Hey guyz...I had a question while reading over the VIN Code post and thought maybe someone could help me out.

My car was 8,978 Fiero made in 1988. Does anyone have any idea what month this car was made...it is silver and I know there were only 257 Silver GT's so I was wondering how close to the end of the silver run this car was made. Maybe someone knows what number the first Yellow fiero was made since they replaced the silver paint run with yellow. Any ideas?

Thanks!

Jennifer

------------------
IM Username: FieroChic88
Silver 1988 GT
Silver 1986 2m4
Cobalt Blue 85 GT

There's a guy on here that goes by '88 Database Nut' (not sure about spelling/spaces). If anybody can tell you he probably can. If he doesn't answer soon, do a search, find a post, get his profile and email him.

Jennifer, You have mail.

------------------
Raydar - aka Steve

Black 88 Formula.
Red 88 Duke coupe. "The Project"
88 Formula parts car. "The Donor"

Jennifer, There is a plate in the drivers door jamb that states the production date.

------------------

• Red 88 GT T-TOP
  
• Red 86 GT
  

quote Originally posted by skitime: Jennifer, There is a plate in the drivers door jamb that states the production date.

Never knew that! Thanks!

Jennifer

What date did they do the paint changeover?

Jennifer,

the last silver car I have a record for in the database is number JP209300. Your car is indeed close to the end of production. I seem to have your car in the database right now (prob from a previous owner, or maybe an ad somewhere), but would like to update it since it's changed owners. I'm going to update the car's record to show that it's got a new owner (don't worry, I won't add your name to the database) and that it's still alive and well as of today. Of the 257 silver GTs, ther are 16 others in the database, making the silver GT the least represented GT.

By the way, what month/year was on your door plate? Nov '87? Also, on the ALDL connector behind your cig lighter, there's supposed to be a sticker with the actual assembly date (at least, I think that's what the date on there is). It's usually got a Month/Day/Year. I think I'm remembering it right, but will stand corrected if someone else knows better.

Take Care of that GT!

John Willhoff, john.willhoff@LMCO.com, jwwillhoff@aol.com, bjwillhoff@aol.com, (770) 578-6556

88 Database Guy, you have mail

------------------
Josh (known by TheFiero64 for first 1239 posts)

My pics

quote Originally posted by 88 Database Guy: Jennifer, the last silver car I have a record for in the database is number JP209300. Your car is indeed close to the end of production. I seem to have your car in the database right now (prob from a previous owner, or maybe an ad somewhere), but would like to update it since it's changed owners. I'm going to update the car's record to show that it's got a new owner (don't worry, I won't add your name to the database) and that it's still alive and well as of today. Of the 257 silver GTs, ther are 16 others in the database, making the silver GT the least represented GT. By the way, what month/year was on your door plate? Nov '87? Also, on the ALDL connector behind your cig lighter, there's supposed to be a sticker with the actual assembly date (at least, I think that's what the date on there is). It's usually got a Month/Day/Year. I think I'm remembering it right, but will stand corrected if someone else knows better. Take Care of that GT! John Willhoff, john.willhoff@LMCO.com, jwwillhoff@aol.com, bjwillhoff@aol.com, (770) 578-6556

Hey John -

I do have 2 of my 88's registered with you and I have to get my Formula registered. So u will probably have my name around somewhere! My e-mail address has changed though to Fierochic88@hotmail.com.

I will get back to you soon with the other info! Thanks for the update!

jennifer

quote Originally posted by Fierochic88:Maybe someone knows what number the first Yellow fiero was made since they replaced the silver paint run with yellow. Any ideas?

Actually, yellow was available throughout the '88 production year. Siver was dropped in Nov. '87 to start production of the medium red metallic color (burgundy). The plant was only set-up to produce 5 different colors at any given time, so silver was the odd man out, so to speak.

At any rate, silver GT's are almost as "rare" as yellow GT's (257 vs. 241), but there are far fewer sliver Formulas than yellow ones (261 vs. 438 or so yellows).

I used to own a silver '88 GT and a silver '88 Formula and think they are the nicest looking colorwise......I like my black GT, but silver looks nice!

[This message has been edited by mrfiero (edited 07-18-2001).]

Of course, out of all of my cars, even the parts cars, which one has the sticker worn off the inside of the door? Why...you guessed it! My 88GT! :-) Guess I'll have to pull out that cigarette liter assembly!

Jennifer

The Silver paint option was phased-out and replaced by Yellow in February 1988. So it is likely that yours was made in January.

One relatively easy way to find out is to look at the date codes on your individual body panels. They will usually be dated 3 to 4 weeks prior to assembly. For example, my 88 Gt has "88 30 3" on the passenger frame rail and "88 31 3" on the driver frame rail.To see these dates you need to remove your spare tire tub. The dates are stamped on the top of the rail. My car was shipped to C&C on April 28, 1988, 4 weeks later. So it was probably made during the week of April 21-28 1988.

Good luck.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: The Silver paint option was phased-out and replaced by Yellow in February 1988. So it is likely that yours was made in January.

There were no '88 Fieros produced in Jan. '88. No silver '88 Fieros were built after Nov. '87, so hers could not have been built in Jan or Feb. '88.

Her VIN # is 08978, so it was probably an Oct. '87 car. My 16K mile black '88 GT is # 07940 and is an Oct. car.......one of my prior '88 GT's was # 13007 and it was a Dec. '87 car. Her silver GT is either an Oct. '87 car or early Nov. '87 car.

I still say that yellow was available throughout the production cycle......silver was dropped to produce the medium red metallic color.

If you say that they didn't make yellow Fieros until Feb. '88, then no '88 Fiero prior to VIN # 13007 (my old GT as reference) is yellow. I believe this is wrong. I used to own a yellow Formula and I believe it was a lower number than 13007.......I'll have to see if I still have the VIN number lying around.

Along those same lines.....I have never seen a silver '88 Fiero with a VIN # higher than 10000, so no way it was still being built after Nov or Dec. '87 (same reference.....13007).

Either way.......she has the second lowest produced color '88 GT (only 16 more than the yellow GT).

quote Originally posted by mrfiero: Along those same lines.....I have never seen a silver '88 Fiero with a VIN # higher than 10000, so no way it was still being built after Nov or Dec. '87 (same reference.....13007).

That's half right. I used to have a silver Formula #9002 but it had "stamp dates" of Dec '87. Meaning it was not built until early January 88. If a car numbered 9002 was built in January then that makes sense that the silver was offered up to the end of that month.

That also fits with the Pontiac production schedule. The 88 model began production in the first week of September '87. They were producing around 2200 cars per month. The math does the rest.

Yellow was definitely not offered until early '88 (March I believe). According to the Pontiac Press Release dated July 23, 1987 from Willaim O'Neill (Director Of Public Relations for Pontiac) a "new exterior color Bright Yellow (available mid-year)" was introduced. No specific date was mentioned. Only "mid-year".

The Burgany (actually Marron WA-9077) was available since the '87 model. It replaced Gold.

The exact date of the change over from Silver to Yellow is not known for sure but I'ld be interested to know who has the "lowest" yellow or "highest" Silver #. It might help us pin it down.

Yeah Medium Red Metallic was available in 87. And I am almost positive that Silver was replaced by Yellow, that would make the most sense, however I could be wrong. John Wilhoff said my silver one is near the end of the run.

Jennifer

My Silver Formula is 202504. I have found stamped date codes of 9/17/87 under the spare tire panel, 9/13/87 on the cradle, and 9/18/87 on the printed tag stuck to the plastic console support.

So if 2200 cars a month is an acceptable figure, than the math tells me your silver 88 was produced on late November, early December.

Does anyone know why production stopped in January?

Fred Bartemeyer
Co-Chairman Heartland Fieros

quote Originally posted by RAREW66 oes anyone know why production stopped in January?

It's my understanding that since sales were less than GM had expected and that dealers were well stocked with them, they decided to extend the Christmas layover. I have never heard of or seen an '88 Fiero built in Jan. '88.

I also did some digging on the color thing.....it seems only 4 of the '88 colors were available from the beginning. They were black, bright red, silver and white. Medium red metallic and yellow were added later, so that doesn't clear up the confusion of what color replaced silver. I know medium red metallic was available in '87.....almost every '87 was painted that color (or so it seems). However, that doesn't mean that they necessarily produced that color at the beginning of the production cycle for '88. I still have some digging to do before I concede this fact.

I won't concede the VIN number thing though. There is no way that VIN # 9002 was built in Jan. '88. Also, the 2200 cars a month is probably just an average......they produced more in certain months than others and vice versa. Since there was an approximate 5 week stoppage (end of Dec. '87-end of Jan '88) there had to be more Fieros built in other months to make up the difference.

It has been my contention since I started studying the '88 Fiero back in '88 (before I could afford to even buy one) that approximately half of the 26402 '88 Fieros were built before the Christmas break. Since my Dec.'87 GT was #13007, this reaffirmed it for me (since it is almost at the halfway point). It also makes sense that they produced more Fieros early in the cycle to meet demands. When the demand wasn't there they pared things down in subsequent months, actually producing fewer Fieros per month than in the first half of the cycle.

So to recap......Yellow was introduced later in the cycle (after the first of the year), but so far I can't confirm when medium red metallic came into production nor can I confirm what color replaced silver. Until I find out conclusivley I am sticking to my original statement that medium red metallic replaced silver (then yellow came along later to round things out).

Hopefully we can get this straightened out......I'd like to know the real answers for my own personal knowledge!

[This message has been edited by mrfiero (edited 07-20-2001).]

Jennifer,
You were right, you ARE already in the database! With over 2600 cars in there, I've long ago lost track of who's in there. This has turned into a really good thread. Here's some more info from the database.

The first Silver car I have is #01254
The last Silver car I have is #09300
The first Yellow car I have is #10531
The last Yellow car I have is #24617
Actually, the first Yellow car was #00006,which was used by GM to promote the "new" for '88 Fiero features. I haven't seen it, but people have mentioned that it was the one used by "Road and Track" (or some other car mag) for testing.

Hey Fred, I didn't have your car in the database, if you'll give me your Interior color and tranny option, I'll add it in!

Happy Moon Landing Day Everyone!

John

I was hoping you'd jump in John. You're right....this is a good thread. It's refreshing to have a good back and forth dialogue with no flames!

It is interesting that the first yellow was #10531 (at least the only one on record) and the first burgundy one was #12452.

I could still be right that burgundy replaced silver! Here's the reasoning......the assembly line was set-up to have 5 different paint colors at any given time. AT the beginning of the '88 production cycle there were only 4 being used (black, white, silver & bright red). Since it appears yellow was added before the burgundy we can assume (maybe) that yellow just occupied the 5th opening (since only 4 out of 5 color "slots" were being used). Then they started burgundy which took the place of silver. It is still feasible, but more research is needed to get a concrete answer (we may never know).

I guess I owned one of the "early" burgundy Fieros......I had a Formula with VIN# 12506.

Great information, great thread. Thanks guys (and girls).
RR

It looks to be pretty difficult to pin down the "when" issue but for everybody's info, here are the grand totals:

-1987- -1988-
-8402- -4602 Black
-4458- ----- Bright Blue
----2- 10238 Bright Red
-4119- ----- Lt. Gold Met
20264- -2729 Med Met Red
-6671- -1256 Silver
-2611- -6404 White
------ -1166 Yellow

46529 26401 Total

[This message has been edited by Toddster (edited 07-21-2001).]

[This message has been edited by Toddster (edited 07-21-2001).]

Jen, you can find the date your car was manufactured on the label located on the end of the drivers side door.

Jeff

quote Originally posted by Fierochic88: Hey guyz...I had a question while reading over the VIN Code post and thought maybe someone could help me out. My car was 8,978 Fiero made in 1988. Does anyone have any idea what month this car was made...it is silver and I know there were only 257 Silver GT's so I was wondering how close to the end of the silver run this car was made. Maybe someone knows what number the first Yellow fiero was made since they replaced the silver paint run with yellow. Any ideas? Thanks! Jennifer

What's the 'newest' GT in the database? Mine's white #25462.

quote Originally posted by WampusCat: What's the 'newest' GT in the database? Mine's white #25462.

I know I gave John a VIN from an '88 GT that I saw at a show......it was #26350 or something to that affect. I know it was one of the last ones built, but not positive on the exact VIN #. (I'm sure John knows).

Silver Formulas? I have #2401 if you're keeping track of them.
Also I have red Formula #11863 and a white '88 coupe #8948.
jp

My Bright Red "GT" is 26397 (6th to last Fiero). The guy I purchsed from believed it was the last 5 speed GT built. He research thru contacts was:

26402 GT Auto (given to Fiero Employee)
26401 GT Auto (given to Fiero Employee{
Chasis/Frames autographed by employees

26400 Not GT
26399 Not GT
26398 Not GT
26397 GT 5-SPD mine (Vestal Pontiac, NC)
26396 Not GT
26395 Not GT

26392 GT (Thomas Pontiac, CA
26391 Not GT

Can anyone confirm above information and advise color and transmissions on last five
Fieros built? My GT also has factory installed fog lights. Any idea on numbers of similar equipped 88s?

Thanks for the help. Great Thread!

Jeff

quote Originally posted by mrfiero: I know I gave John a VIN from an '88 GT that I saw at a show......it was #26350 or something to that affect. I know it was one of the last ones built, but not positive on the exact VIN #. (I'm sure John knows).

I have a carfax report for my GT. I couldn't find where it listed in the total for that year, but the number is:

1G2PG1199JP215774

Sly

John, I'll round up all of the '88's that I can get my hands on (maybe 35 to 40) that you may not have - what info do you need besides the VIN?

BITS & PIECES:
Further review of previous owners notes reveal the following. This information was obtained from his contact in the Pontiac Motor Division in Detroit. He was specificallY looking for a GT.

26402 was made 8-16-88
26397 (mine) was made end July 88 per door sticker
The last 700 hundred Fieros were all Bright Red. There or 8,000 or less of 1988 GTs

Did FOCOA in CA get #26400, a Formula?

CAN ANY ONE CONFIRM THIS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION?

Thanks,
Jeff

OK let me shine some light on the subject, I'm not John Willhoff, butmy name is John as well and I was doing something of the same thing since 1990 and when I met John here in (ciber-world) I have combined alot of data and been working with John very closly since, I'm still in the process of writting 1988 fiero book and I've been checking and rechecking things (left & right, up & down you name it), so let me answer some of the question for John, I know for a fact he wouldn't have a problem with it.

1)Towens, he need any and everything you have on the car from: color (int. & ext.) every option and who has it (if you know) and even ones in the junkyard and PLEASE only 1988 Fieros

2)SlyGuy, is your GT white and I'm sorry what was your question again?

3)GTJeff, according to my information that we have so far (we stress so far) 25,695 till 26402 were all Red and give a a little time to check into some of the other data I have to answer your other questions.

But heres a start!

Fiero John-WI

Can't thank you enough for your help. I owe you a favorite beverage at The Dells this spring.

Please note my window sticker does show #AD3 for the sunroof option.

Can anyone shed information on the Factory Fog Lights? Several members of club are convinced along with me that they are original. The light brackets and wiring looks all original under the car. The rocker switch is located on right side of pod below rear deck release. On my original 84 SE this area had a flat plate and I believe the Rear Window Defroster switch is here on cars with that option. They shutoff in the high beam position.

The window sticker only references a "Lamp Group" under standard equipment. There is nothing in the option section. There is nothing on the build sheet. I have no reason to believe from long converstions with previous owner and reviewing all maintenance records that this was an add-on. The previous owner had a stong desire to keep as original as possible as do I.

Input? thanks... jeff

quote Originally posted by FIERO JOHN-WI: 2)SlyGuy, is your GT white and I'm sorry what was your question again?

Yes, my car is white. I was just curious if someone would be able to find out any more information than I currently have available. I have a CARFAX report, but I am not surprised that it does not include the exact date my car was built. I would also like to know the exact number and how this number relates to the total number built for that year as well as anything special or unusual about my car specifically.
Thank you in advance for any info.

Sly

here is the info on my car that can be added to the list as need be (I think it might be there already) (there is a scan at members.shaw.ca\efog\gm.jpg of the original, for those that care to see)

Tim

DATE: FEBURARY 1988
CUSTOMER:
VEHICLE: 1988 FIERO
VIN: 1G2PG1192JP215356
TRIM: 82D – MEDIUM GRAY
PAINT: 53U – BRIGHT YELLOW
DEALER: 82012 – WESTERN GMC PONTIAC BUICK EDMONTON, AB

OPTION DESCRIPTION

AAA STANDARD EQUIPMENT
AD3 SUNROOF: GLASS, FLIP-OPEN
AF9 RECLINING FRT BUCKET/ADJ LUMBAR SUPPORT
AU3 ELECTRIC DOOR LOCK
B34 MATS: FRONT WITH CARPET
C49 REAR WINDOW ELECTRIC DEFOGGER
C60 AIR CONDITIONING MANUAL CONTROL
D34 VISOR VANITY MIRROR
D35 MIRROS: LEFT REMOTE & RIGHT MANUAL CONTROL
D4P GEAR, SPEEDO DRIVEN (25519845)
D80 AUXILLIARY PANEL & VALANCE (SPOILER)
D9C SENSOR, VECHILE SPEED (25007335)
E5Z ADAPTER, SPEEDO (DELETE)
E9Z KEY, SPEEDO (DELETE)
GX3 TRANS FINAL DRIVE RATIO 3.33
K05 ENGINE BLOCKER HEATER
K34 CRUISE CONTROL, ELECTRONIC
K60 GENERATOR, 100 AMP
L44 ENGINE ASY, 2.8L V6 (HI OUTPUT) (2.8-9)
MD9 3-SPEED AUTO (THM 125C) TRANSMISSION
MX1 AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
NA5 EMISSION SYSTEM FED
NP5 WHEEL STRG (LEATHER WRAPPED)
PB4 PACKAGE LOCK KIT ALUM WHL
PH0 WHEEL 15X6 FT 15X7 RR DIAMOND HONEYCOMB
PON PONTIAC MICH, BUILDING PLANT
UA1 BATTERY H.D.
UQ6 SUBWOOFER SPEAKER SYSTEM
UX1 RADIO: AM/FM STEREO, SEEK & SCAN, EQUALIZER, AUTOREVERSE/SEARCH CASSETTE, CLOCK
VK3 FRT LICENCE PLATE MOUNTING
V73 VECHICLE CERTIF. STATEMENT
X05 MOULDINGS BRIGHT
YT1 BUILD-UP CUST DOOR & QUARTER
Z31 ADVANCE PRICE SHEET
Z49 MANDATORY CANADIAN BASE EQUIP MODIFICATIONS

Documented by Frank Agueci
1908 Colonel Sam Drive, Oshawa, Ontario L1H 8P7

quote Originally posted by SLYGUY: I have a carfax report for my GT. I couldn't find where it listed in the total for that year, but the number is: 1G2PG1199JP215774 Sly

Take the last 5 numbers of your VIN to find it's production number. Your GT is #15774 out of the 26,402 '88 Fieros built.

Sorry I didn't respond to you guys had to do the bonding thing with the wife (dinner)
GTJeff I will take you up on that offer at the Dells "Miller Lite" please. Got to watch my figure (LOL)
SlyGuy, Mr. Fiero is right the last five numbers of the Vin tell you what number you are: 15,774 of 26402.
Thank you to the others who have been putting their 1988 Vin# plus their options on here the more we get the more we will be able to answer any 88 fiero owners questions in the future, so keep it up!

mrfiero:
I believe you are correct. The build sheet has a notation indicating "Target wk" "0815".
I always thought it was strange there would be such a gap between mine and the last one.

I just got back from Minnesota Club Xmas party. Club President just installed the fogs lights after seeing mine. He said they were a dealer installed option. The numbers were in the parts book. None of the dealer paperwork indicates it was installed.

Again, thanks for the input. Jeff

my yellow forumula (sold today, looking for antother gt) had vin 1g2pe1199jp211715 with
build date Dec 27,1987