http://www.fastfieros.com/projects/matt_3800/index.htm

of all the exaust jobs I have seen, this is my favorite! Lloyd did you design and make those headers?

for everyone, this is what im talking about:

Those look like headers that were made by Performance Solutions... at least I think that is what he called himself. He made them for a short time, then stopped. I actually owned a set, but decided to go a different route, so I sold them.

edit - here is the link that introduced them. If you do a search in the archives, you will find more info on them

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thank you, im researching them as we speak.

No, I did not design them. Jeff only made about 15 sets of them. Headers done 'right' are very difficult and expensive to build. $950 is a good price for a good well designed set with ceramic coatings.

I am sure if Matt Jackson see's this post he can tell you the nightmare of these headers with the welds. The crossover needed a v-clamp flange also, and not the butt up jointing that Jeff tried to use.

Loyde

quote Originally posted by FastFieros: No, I did not design them. Jeff only made about 15 sets of them. Headers done 'right' are very difficult and expensive to build. $950 is a good price for a good well designed set with ceramic coatings. I am sure if Matt Jackson see's this post he can tell you the nightmare of these headers with the welds. The crossover needed a v-clamp flange also, and not the butt up jointing that Jeff tried to use. Loyde

Thanks for the fast reply, wonder where jeff disappeared to? maybe someone would be interested in doing a run like these with better welds and a flange for the crossover. Imho if im going to buy a set of headers, I would like to get a non-restrictive set like the ones mentioned so I can still have full use of the trunk and have minimal bendage issues.
I'm no engineer but is it possible to have a true dual exaust? just considering ideas, the exaust system is my big worry doing the swap this winter.

Andrew

Are there any current options for headers on a Fiero 3800SC that keeps the OEM exhaust routing?
I know WCF sells some, but I'm looking for other options as well.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: Are there any current options for headers on a Fiero 3800SC that keeps the OEM exhaust routing? I know WCF sells some, but I'm looking for other options as well.

the WCF ones are too restrictive for my needs, any other venders?

quote Originally posted by Back On Holiday: ...wonder where jeff disappeared to? ...

I spoke w/ Jeff about 2 weeks ago and he started his own auto body repair shop in MO. He left the Fiero world some time ago for a RX7 w/ an LS1 installed.

He did make a set of equal length headers for his personal GT, & said that it was a total ***** to get it finished. Not true duals, but pretty cool none the less.





They look good but like Loyde said, if they don’t hold up then they are not worth their weight in recycled steel. I did have a set on my 38oo SC ( now sold ) that didn’t have any issues but again this was not the first time that there has been a concern w/ the headers.

--Allen

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quote Originally posted by Back On Holiday: the WCF ones are too restrictive for my needs, any other venders?

Not forsure what your plans are with the motor but I would look into a set of TOGs, SLPs or the Pace Setter headers that just came out. The Pacesetter headers are only $389 shipped so you cant beat the price.

quote Originally posted by mcaanda: I spoke w/ Jeff about 2 weeks ago and he started his own auto body repair shop in MO. He left the Fiero world some time ago for a RX7 w/ an LS1 installed. He did make a set of equal length headers for his personal GT, & said that it was a total ***** to get it finished. Not true duals, but pretty cool none the less. They look good but like Loyde said, if they don’t hold up then they are not worth their weight in recycled steel. I did have a set on my 38oo SC ( now sold ) that didn’t have any issues but again this was not the first time that there has been a concern w/ the headers. --Allen

ashame, he might have been a asset to the Fiero community - those non-true duals look sweet, interesting to see expermentation

quote Originally posted by MstangsBware: Not forsure what your plans are with the motor but I would look into a set of TOGs, SLPs or the Pace Setter headers that just came out. The Pacesetter headers are only $389 shipped so you cant beat the price.

another sweet job (imho) I saved the pic and have been searching for the post/site ever since I finally found again, Loyds job on rob's 355 from florida using stock exaust. The pic doesnt show any cats or a dual exaust coming from the muffler, Loyd any more pics of that exaust install?


My ideal exaust might be what everyone else is after, not sure But I want optimal performance, good looks, no trunk cutting, possibly keeping stock location if possible, if not I want to keep stock muffler location without bends in the exaust that will hamper flow, keeping CAT for passing emissions? stock tailpipes? 3inch or 2.75inch piping for optimal performance?
not exactly certain on some of the last stuff

the only pic I have from under with the exhaust in place.. no tips still however. I just put some 2.5" mandrel out the back outs with chrome tips. As you can see, I did not cut the trunk on this install. I could have put a CAT in place also, but the customer requested no CAT.



Loyde

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I suggest that any pipe that collects exhaust from all 6 cylinders be run in 3inch.

On even grand prix's, the 3inch downpipe upgrade is a very significant one, in the fiero world, we have to make extremely restrictive 180*+ bends that ruins our flow even more.

I ran 3 inch on mine only because I knew I want going to run anything outragous with the setup, but if I planned on some bigger power with stock manifolds, I would of went with a custom 3.5 inch setup to try to equal out to a 3 inch straight downpipe like the grand prix.

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It's Done!!
Time to iron out the kinks.....

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/072877.html

quote Originally posted by mcaanda: I spoke w/ Jeff about 2 weeks ago and he started his own auto body repair shop in MO. He left the Fiero world some time ago for a RX7 w/ an LS1 installed. He did make a set of equal length headers for his personal GT, & said that it was a total ***** to get it finished. Not true duals, but pretty cool none the less. They look good but like Loyde said, if they don’t hold up then they are not worth their weight in recycled steel. I did have a set on my 38oo SC ( now sold ) that didn’t have any issues but again this was not the first time that there has been a concern w/ the headers. --Allen

What the heck, I thought I was the only person to use the yellow setup ?

Paint just adds unneeded weight.

quote Originally posted by darkhorizon: Paint just adds unneeded weight.

Paint is pretty The only thing about yellow is the color collects dirt fast And easy to see, I wish I used a darker color for my theme, But I have seen silver,Blue, Red (very common) Green, Yellow,Black, orange and I seen a purple supercharger before This is the first supercharged 3800 to use the same color as mine, This one looks to be either hotrod yellow or daytona yellow, I used catapillar yellow because it's actually a darker yellow, Almost looks orange.
If he paints the transmission gloss black, it will look awsome.






It looks very clean in this pic, But after driving it so much, It is now much much more dirty.

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There seem to be used Pacesetter and TOG headers coming up for sale on occassion in the Grand Prix forums. Are they specifically for GP's or could they be used in a Fiero 3800SC swap? There are also some ported exhaust manifolds showing up for significantly less cost than headers. Are the ported manifolds a decent compromise in the price per added horsepower equation?
Thanks.

quote Originally posted by rwlekey: There seem to be used Pacesetter and TOG headers coming up for sale on occassion in the Grand Prix forums. Are they specifically for GP's or could they be used in a Fiero 3800SC swap? There are also some ported exhaust manifolds showing up for significantly less cost than headers. Are the ported manifolds a decent compromise in the price per added horsepower equation? Thanks.

They are made for the GTP but can be used on the 3800SC Fiero swap. I run a set of TOGs on my auto swap in my 88 Coupe and a set of the WCF headers on my 5 speed swap. Using some of the GTP headers require cutting the trunk ot like others have done, just dent it in so they clear. I cut the trunk on my auto car to use the TOGs, makes it easier to work on the trunk side head and more room for fitment. I have read that PEMs are a step down from headers but then again your have ppl on here(LilDevil) running in the 11s with manifolds.

Mustang headers are a interesting place to start for designing a setup fro the front. It is possible to use the fiero rear manfold and a mustang front manifold and try out a true dual exhaust setup. I dont think much perfromance is secrely locked away in dual exhaust, but it would be easy i think.

I may have missed it.... Can someone tell me if the pacesetters can be used for a manual swap. ie. does the crossoverpipe leave enough room for the shiftbrackets and cables aswel as the slave cylinder? I have a 4sp btw.

Thanks
Iwan

quote Originally posted by MstangsBware: Not forsure what your plans are with the motor but I would look into a set of TOGs, SLPs or the Pace Setter headers that just came out. The Pacesetter headers are only $389 shipped so you cant beat the price.

Ditto, don`t the slps require a little fabbing/cutting? Or am I think togs?

quote Originally posted by fiero-iwan: I may have missed it.... Can someone tell me if the pacesetters can be used for a manual swap. ie. does the crossoverpipe leave enough room for the shiftbrackets and cables aswel as the slave cylinder? I have a 4sp btw. Thanks Iwan

I dont think anyone has installed a set on a manuel setup in a Fiero yet so cant really say. I am going to lean torward them being the same as the other GTP headers and the slave bracket will need to be re-worked. It seems like when using the 4 speed with stock manifolds, there has to be modifications made to the cables/slave for it to work. Ohio86 or somthing close to that) did a build thread using a 4 speed and I remeber seeing in there so modifications he made to use the 4 speed.

I think it was this one:
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/071510.html

quote Originally posted by 3800superfast: Ditto, don`t the slps require a little fabbing/cutting? Or am I think togs?

The TOGs you will have to cut the trunk or do like Amir and dent the lower trunk in to make them work. The SLPs/PS headers can be used without cutting the trunk. JM used a set of SLPs on an 88 3800SC insall and should have some pictutes to post of it. I know the TOGs require the slave bracket to be re-worked but no sure on the SLPs/PS.