary of aluminum pushrods.
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Report this Post12-14-2006 01:21 PM Click Here to See the Profile for AP2kSend a Private Message to AP2kDirect Link to This Post
I suppose you could try out a set on the intake side to see if they last.

I didnt know you needed a custom length though. Learn something everyday.
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Originally posted by lou_dias:


Crane sells stud adapters to use rockers for 3/8" studs.


Yes, but SBC rockers use 7/16" studs. 3/8" studs are for Ford SB engines.

Fiero heads use 10mm studs. SBC's use 7/16" studs.
You can get adapter studs that have a 10mm side to screw into the head and a 7/16" side to hold the rockers.
Or you can have the heads drilled/tapped to use the 7/16" studs.

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Report this Post12-15-2006 07:33 AM Click Here to See the Profile for lou_diasSend a Private Message to lou_diasDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Oreif:


Yes, but SBC rockers use 7/16" studs. 3/8" studs are for Ford SB engines.

Fiero heads use 10mm studs. SBC's use 7/16" studs.
You can get adapter studs that have a 10mm side to screw into the head and a 7/16" side to hold the rockers.
Or you can have the heads drilled/tapped to use the 7/16" studs.


The Summit lists both Ford and Chevy both using 3/8 and 5/16. It would probably depend on the heads themselves and has nothing to do with the block.

@AP2k
I'm using a 3400 roller cam block. Hence the need for roller lifters and custom pushrods. I use the term "using" loosely as my car is being held in a mechanic's lein by the idiot grease monkey I was paying to install the motor, who refuses to finish the job, damaged my car, and expects more money from me.
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Report this Post12-15-2006 09:37 AM Click Here to See the Profile for OreifClick Here to visit Oreif's HomePageSend a Private Message to OreifDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by lou_dias:


The Summit lists both Ford and Chevy both using 3/8 and 5/16. It would probably depend on the heads themselves and has nothing to do with the block.



Stock SBC/BBC = 7/16"
Chevy inline 6's use 3/8" studs.(These are where the narrow body roller rockers that Crane has were originally designed for.)
Crane Cams does make a specialty set of Gold Race Roller Rockers (narrow body) for the Fiero 2.8L that use the 10mm bottom/ 3/8" top studs which is required.
2.8L kit with 1.5 ratio =
http://www.cranecams.com/?show=browseParts&lvl=4&prt=108&action=partSpec&partNumber=25750-12
2.8L kit with 1.6 ratio =
http://www.cranecams.com/?show=browseParts&lvl=4&prt=108&action=partSpec&partNumber=25759-12

But the question of this thread is "Do SBC rockers work on the 2.8L"? A standard SBC roller rocker will not fit on the Crane 3/8" stud adapters.
I think this is where the confusion seems to be.

Ford used 7/16" studs back in the 60's and 70's. In the 80's the 5.0 (and other V-8's) went to 3/8" studs.

Hope this clears up the confusion.

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Report this Post12-15-2006 12:18 PM Click Here to See the Profile for doublec4Send a Private Message to doublec4Direct Link to This Post
awesome, more good info

now I found these:

http://www.flatlanderracing.com/scorpionrockers.html#chevyNarrowBody

" SCP1088 Chevy V-8 305-350, V-6 262 1.6 SBC 3/8 Narrow Body Rocker Arms (V6) $149 "

It says narrow body, it says SBC, and then it says V6? Could these work as well? I'm assuming it doesn't come with the stud adapters and I don't even know if they're roller rockers or roller tips or neither?
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Originally posted by doublec4:

awesome, more good info

now I found these:

http://www.flatlanderracing.com/scorpionrockers.html#chevyNarrowBody

" SCP1088 Chevy V-8 305-350, V-6 262 1.6 SBC 3/8 Narrow Body Rocker Arms (V6) $149 "

It says narrow body, it says SBC, and then it says V6? Could these work as well? I'm assuming it doesn't come with the stud adapters and I don't even know if they're roller rockers or roller tips or neither?


They are probably steel. Again, I wanted specifically aluminum w/full roller. The adapters are JEGS p/n 270-99148-2
They come in pairs so you need 6 pairs. I could swear they were cheaper when I bought them in June...

Also, the Crane rockers are always on back order so I ordered these: SUM-G6936-16
from www.summitracing.com

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Originally posted by Oreif:

Stock SBC/BBC = 7/16" (Going to the 3/8" studs is doing a performance upgrade to a Chevy V-8 head.)

Hope this clears up the confusion.



Funny, I switched out the 3/8 studs in the Edelbrock RPM heads I got for my 350 build, to 7/16. They are bigger. Do not see how going from 7/16 to a 3/8 stud would be an upgrade. I think you've got it backwards. All stock SBC's I've worked on were 3/8 press in studs, which again, is smaller then 7/16.

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Originally posted by Lambo nut:


Funny, I switched out the 3/8 studs in the Edelbrock RPM heads I got for my 350 build, to 7/16. They are bigger. Do not see how going from 7/16 to a 3/8 stud would be an upgrade. I think you've got it backwards. All stock SBC's I've worked on were 3/8 press in studs, which again, is smaller then 7/16.

Kevin


Yes I got the "Upgrade" backwards. I removed that statement.
Edelbrock makes the heads with either 3/8" or 7/16" studs it depends on which way you buy them. But these are not stock GM heads.

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Originally posted by Oreif:


Yes I got the "Upgrade" backwards. I removed that statement.
Edelbrock makes the heads with either 3/8" or 7/16" studs it depends on which way you buy them. But these are not stock GM heads.


I know, the Edelbrock heads were not to compare to stock.
I was pointing out though, the Small block Chevy, form the late 60's, to the late 80's use 3/8 studs in their stock configuration, not the 7/16 as you had mentioned. Thought you might want to fix that misinfo as well.

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Or maybe not.

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