Please post pics. I would like to know of your experience.

Jeff

I know your request is almost sacriligious, but I'd be interested in this concept too. Just for curiosity's sake of course.

It would be interesting to see what non GM motors have been swapped into fieros

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i'm gonna go out on a limb and say that there are few to no japenesse engine swaps in fieros. I've seen a whole lot of attempts, or people with the idea of putting anything from the rotary engine, subaru's flat 4, 4g63, etc. But no one ever does it. Except i believe there was one member that actually was putting in the 4g63, but i never saw any finished pictures of it.

-Fish

I believe Bob Steiger of Twin Lakes put a Taurus SHO V-6 into a Fiero. Wasn't that a Yamaha engine?

quote Originally posted by Raydar: I believe Bob Steiger of Twin Lakes put a Taurus SHO V-6 into a Fiero. Wasn't that a Yamaha engine?

Ya, But Bob doesn't like to talk about it though.

Someone put a Mercruiser (GM based) engine in a Fiero.
http://www.angelfire.com/il/xd/cars.html

I seem to remember way back someone swapped in a 2 stroke Mercury outboard engine, but I can't remember who or where, or if I was dreaming........

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always thought an intrepid 3.5 dual intake would fill the engine bay nicely

Lets see I think someone on here swapped in a 4g63 eclipse motor, I remember someone doing a Yamaha 3.0 (ford SHO) and someone doing a Mazda 2.5 (Probe GT/mx6) I dont have any pictures but after alot of searching you might find something, good luck

WCF has been working on the nsx 6spd transmission conversion, you could always go with the nsx engine and use thier kit to mate the tranny to the car.

I would like to see what a Fiero would do with the engine and tranny from a Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec-V. I used to own one and that thing would fly. 2.5L 4 banger, 185hp and 185ft/lbs of torque with a 6 speed and limited slip differental from the factory A Fiero is lighter than a Sentra too, so it should be a bit faster with no engine mods. I don't believe there would be any fitment problems either from what I remember of the engine size. I would still have the car if I hadn't wrecked it It just moved too fast for the suspension that was on the thing.

-Randy

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I don't think bob ever got around to finishing the SHO. I know he had it mounted on the cradle as I remember seeing it but I think he was working on getting custom axles. The fiero is an american car please do not taint it with japanese engines. The next thing you will see is a GT with a huge spoiler and an AKIMOTO sticker that you can read from space along with the honda type "R" emblems. Please don't make me think about it!!!!! AHHHHHHH!

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I remember seeing a pic of a mitsubishi engine in one a few years ago.
By the way----check all the companies that GM owns and where they are geographically in the world. They own Dihatsu to begin with!
My ford crown vic was built in canada and my ford ranger was built in Brazil
My Toyota Camry was built here in the states

So don't even try to start that Buy American liberal union s**T with me!
Our own government sold us out years ago! We have them to thank for not having a true American product anymore.

you forgot to mention that the Saturn VUE v6 has a honda 3.5L with VTEC. and the Vibe is a joint product with Toyota.

only jap motor ive heard of going in was a 4g63 from a Turbo Eclipse and he said he did it but i never saw pics so i dont know if it ever happend. i think that a 3s-GTE would be insane in a fiero.

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yeah...well, about where your vehicles were built...labor is a lot cheaper outside the states so...that explains that.

quote Originally posted by jeffndebrus: God forbid someone mates an isuzu engine up to their ISUZU transaxle in their American car! wait a minute---who put that Japenese transaxle in there?? Your true blue American General Motors company that's who! Along with a ton of electronic pieces to go with it. Have a nice day! I will do more research on GM if you like.

Geez.....who's got a bug up their butt?

One of the challenges with using a ' foreign ' engine in the car is the computer system. The Pontiac system is an American design, whereas the Isuzu engine has a completely different system. Yeah, it can be done, but if you are going to go through all that trouble, why not stick with something that's easier to do? There are a lot of different options out there and since the ' local ' engines are easier, why complicate your engine swap by a factor of 20? Sure, we have Isuzu transmissions in there, but they were designed to bolt up to an ' American ' engine. I don't believe we can bolt up an Isuzu engine to our Isuzu transmissions, can we?

By the way.....what's with the " Buy American liberal union s**T "? I'm not a part of a union, and I prefer to buy American made stuff. It's just better quality and if I have a problem with it, it's easier to get information to repair something or get it repaired.

Chill out, guy.....it's Thanksgiving.

Mark

quote Originally posted by Firefox: I'm not a part of a union, and I prefer to buy American made stuff. It's just better quality and if I have a problem with it, it's easier to get information to repair something or get it repaired.

you must drive a Honda Accord then eh? .

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Its really hard to find something made in the USA anymore... I don't mean assembled either... I looked and I found my Fluke digital multimeter and some Motorola two way radios were about the only things I could find. I have Chinese Craftsman tools and my wife's Korean Kenmore sewing machine just for starters... and my Japanese RCA(Radio Corporation of America) television... It is really depressing the more I think about it.. sigh.

Anything is possible with enough money and fabrication skills, as far as swaps go... and the computer being 20 times harder is a crock... they are ODBII just like every thing else.

quote Originally posted by Freshj: you must drive a Honda Accord then eh? .

No.....I have 2 Michigan built Oldsmobiles, 2 Michigan built Pontiacs, and a Wisconsin built Suburban.

Plus, a Missouri built boat and a Indiana built camper.

I think I'm doing ok that way.

On the other side of the coin, I have a '79 Honda motorcycle that was given to me. Does that count?

Mark the American

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I dont know but I guess all one would need is the engine, transmission and computer then custom mount to the cradle. The suspension will have to link up with the axels and an adapter for the wheels to attach to. Unless the axels fit. Oh thats like a lot isnt it...

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quote Originally posted by KRMFiero: Lets see I think someone on here swapped in a 4g63 eclipse motor

DIdn't happen, not sure if Craig dropped the idea or what. From what I remember he was going to go a 3800SC then he dropped that too.. maybe he's continuing something and just hasn't said anything. I haven't heard from him in ages.. if I remember his user name was Fiero Master

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quote Originally posted by carbon: You can thank the damn North American Free Trade Agreement(NAFTA) and China's Most Favored Nation status for A LOT of that...

Of course, let's not forget that Chinas Most Favored Nation status accomplished three things:
1) They will not fire nuclear missles at their best customer. The USA. Very important.
2) Wal Mart gets to sell cheap crap to American Consumers.
3)Chinese workers get to make .50 per hour doing jobs that Americans used to do for $12.00 per hour.

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I dont know but I guess all one would need is the engine, transmission and computer then custom mount to the cradle. The suspension will have to link up with the axels and an adapter for the wheels to attach to. Unless the axels fit. Oh thats like a lot isnt it...

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quote Originally posted by carbon: Its really hard to find something made in the USA anymore...

A friend of mine has an Acura 3.2 TL.
I don't know where the parts were sourced, but it was assembled here.
He's a lifelong Honda purchaser, and he's done nothing but b!tch about the build quality of this one. He's actually considering buying an Avalanche. (If you knew him, you would realize how truly frightening this is.)

My friend has an Integra, w/the 1.8 V-tech. Sucka flys, 14.6 stock motor. Im trying to convince him to swap it in a Fiero. He wants to turbo it, thatd be cool in a Fiero, 300hp, 8800rpm redline, and it weighs next to nothing!!!

And in all honesty, american made doesnt mean its better. Most of the people who make the American made products are what you would call the lower half of the demographic. They get paid jack sh1t, and dont give a damn.

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quote Originally posted by Mr. Pat: And in all honesty, american made doesnt mean its better. Most of the people who make the American made products are what you would call the lower half of the demographic. They get paid jack sh1t, and dont give a damn.

So since many of the Japanese cars are made by these "lower demographic people who don't give a damn" What makes a Camry any better than a Grand Prix? What about the Toyota Matrix and the Pontiac Vibe? They are made here. The problem is that the import vs. domestic quality issue is now a mute point. Back in the 70's and early 80's Japanese cars were built there and shipped here. Quality was an issue.
Today many "imports" are built here, so quality isn't a valid point. The only difference is design which is still done by respective manufacturers countries and does have some affect on reliability, But the differences are not that far apart as they once were.
I know imports that have many miles on them and I know many domestic cars with the same miles.

As for swapping one in a Fiero, I would never use a newer Eclipse engine. I had a Mitz 3.0L and although it had 210hp it sucked for torque.
If you want to swap a Japanese engine into a Fiero, Think Skyline or at least something with decent torque and that doesn't cost $185 to change the back 3 spark plugs. Adapting it to the Fiero in terms of axles, mounting, and such would be the hard part. The computers could be piggy-backed just like the newer ECM's for newer engines.

quote Originally posted by Mr. Pat: And in all honesty, american made doesnt mean its better. Most of the people who make the American made products are what you would call the lower half of the demographic. They get paid jack sh1t, and dont give a damn.

You might want to recheck your facts there buddy. Since we are talking about cars, I assuming this comment was made toward the auto workers of the US. I personally take offense to that! I am one of your "lower demographic" workers and build the Pontiac G6. We do care about our product. If we don't, the car won't sell, and we won't have anything to build. As for being paid sh!t, 60K + a year with benifits that are some of the best available is not too bad. A lot of college grads don't make that much!!

Kris

quote Originally posted by Oreif: As for swapping one in a Fiero, I would never use a newer Eclipse engine. I had a Mitz 3.0L and although it had 210hp it sucked for torque. If you want to swap a Japanese engine into a Fiero, Think Skyline or at least something with decent torque and that doesn't cost $185 to change the back 3 spark plugs. Adapting it to the Fiero in terms of axles, mounting, and such would be the hard part. The computers could be piggy-backed just like the newer ECM's for newer engines.

My Stratus R/T was a hell of a lot faster on the top end than a 2.8 Fiero. The ride from 60-90MPH in third gear was a damn good time... 4000-6000RPM. Most Japanese motors are not short on torque they just have it up higher in the RPM range... the 3.0L Mitsu is 200HP/205TQ(210HP for a Eclipse GTS). Then there was the RIPP Mods Vortec supercharger kit... that would put you up in the ~350BHP range and the car would really fly. But traction from a dead stop was an issue, as it is with most all front wheel drive cars. Off the line there are a lot of lesser cars that could take the stock 3.0L easily. 0-30 in first, 30-60 in second, 60-90 in third, and 90-120 in fourth then shift to fifth and let it coast down... I loved that car. I just loved the gearing... if you had a 4 spd auto it was dog going from 1-2, too big of a gap between those gears.

If I was to go import... which I have no skill to do anyway... I would also go with a Nissan drivetrain. Amazing HP per liter AND the torque to back it up especially the newer 3.5... sorry Honda/Toyota...

If you notice, a lot of American cars will stomp on import high revvers from 0-60MPH, but not running out of breath after 4500RPM is a big advantage for these DOHC motors on the freeway... just ask the TDC/Quad4 guys on the forum.

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quote Originally posted by shop_rat45: You might want to recheck your facts there buddy. Since we are talking about cars, I assuming this comment was made toward the auto workers of the US. I personally take offense to that! I am one of your "lower demographic" workers and build the Pontiac G6. We do care about our product. If we don't, the car won't sell, and we won't have anything to build. As for being paid sh!t, 60K + a year with benifits that are some of the best available is not too bad. A lot of college grads don't make that much!! Kris

thats if you work for GM directly I've worked in factory's that did stuff for GM, Ford etc. people there don't care cause they give them 6-8/hr rather sad. My g/f said she's still trying to get me into GM hopefully its here soon has a bunch of family that works there.

Didnt mean to offend anyone, I wasnt talking about cars exclusivly, my point was exaclty what LoW-KeY was talking about. Just made in USA stuff in general. I was at a car show, and this guy was selling hats that were made in the USA, he went on and on about how its so much better because its made in america, I know several people that make those sorts of products, and they dont make anymore than $9 an hour(and thats a lot for them, usually $6)A hat made in China or USA really isnt gonna be much different, I wasnt saying that overseas stuff was any better, just equal to whats made over here. Same goes for my country, just cause its made in Australia doesnt mean its better, if I had a choise, id still buy from USA or Australia, just to do my part to help the economy, but it doesnt mean its any better,

I still think a HIGH reving DOHC v-tech turbo motor out of an integra would be an awsome swap. Its seriously the size of a backpack!!You would have 50/50. Im sure its probly to hard for us, but if it could work, itd be something else!! His car has sick topend for its output, he can hang with me for a while, and I have an LT1. Plus you could puta vtech sticker on your fiero and actually have Vtech

quote Originally posted by Mr. Pat: Didnt mean to offend anyone, I wasnt talking about cars exclusivly, my point was exaclty what LoW-KeY was talking about. Just made in USA stuff in general. I was at a car show, and this guy was selling hats that were made in the USA, he went on and on about how its so much better because its made in america, I know several people that make those sorts of products, and they dont make anymore than $9 an hour(and thats a lot for them, usually $6)A hat made in China or USA really isnt gonna be much different, I wasnt saying that overseas stuff was any better, just equal to whats made over here. Same goes for my country, just cause its made in Australia doesnt mean its better, if I had a choise, id still buy from USA or Australia, just to do my part to help the economy, but it doesnt mean its any better, I still think a HIGH reving DOHC v-tech turbo motor out of an integra would be an awsome swap. Its seriously the size of a backpack!!You would have 50/50. Im sure its probly to hard for us, but if it could work, itd be something else!! His car has sick topend for its output, he can hang with me for a while, and I have an LT1. Plus you could puta vtech sticker on your fiero and actually have Vtech

I guess I miss-understood what you were saying. I apologize. I just really get sick of everyones image of a GM employee (at least around here).
They think all we do is go to work, grab a cup of coffee, and read the newspaper. It ain't nothing like that at all (At least not in the assembly plants) There are days we will walk out of there drenched in sweat from working so hard. Any day you're on a new job, you end up being sore for a week. It ain't easy. Granted there are the cushy jobs, but you have to have over 30 years in just to think about those jobs.

Anyways, I apologize for getting upset. Back to the thread

Kris

OT, but 60 grand is some pretty good money, how did you get into it? I make half that and I work my ass off too. Some days are easier than others though.

quote Originally posted by Mr. Pat: OT, but 60 grand is some pretty good money, how did you get into it? I make half that and I work my ass off too. Some days are easier than others though.

Well, my Dad retired from GM. Before he did, he got me a refferal (sp?). When they decided to hire, I was one of the lucky few (My fiance was also. So fortunately, we have double that income. ) I'm going on my 5th year there. Back when my dad hired in, if you walked in the plant, you could get a job. It's not like that anymore. GM does everything they can to not hire more people. When they do hire, you have to have some one inside get you the application and refferal. I think it's easier to become the President (not a political statement). Before they hire you, you must pass 3 different tests including a written test (mostly math and reading skills), an interview, and a drug test. (Not a urine test either. A hair folicle test) After you pass all of that, if they need you, they will hire you. Besides that, It is all pretty much luck.

Kris

The sad thing isn't that we are buying "imported cars" made in america, it is the fact that all the profit from these cars goes overseas. Why are companies from other countries allowed to own factories in this country?

quote Originally posted by jsmorter1: The sad thing isn't that we are buying "imported cars" made in america, it is the fact that all the profit from these cars goes overseas. Why are companies from other countries allowed to own factories in this country?

The same reason that GM is allowed to own factories in Europe, Canada and Mexico... :shrugs:

quote Originally posted by carbon: My Stratus R/T was a hell of a lot faster on the top end than a 2.8 Fiero. The ride from 60-90MPH in third gear was a damn good time... 4000-6000RPM. Most Japanese motors are not short on torque they just have it up higher in the RPM range... the 3.0L Mitsu is 200HP/205TQ(210HP for a Eclipse GTS). Then there was the RIPP Mods Vortec supercharger kit... that would put you up in the ~350BHP range and the car would really fly. But traction from a dead stop was an issue, as it is with most all front wheel drive cars. Off the line there are a lot of lesser cars that could take the stock 3.0L easily. 0-30 in first, 30-60 in second, 60-90 in third, and 90-120 in fourth then shift to fifth and let it coast down... I loved that car. I just loved the gearing... if you had a 4 spd auto it was dog going from 1-2, too big of a gap between those gears.

Yes the Mitz 3.0L is better than the 16-19 year old Fiero 2.8L, But it is still a badly designed engine. You'd be better off with the GM 3.4TDC or the Honda 3.5L like whats in the Honda Odessy/ Saturn Vue. Like I said, I had a Mitz with the 3.0L and I was not impressed at all with it.