Realistically what are my chances of putting this engine in a fiero? If you guys could guess on prices and maybe possibilities to try, Iwould reaaaaallly appreciate it. I love this engine. I have never seen an engine like it. And for some strange reason, ithink it suits the personality better then other swaps that most people do out there IMO of course
I was thinking the new 3500 N* V6, but if i could do this kind of swap cheaper or about the same price... hands down the 1.8t!
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Originally posted by dourain86gt: Bump, no one interested?
Personnally, I wouldn't put a 1.8 Volks engine in my fiero. If your set on a 4banger-turbo then I would use the proven 4G63 engine out of a DSM (Talon, Eclipse, Laser). Guys are making 400hp without changing any internals! But It would be simpler to put in a Quad-4 and turbo it then trying to figure out how to splice the volks to your fiero. Besides people have done Quad-4s before, so atleast you might be able to get some help.
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dourain86gt Member
Posts: 264 From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Registered: Nov 2001
Originally posted by dourain86gt: Thanks rogue. I was thinking about the quad4 ho b4, but mechanics where telling me that it was an unreliable engine and hard to find in good shape.
Well there was a couple of varients of the Quad-4. The main problem they had is head gaskets going... not the kind of problem most people want. There is a list member who has done the conversion and seems very happy with it. Check out this link for Quad-4 info and swap info: http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/garage/5007/fiero_osg/mod.Quad-4.html
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dourain86gt Member
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How about Audi's 2.7T? THat's also a Cinquivalve engine I belive.
S4 has a 6-speed tranny too...
Best! Ben.
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There was a guy on here from the UK. "bish" was his username. Said that folks in the UK were installing the VR6 and six-speed transaxle from the Corrado. He posted for about a week, and then disappeared.
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Cross manufacturer engine swaps, especially from a car as complex as an Audi/VW, will always be very difficult.
Stick with GM. Use a '96+ 2.4 litre twincam shortblock, remove balance shafts, install a 2.3 litre oil pan and HO cylinder head with LGO cams. The later 2.4 litre blocks fixed the head gasket problems, but were downrated to 150 HP. The earlier cylinder heads flow like crazy and have pretty radical cams for factory parts. Combine the two and you have a pretty mean engine.
Whoever posted DSM up there soesn't know their VWs...the 1.8t has HUGE potential, and it's all in bolt-ons and computers.
The 1.8t is beign tuned to a reliable 350+HP everyday, and has seen nearly 500HP for non-street applications. A 2.0L variant of this motor is what powers VWs (NOT Audis) LM cars.
I say, if you can figure a way to get the mounts done, there are a ton of people doing custom 1/2 shafts already, and finding a 6sp from a Euro Beetle would rock! IF you can do it, it would be a phenominal Fiero.
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Lets see if I'm wrong about this. The Fiero comes with a 5 speed Getrag and so do VWs. Are they different? I agree that this would be a great engine to bolt in. There are just tons of tuning parts for this engine and they are very reliable when built up. I know I had one and it was great. Besides, isn't it all about being different. Who would have thought that a Northstar could be inserted into our cars. This has got to be easier. I believe if he used a different instrument package he could get rid of the Fiero computer altogeather. Am I right or wrong?
Originally posted by TRiAD: Whoever posted DSM up there soesn't know their VWs...the 1.8t has HUGE potential, and it's all in bolt-ons and computers.
The 1.8t is beign tuned to a reliable 350+HP everyday, and has seen nearly 500HP for non-street applications. A 2.0L variant of this motor is what powers VWs (NOT Audis) LM cars.
I say, if you can figure a way to get the mounts done, there are a ton of people doing custom 1/2 shafts already, and finding a 6sp from a Euro Beetle would rock! IF you can do it, it would be a phenominal Fiero.
I don't know DSM huh? First I own one. Hmm grab an import mag, when is the last time you saw 9-second VW? I have yet to see one. Look at the aftermarket support - lots of DSM stuff, where is the VW stuff? People are taking DSMs to 400hp without changing any internals! Maybe its you who don't know DSMs....
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OR, maybe he just said that the 1.8 is no worse of an engine as compared to the DSM... Maybe he wasn't putting down DSM at all, but saying that the VW motor shouldn't discounted as a high-potential motor
Lighten up, people
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This months Car + Driver has a story about the Pontic Vibe. Cubic inches is a bit small but 180 horses at 8200 rpms and a 6 speed trans sounds interesting to me.
Wonder if that could be made to fit a Fiero for a decent price.
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Originally posted by Mach10: OR, maybe he just said that the 1.8 is no worse of an engine as compared to the DSM... Maybe he wasn't putting down DSM at all, but saying that the VW motor shouldn't discounted as a high-potential motor
Lighten up, people
Sure anything can be made fast and high-hp, its just a question of how much you want to spend and reason. I would rather have the huge aftermarket support that DSMs have then have to get a lot of custom fab. stuff for the 1.8T. Thats my reason.
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Originally posted by Rogue_Ant: Sure anything can be made fast and high-hp, its just a question of how much you want to spend and reason. I would rather have the huge aftermarket support that DSMs have then have to get a lot of custom fab. stuff for the 1.8T. Thats my reason.
Rogue
You're a dumb@ss and I'm tired of explaining things to you people.
1) I did NOT say you don't know your DSMs. READ my post. 2) I DID say you don't know your VWs, which if you don't know about the fast 1.8ts out there, or the HUGE aftermarket support for them, I'm right.
All I said was that there are other options that you're obviously unaware of, and in your post, you not only insult me, but you prove my point.
Lighten up, pick up a European Car mag, and check out www.vwvortex.com. Maybe they can save you from having to replace trannies every 30K.
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Originally posted by TRiAD: Uh, there has been watercooled VW aftermarket since BEFORE Mitsu ever made passenger cars that carried their name in the US.
Just because YOU're not aware of it, doesn't mean it's not there.
"You may not like it, (or know about it) but it's true."
You don't find a lot of VW stuff in SCC, no, but you won't find any "Zero" stuff in Euro mags either.
It's not the end of the world man, you were wrong once, just deal with it.
It's just different worlds man. It helps to have some experience in both.
Ok I'm tired of this. Go to www.nira.com. See any VWs winning anything? Me niether. See any DSMs? Yep, I see a couple
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dourain86gt Member
Posts: 264 From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Registered: Nov 2001
look guys I really didn't want this post to a flame each other on knowledge. I was really just interested in putting the 1.8t engine in a fiero that's. IMO the dsm is a great engine, but for reason I won't mention I don't like it. The 1.8t 20v is the one i just so happen to like, that's all and I have heard of people only spending $2k and getting 250hp that's what I like and I appreciate the knowledge of the above mentioned ideas, like the gertrag notes or the pontian 2.4l engine or even the Vibe(however I don't think this would be any easier as that car is basically a Toyota in desguise. But please keep the peeing contest to minimum. thanks.
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Originally posted by dourain86gt: look guys I really didn't want this post to a flame each other on knowledge. I was really just interested in putting the 1.8t engine in a fiero that's. IMO the dsm is a great engine, but for reason I won't mention I don't like it. The 1.8t 20v is the one i just so happen to like, that's all and I have heard of people only spending $2k and getting 250hp that's what I like and I appreciate the knowledge of the above mentioned ideas, like the gertrag notes or the pontian 2.4l engine or even the Vibe(however I don't think this would be any easier as that car is basically a Toyota in desguise. But please keep the peeing contest to minimum. thanks.
Dourian.
Thank you. This is supposed to be a place to share and learn... just a difference in opinions that got turned into name calling, which I didn't like.
Hey, whatever engine you decide on let us know and how it goes. Will be very interesting to say the least.
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well deciding on and actually doing are two VERY different things! I would hope to put a 1.8t but my chances are slim because wel lI am not a mechanic, I really amd not that good at fabricating. I have always been the inventor maybe the problem solver, but building it and "making" the actually pieces that I could "think" of I have trouble other people understanding the images in my head so to speak. If I were get any mechanic to even help or consider this swap would cost me more then actually buying a VW!
So that is why I come to this forum to see what people know and share info that mighthelp me or help me explain to someone to help me do it. Did you understand any of that?
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Originally posted by dourain86gt: well deciding on and actually doing are two VERY different things! I would hope to put a 1.8t but my chances are slim because wel lI am not a mechanic, I really amd not that good at fabricating. I have always been the inventor maybe the problem solver, but building it and "making" the actually pieces that I could "think" of I have trouble other people understanding the images in my head so to speak. If I were get any mechanic to even help or consider this swap would cost me more then actually buying a VW!
So that is why I come to this forum to see what people know and share info that mighthelp me or help me explain to someone to help me do it. Did you understand any of that?
Lol, yes I understand. You have good Special Relations (can see how things go together in your head), but are not a mechanic.
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dourain86gt Member
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I wish I was a mechanic!!! Put the 1.8t in front of me and the fiero cradle and I would be able to tell how or would it be doing. But I don't have an the 1.8t and I really don't want tull out my cradle "just to look.
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I totally hear you man. You need a mechanic to work with you!!
Some people are 'starters' (pure inspiration) others are 'finishers' (no imagination, but can build a tractor from duct tape if given a detailed manual)
I'm mostly a 'starter' but have a little of the other side in me too. Just enough to be dangerous
Best! Ben.
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Originally posted by dourain86gt: well deciding on and actually doing are two VERY different things! I would hope to put a 1.8t but my chances are slim because wel lI am not a mechanic, I really amd not that good at fabricating. I have always been the inventor maybe the problem solver, but building it and "making" the actually pieces that I could "think" of I have trouble other people understanding the images in my head so to speak. If I were get any mechanic to even help or consider this swap would cost me more then actually buying a VW!
So that is why I come to this forum to see what people know and share info that mighthelp me or help me explain to someone to help me do it. Did you understand any of that?
------------------ Ben Cannon 88 Formula, T-top, Metalic Red. "Every Man Dies, not every man really Lives" 88 Formula, Northstar, Silver, In-Progreess. -Mel Gibson, "Braveheart"
Originally posted by Rogue_Ant: Ok I'm tired of this. Go to www.nira.com. See any VWs winning anything? Me niether. See any DSMs? Yep, I see a couple
Rogue
Dude, this has gotten out of hand. You say you don't like where it went but you were the first one in with attitude. Sometimes that stuff comes right back at you.
Anyway, no, there's not a lot of VWs in drag racing, VW guys are generally more into AutoX or road racing.
You see any DSMs in Speedvision's Touring or GT series'? NO. VWs? About a dozen.
It has nothing to do with the level of aftermarket support for them, andyways.
Laters.
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Originally posted by Rogue_Ant: Sure anything can be made fast and high-hp, its just a question of how much you want to spend and reason. I would rather have the huge aftermarket support that DSMs have then have to get a lot of custom fab. stuff for the 1.8T. Thats my reason.
Rogue
Dude, what is going on in your head? In this thread you're talking about making an economical decision based on getting HP/$, while in the TVIS thread you're saying that the 2.8 needs variable intake geometry regardless of the low rate of return per dollar invested.
What's going on here?
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Originally posted by Will: Dude, what is going on in your head? In this thread you're talking about making an economical decision based on getting HP/$, while in the TVIS thread you're saying that the 2.8 needs variable intake geometry regardless of the low rate of return per dollar invested.
What's going on here?
Well Aftermarket for the 2.8 isn't that good. Thats why I was suggesting something like a TVIS. But if your going to surplant the 2.8 with a completely different engine, then it makes sense to me to use one with good aftermarket support.
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Posts: 612 From: Ottawa, ON, Canada Registered: Jun 2001
Originally posted by johnt671: This months Car + Driver has a story about the Pontic Vibe. Cubic inches is a bit small but 180 horses at 8200 rpms and a 6 speed trans sounds interesting to me.
Wonder if that could be made to fit a Fiero for a decent price.
I had been wondering the same thing. Isn't it the same engine, except for the addition of supercharger, that's going to be in the Solstice? The Vibe GT also has a 6-spd manual, might be fun in a Fiero.
Originally posted by Rogue_Ant: ...if your going to surplant the 2.8 with a completely different engine, then it makes sense to me to use one with good aftermarket support.
Originally posted by Dan Robinson: How about Saab's dohc I-4T FI 2.3 w/ 225 hp ('91-'98). I think it's a spin off of the Quad 4, I could be wrong.
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no the saab is a older motor, they had them before GM bought saab!!! new big saab uses 3.0 GM v6 DOHC same as saturn and little caddy use but with a turbo but thats a rare/new motor very hard to find.
