If nothing else used the same ratios as the NSX, Hollander will show it as NSX only, even if other cars use the same transmission, but with different ratios, which I believe would be the case with Honda.

The Isuzu and Getrag are NOT interchangeable in the sense in which I was using the word. They don't share internal dimensions.
They're not even interchangeable in the sense in which you were using the word because they require different shift linkages, differen throw out bearings, different mount brackets. Maybe even different cables, too, but I'm not sure about that one.

GM has forgotten how to build a decent manual transmission. They contract all of theirs out to the lowest bidder. Honda has a different philosophy. The Accord engines make less power than the NSX engine, but not that much less torque... the transmission really wouldn't need to be stronger.

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I would have to disagree about GM has forgetting how to make a decent manual tranny. You can't forget something you've never done.

It is in the context that GM has never needed to make a FWD tranny for anything other than basic commuter cars. The sportier cars were always blessed with rear wheel drive so good manuals were never in short supply. Aside from the 3.4 Twin Cam 5 speed tranny, very little has been done from GM for larger displacement engines. I believe that the use of automatics and "slap sticks" is most likely the way of FWD with larger engines. The other aspect to remember is that these transaxles are approaching 20 years old. Trannys made today are most likely making use of improved technology and manufacturing processes then the ones found in Fieros back in the 80s.

I will agree that Honda (and most of the other imports) still have a good distance from domestic builders as far as automotive engineering. Though the distance is shortening, the game of catchup is humiliating none the less.

yeah, the reason for that is that honda engines dont have any low end torque hardly.. below 3 grand, they suck.. the trannies are geared appropriately so they will still move.. this 900 hp engine probbaly had twin turbos and nitrous out the ass..all of which dont come on till the engein hits its power band.. gm cars all pretty much have waaay more low end torque tha hondas, even built up hondas

Have you guys finished the guys car? how are the ratios? looking for some more feed back

We have seen more than just the differential in the "Lacking Heavy Duty Potential" list. It would have been far easier to try to beef up the Getrag if it was built to be anything other than a commuter car transaxle.

Again, this is not a simply a replacement transaxle for the Getrag 4 and 5 speeds. People can and have easily exceeded the $10 grand mark on their engines to beef them up to their power potential. The only weak link in a powertrain of that magnitude up until now has been finding a manual transaxle that is BUILT for higher outputs. If one is going to put down, say $15 large, on an engine whether it be a crazed Turbo/Supercharged 3800 or an 4.0 Aurora Turbo what kind of sense would it make to cheap out on the transaxle?

Here is our chassis mock-up lowered down onto the 6 speed set up.

Boxing in the chassis will be needed not only for workmanship but also to retain structural strength of the chassis from the modifications. Due to the 5 inch length difference, this modification became manditory.

Further modification to the cradle will be boxed for workmanship and strength.

Pictures of the chassis modification from the wheel well view.

Front of engine clearence for the 3800. (Pretty good clearence, eh spddy?)

NO FLAME!!...but lets be real here...show me one and I mean one person that said they will do this and did? Of course this isn't by any means for the average person, but why spend so much mula doing all this potentials and then stop short at the drivetrain?

Remember how much the L67 swaps use to cost? well I am sure you get the picture

Anyway the fiero really needs a stronger tranny to handle powerloads.... This transmission and a very well build up engine will make a good combo.

And yeah the first gear on our fiero trannies is way too short LOL... First gear is useless on mine... It only gets the car moving, I rarely use 1st gear because of it.

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Do you like the Izusu better..??

I like the izusu alot better

The easy installation and if I happen to break this one... I buy another one for cheap and everything is straight forward and not as complicated as the auto. And it really woke the car up, And alot funner to drive now.
The only thing that is annoying is the short 1st gear, But I can't have everything

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Until we actually break down the work that needs to be done to fit the 6 speed, prices are still a ball park figure but expect it to be in the $5K - $7K range. The cutting into the wheel well became a necessary evil since as I said before this transaxle is 5 inches longer than stock. The chassis will be boxed to retain structural integrity. We would much rather have the back end of the tranny in the wheel well rather than the crank and water pump pullies.

How well the Aurora will fit with this tranny configuration will be the $64 question.

I mentioned Spddy only because of his Turbo/Supercharged 3800. I know that he already has his hands full (and then some) with his latest project. So, no, spddy has nothing to do with this project.

The whole idea of this 5/6 speed tranny is so that one would not have to keep changing out trannies like changing oil filters.

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...WERD!!

From that we shall see what it takes.

If you are using other manufacturer's trannies will there be a possible new auto tranny available....?? Say like a 5 speed or the new caddy 6-speed.......???

do you have anyone lined up to be potential purchacers?

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Rich AIM: ONE FAST 2M8:
98 Black GTP 2 Dr
86se V6
Gold 86se 355 SBC,
92 BMW 325i

Yeah they are an expenisve swap but when you compare that you'll most likely never need another again and the fact that they should come down in price in a few years how could you go wrong.........

The price is still floating...it isn't etched in stone yet...

Not all fiero owners are cheap...lol! ppl who have called WCF and bidded aren't on pennocks...ironically!!

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3800 II v6 intercooled turbo...CWP!

C'mon Rich, who honestly spends more than $10 grand (engine upgrades, brake upgrades, interior upgrades + manhours) on these cheap mid-engined fire traps that GM gave up on after only 5 years of production?

(Nearly everyone on this forum who has been brave enough to add up their receipts should be raising their hands. I'll raise my own hand as well before I started working at WCF.)

One can buy a Honda and be just like every other tricked out Honda on the street.

Also, if you have $7,000 just to break, buy and replace transaxle after transaxle then I would say that you have too many weekends to spend changing them out. The idea for this Tranny is for an owner NOT to have to do that.

ITS NOT FOR EVERYONE.

I would say that if we sold 3 in a year I would be surprised. As for potential customers, just re-read the thread and you'll see the potential customers. Paying customers? We have a customer who has already put his money down that we are building and developing the transaxle for right now.

The second will be the 6 speed for Chris' Turbo Aurora.

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will it be a cable setup like stock?

i have totaled up by build cost of my SBC fiero and im in at under $4500 complete

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Rich AIM: ONE FAST 2M8:
98 Black GTP 2 Dr
86se V6
Gold 86se 355 SBC,
92 BMW 325i

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will boxing the rail be enough to get back the structural integrity?

if i'm not mistaken it was said earlier to be an NSX transmission - its designed for a mid engined car.. but man oh man is it wide

It doesn't sound like you've factored in your time invested (manhours equivalent to a typical shop rate). Time is money.

Boxing the rail section should be more than enough to retain the integrity but we plan to put it to the test with the Turbo Aurora set up. Chris is not known to baby his car in the mountains or against Corvettes.

I'd much rather trim sheet metal than cut out big chunks of frame.

I have noticed a remote electric water pump is a simple cure for the "wheel well pulley blues" so many have.
What's your easy fix to avoid chopping up the frame?

This I would like to know as well, Quite frankly I would rather go with the weaker getrag adn build it with sonic-harded gears then to chop the framte to get that to fit... Of course even then I dont think a getrag could take 500 HP...Quite a delima indeed. This will be interesting to see how it turns out.

My V8 Z car (rest in peace) would cruise at 2500 RPM for a road speed of 55 MPH. That is not good for traveling any distance.

So, the question is would this combination (V8 - NSX trans) be suitable for high speed cruising?

Not that I would like to go into the electric water pump "cure" but in order to find alternatives to any operation one must become familiar with the initial procedure followed by severe testing under real world conditions. Only then alternatives can be explored.

As for the gearing, this has been a consideration since the beginning of the project. It is very likely that different gear ratios will be available but its an aspect of the project that will be dealt with later on in the build up.

The mock up chassis that we were using needed to be used for a turbo 3800 build up and has put Project 5/6 Speed a little behind schedule. Since the turbo build up has been completed we are currently resetting the chassis for resumption of the project.