Blayde speaking...
oh yea, freakin' brother....
anyways, Mike, I hope you remember your password so I can start using my username now. Ah, I wouldn't buy a flowmaster from them.
-Blayde

Let the buyer beware...

If someone is in a business to make money, they set their price based on what they believe to be fair and reasonable. If it's too high, they won't do enough volume, especially once their research is public knowledge. Look at the variance in dew wipe prices that have been posted lately.
If you're willing to research the parts yourself (or get the info from a friend willing to share it, which is what I thought the purpose of this forum and the other I follow are), you may save a few bucks.
I bought my Dynomax catback for my T-bird from Summit for about half of what a tuner wants to charge for it. Go to your local custom car shop and price Eibachs for your Fiero, and I'll bet they're a lot cheaper from Summit or shox.com.

In their defense, at least they're willing to give a group discount. And they are willing to make some odd stuff for a very limited market. And if you don't like their attitude, you don't have to buy.

If flowmaster states that they DO NOT make one how the $%@# can you sell one??? It looks chopped down and re-welded to fit and their still calling it a flowmaster? Doesn't the flowmaster have specially designed baffles for flow and sound? Sounds like a rip of to me. I especially like how they do not reply to the straight questions about the muffler.

Have any of you gone to the web site of West Coast Fiero and read the info on the muffler, this topic would be done with. the web is
http://home.earthlink.net/~chriswest/index.html

I think the guys at west coast fiero are
very intelligent,creative guys with lousey
customer skills.FYI,the stuff these guys
make can be reproduced by any local race-
car shop without the califorina price
gouging.I know what i'm talking about,I've
been doing this stuff for 25YEARS,I'm just
new to fieros...somthing to think about

Some people are just never satisfied I guess.
Most race/fabrication businesses aren't specializing in Fieros I've found either,and this can be a problem when the going gets tough and it's your time/money paying for research and developement.
I've also been doing this for 15 years,professionally,and as a hobby,and unless you like to take things apart often,these parts are priced fairly.
Ever build your own muffler?

I have a few questions, and I don't mean to ruffle any feathers here either.

What is the reason for wanting a Flowmaster? My understanding is that they are only really useful on a highly modified engine, so unless you have forced induction, Nitrous, or a big block, you're not getting much more than a lot louder sound. Sure, they sound great with true duals and H-pipe, ala 5.0/4.6 Mustang, but on a small V-6? For over a hundred bucks, it seems to me you don't gain much on a stock motor. If all you want is a louder sound, put some megaphones on the tips. Port your manifolds and replace your worn out catalytic converter if you want more power.

What's wrong with Walker/Dynomax? I've got their catback on my T-bird, and I like the quality/sound a lot better than the Flowmaster catback I had before, and the price was a lot easier to swallow.

My stock sytem is loud enough. I have no trouble setting off cheapo car alarms in parking lots.

I haven't ever looked at a Walker/Dynomax muffler, but I can say that my Flowmaster is built to be bulletproof. I really don't notice that much difference in sound over a stock system, but my ass-o-meter tells me that less backpressure is = quicker revs. Plus I got a really cool decal with it.

Once again, here's the point: we're being offered a FLOWMASTER muffler for $120. Check around; any other replacement muffler for the Fiero is at least $180. Do the math, make up your mind, go in peace.
bb

I'm not knocking Flowmaster or anyone,but Dynomax used to be one of the highest flowing mufflers around.

Who likes Dill pickles??!!

I'm very interested in the discount price for the muffler. I got this info from the website in question and if you read this you should get all the info you need. Now how are we going to get the 5 people togeter to get this deal. My email is jlruiz67@pacbell.net

West Coast Fiero "Super-Flo" Muffler.

Larger View We take Flowmaster's best 40 Series Delta Flow Muffler and custom modify it to fit your Fiero.
Replace original muffler while preserving a stock appearance and factory fit. Works fine with your existing Catalytic Converter, or add a free- flowing cat for even larger power gains. Has 2-1/2" in and two 2" out Ports.

The "Super-Flo" Muffler is louder than stock, but has a nice mellow, aggressive tone.

$140.00

I like pickled okra. Yum!

Wont everyone be happy when this topic is over?

When my Grandma makes Jello, she sometimes adds little chunks of celery.... I really hate that.

I always hated those carrot shavings. Then I learned how to build a fence between my upper and lower teeth with carrot. Sucking lime jello through carrot shaving has got to be in the top ten of something.

Just when you'd think this thread is all played out...there's always room for jello.

This site always makes me grin. Many people many ideas.....Frank R....

BTW.....Thanks

Im just wondering??!! How can you take the Flowmaster 40-series muffler and cut it up to fit a Fiero without damaging the performance of the of the muffler? Flowmaster makes that muffler to certain tech specs for certain applications. How do you know if you cut it up you are not changing the specs (performance)for the worst when installed in a Fiero?
STOCK FIERO MUFFLER
Length: 12"
Width: 9-5/8"
Height: 5"
Single Inlet: 1-7/8"
Dual Outlet: 2"

FLOWMASTER FIERO MUFFLER
Length: 13"
Width: 10-3/4"
Height: 4"
Single Inlet: 2-1/2"
Dual Outlet: 2"

Now I know how you change the exterior (Cut & Weld) But what about the interior? If you make the shell smaller without changing the interior (baffles,chambers.ect..)of the muffler how do you know if your hurting your performance?

Sorry for rambleing on.......But I would like to know

Why do pickles have bumps?

Pickles again, next is more okra?
What is the matter with you people? This is not a vinegar forum!

But I always assumed bumpy cucumbers were special grown for pickling.

Pickles taste lousy in jello, good color but really stifles the sweet.

Eating jello out of the bag sure beats koolaid out of the bag. I am sure that studies would back this up, also sugar is so much better than vinegar that no research is necessary.

Rick...So they can grind!

SOMEONE PLEASE AWNSER HIS QUESTION!!!! preferably chirs or who ever sells the damn things. It has to hurt the muffler?, they are dyno tested and computer designed to flow more with the provided interior baffles, Have these mufflers even been dynoed to see if they hurt/help performance? Anyone can take a muffler and hack it up to fit. So an anwser to haze-performance's question Would be very important or unless no one knows and there just avoiding the subject buy making stupid comments.

Thanks for reading my post Pretender....At least someone cares.....

NOW SOMEONE PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTION?!?!?!?

You want answers?

"I want the truth!"

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

(the Pennock Forum Players production of "A Few Good Men"... Thank you for your support.)

Well after reading the other post about the flowmaster install and the pic's pretty much proved that this $140 muffler is a complete waste of money! Sorry if this truth hurts anyone. Check out that post and the pic's if your about to buy one of these $140 makeshift reproductions of a flowmaster.

If a bullet muffler was painted with lumpy green paint it would look just like a big pickle.
But if the outside is shrunk down without doing the same to the inside then it acquires an exo-baffle.
Not that I'm too much stupider than the next guy, but I thought the question answered itself and was rhetorical in nature.

I guess West Coast has no answers.

Maybe they are jst too busy working on actual CARS!! to be screwing around with this little round and round. If ya want it, buy it. If ya don't, don't. Personally I have an unmodified flowmaster in my car. Works great but looks NOTHING like the pic on the West Coast site.

I think the sad part of this is a lot of folks who have never had dealings with West Coast and never would have the wallet stuffings to fork over anyway, are stepping up to bash them. Someone who may have considered WCF to do a 3.8 swap would look elsewhere, maybe even (gulp!) ACE. (ACE would never piss anyone off with a forum post. Or return email. Or answer the damn phone. So they are safe,) Just keep swinging folks, and eventually you could tarnish their rep enough to put them out of the biz. Good luck! (vultures)

I don't think that the guys here are taking swings to take out WCF but it would be nice for WCF to anwser the questions that have been posted. I've rean every post on the $72 flwmaster install and i don't understand why somone would chop up a flowmaster muffler to fit, obviously if fits if you shorten the pipes on each end.

AAARRRGHH!! Triple post! Triple post!

sorry about that guys. i messed up i guess.

First I want to thank you nice people on the for doing a nice ink job on the Flowmaster muffler. We have sold 6 in 15 days not bad.! Now I will tell the people on the forum what I tell the people on the phone.
The Camaro muffler from flowmaster has been used on the fiero from 84 on when they started making the fiero. There are a couple of problems with this muffler. (1) It is loud loud loud not so much when it is idling but when you get on it is aggressive and sharp even with a cat and its very noisy, now some people like that and want to let everyone now that they are coming. (2) The Camaro muffler is also too long and you have to cut notches in the ends of the muffler to clear the frame. This will keep the muffler from rattling on the frame witch no. This will also give some clearance at the back, as you need about 1" clearance at the trunk's heat shield to keep the from burning the carpet. (3) The inlet is 21/2 in and outlet is 21/2. Now these have to be reduced this is not a big problem but has to be done. We have put a lot of these mufflers's in fiero's and we thought by using a smaller muffler it would fit better and the new delta flow would be quieter. We picked the flowmaster 40 series delta flow for it would be quieter and would be closer to the correct size 21/2 IN for the in and 2 IN, this is about the same dimensions as the stock muffler. We picked the 21/2 in for the 21/2 exhaust piping we are developing for the replacement. Now we modify the muffler on the out side by adding a path for the exhaust gases to get from one side of the muffler to the other so you can have duel exhaust.
What we do to the muffler is on the out side and does not affect the design. If you have seen a cutaway of the 80series Camaro we are doing the same thing but on the out side
This keeps from changing the interior design.
The last thing I want to say is Flowmaster does not make a direct replacement muffler and is not going to so. Almost any of the flowmaster mufflers will fit with some modification. I am using a series 40 with 2 chambers with one in and out for a turbo witch helps in making the tone a little quieter. If the price of the muffler is to high for you then don't by it from us, but giving us ink on how much we charge is relative to how much work is done to the muffler and this is the price we charge. As you will find out the amount of work to put a camaro muffler in is extensive.
Chris
West Coast Fiero

One final word from me. When you install the 80 series muffler, there is alot of pipe adaptation (sizing up) and cutting that transfers over to a fairly hefty price tag at the muffler shop. I think Alex was able to install his own, which is great. But, if you don't have the ability or equipment, you have to weigh the initial cost of the muffler and the added cost of installation. So, some of us opted for the modified version. And that's our preogative.
Happy thoughts!!
bb

finally the truth, second let's kill this thread, third 72 dollars for the muffler and 80 to install total 150, and no mods done just cut and weld, comming from someone that actually knows, no myths here!!.

I second that emotion.