I received an e-mail from Will at West Coast Fieros regarding a group discount of $20 per muffler if 5 or more mufflers are puchased. The regular price, as posted on their website is $140. Anyone(5) interested?

i checked out car parts and they have a 40 series flowmaster with dual out for 78, i wonder if it's the same as the one that west coast has?

Hey, Yea give us the details about em. Is it a dual outlet, what are the dimentions, inlet and outlet, (just the specs.)

it was summit who had it for 89,the 40 series, and 72 for the trans am one, now my question is if they both are the same in size why spend 20 or 30 more from west coast?i think i will order it from summit, and then i will take my exhuast out myself and weld the flowmaster in.

With the discount, the price is $120.
The muffler for the Camaro and Grand Am need special modification to make them fit in the Fiero compartment. The labor cost to do it brings the price way above getting the right size muffler in the beginning. I've been thru this whole thing extensively, and the Flowmaster muffler that West Coast sells is one of three, with Walker and Ocelot, that is designed specifically for the Fiero.
I leave it to you guys.

so bruce i guess flowmaster didn't help you at all, i thuoght you called them to see if they had one for our cars.

I called a technician and left the Fiero muffler specs on his voice-mail. Flowmaster is open Mon-Thurs, so there's still a chance I'll hear something on Tues. I'll keep you posted if they have something for us.
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please do so, if they have the sae oe like west but cheaper,then we just order it from them.

Hi this is Will at West Coast Fiero I thought I could help out here so here it goes. The Camaro/firebird Flowmaster is 3.00" in 2.50" out and 22" total diamiter and a 80 Series. Where the Flowmaster that we make here is 19" total and a 40 Series. To those who want to know all the specs it is 4" x 10" insie di and 19" total with piping and 13" out side di> If any1 is wondering what the stock muffler is 5x9 and 12 in long.

I will go for it. I need one.

so chris, you are saying that you guys make this flowmaster? i just finished talking to flowmaster and they said that they don't make anything for the fiero, and that the only muffler that we could use is the trans am flowmaster, so how could that be? if this is a real flowmaster what is the part number?the guy i talked to said that there is no way you guys could have that muffler because they don't make one, so please tell me who is right?

Good job, Al; I never received a response to the two messages I left for the Flowmaster guy. Interested in hearing Will's response about the series 40. Are we stuck with Ocelot and Walker?

This is Eric over here at West Coast Fiero, and I am gonna try and make this as easy for everyone here to under stand so that we can get off this topic and so that I can get back to work - The muffler we supply IS a Flow master, you CANNOT get it through Flow Master because we are the only supplier of this particular design - if you would like to call them, do so- but you will be wasting your time. The muffler is a 40 series, not a Camaro muffler which is an 80 series non-delta, so please guys - FIGURE IT OUT!
( P.S. - its getting to the point where you all sound like a bunch of old ladies arguing over a phone because they are not stopping to figure out what the other is saying )

LOL Can you say "custom" ?
Can we get a discount bundled with your cat?

Check around: the price that Will and Chris are offering us is exceptional. Other mufflers that are made for the Fiero (only two that I can find) run from $159 to $179. We're being offered the Flowmaster for $120, if we can get fove or more to the throw in. I'm # one.
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Wow, what an arrogant triple post from West Coast Fiero. I personally don't think it's helping business to call potential customers a bunch of arguing old ladies or to insinuate that we are incapable of understanding stuff. After reading all the posts that Eric of West Coast made, I'm still not clear how they can market a muffler using the name Flowmaster and have it not be a Flowmaster. Are they taking a 40 series muffler and modifying it or what. Never mind, with an attitude like that, I have no intention on doing business with West Coast. Guess they don't like getting money from us stupid people.

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well excuse me chris bt i thought customer came first! if i was there in front of you i bet you wouldn't have the nerve to say that to me in front of my face, not everyone is muffler savy that's why it's a forum not west coast forum, you can take your muffler and put it up your ass! as far as the other members in this forum you can buy his muffler but if someone called me names for asking questions screw that.

Make that three... I with Al and batboy.

Hi guys this is Will here I would just like to say that we are here too help out the fiero. We love the ar and the people we started west coast fiero to supply all of you out there in building the coolest little car GM ever made. We are sorry if some of you out there have been offened buy this muffler situation. Too all of those out there if you would still like to work out a disscount with us let Bruce know thank you.

Will West Coast Fiero

As far as the folks at West Coast saying it to yer face, yep they prolly would. Does that make me less likely to do business with them? Not hardly. These guys are well organized, know their business, and are perfectionists. And yes, they speak bluntly. I'd rather do my business with someone that provides excellent quality and value and is a bit brusque then someone who would kiss my ass then screw me. If they state they are selling a Flowmaster muffler, then its a Flowmaster. Just because the folks in Santa Rosa do not want to invest in stocking ad marketing a product with a small demand, doesn't preclude them making it as a special order.

Give em hell WestCoast, and keep on building the fiercest fieros around!

I'd rather do my business with someone that provides excellent quality and value and is not rude to potential customers, especially me. I get pissed off when that happens, you CAN'T do business like that and stay in business. By the way, I don't do business with people that screw me either and the few that do that to me only do it once and they usually regret it. I think the record shows that West Coast Fiero has had plenty of shipping problems in the past and I can personally vouch for one of them. You guys can do what you want, I'm never dealing with them again. I also don't have to triple post to get my point across and waste Cliff's bandwidth.

Oh yeah, by the way, maybe a little truth in advertising is in order. If I took a Flowmaster muffler and modified it by cutting it down and rewelding it, then sold it without telling people it was a MODIFIED Flowmaster, I bet I'd get in trouble at some point in time.

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Hey batboy, being kinda naive in netiquette myself, is triple (or double, whatever) posting an intentional thing or just a faux pas? I'm just askin. I thought the tone of the post was a bit off, and reading it thrice was like "okay, I get it" but I chalked it up to these guys being car guys, not computer guys or customer service reps. If you think these guys are rude, try dealing with Keith Huff. But they do know their sh*t like no one else in the biz when it comes to doing what they do well.
No disrespect to ya batboy, this is the kinder, gentler reformed stimpy, just a different viewpoint.

It's pretty rare for any of us to have to put up with getting kicked in the teeth while opening up our wallets, no vendor has to kiss my behind to get or keep my business but I try to treat a vendor in an honest and respectful manner and expect as a customer or potential customer for that common courtesy to be reciprocated. We can all think of people that do business here that do exactly that.

That being said, maybe Will had a bad day at work today off-list and I figure every dog deserves a bite.

funny how if someone sh--s in your face you easily disregard it as having a bad day, well let me tell you,i;ve worked at gm ford and dodge dealers fixing cars,if i would say to a customer anything to disrespect him or her and they complained,i would be fired on the spot no sorry i had a bad day crap,fired fired. you have to talk and answer all questions no matter how stupid, as long as the costumer feels like he's the king
because if you don't you won't have that customer any more, so if you guys don't care how a bussiness treats you well go ahead and buy,but for me i want respect not disrespect.

I spoke with Will at West Coast Fiero today, and you couldn't talk to a nicer guy. Incidentally, I called to order my Flowmaster muffler.
I think you have to understand that they are in a major consolidation with RSM, which is probably a logistical nightmare. Some times, we just have bad days.
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well said batboy, I agree with you totally.

hey.. whoa now... freakin' brother...

but... back on topic..
Personally, I don't think I'm going to be doing much business with Chris West... based on the postings on this forum, it only seems like they're out to make a buck. Haven't seen anything really infomative from them, only "we have this, buy it" posts. and now this. I realize they're a business and they have to make money.. but c'mon.. they are catering to a pretty small group here. just my 2 cents...

What the hell's going on in here??? DING!! DING!! Everyone goto your corners..

I would like to know how can you sell a
Flowmaster that Flowmaster dosnt make??
You should just say from the get go that its a modified Flowmaster to fit a Fiero.It will save alot of questions. Also how is the warranty on that muffler?? You conld'nt send it back to Flowmaster, they would void it because it was modified.(Now I know why the ricers put coffee cans on there cars, its less confusing )I think Ill just save my money and put it into the V8 conversion.

Ok, gotta chime in a bit here. West Coast Fieros is a small business. They operate a machine shop that urns out some great custom modifications. Although they do have a website, they are NOT a web-based business. Theydo not have a customer service department full of headset-wearing operators waiting to take your order. When you get these guys on the phone, they are shutting down the lathe and cleaning off with gojo to pick it up.
To compare these guys to your local Mr, Goodwrench service department on the level of crap taken from customers is a ludicrous comparison. There are about 7 or 8 GM dealers in Oklahoma City alone, and not one of them can fabricate a modification for me.

If you want to get all of your info on the net without checking it out in the real world, the forum has man great vendors on line. But I am afraid you may be limited to colored guage faces, hoodscoops, and headlight gears. Now a vendor comes to the forum that performs some really heavy duty stuff and they get b*tchslapped because they don't use enough smilies. Where is ACE posting on the forum, how about Keith Huff? Design One anywhere? I guess we really don't need any real engineers here, just customer service reps and fuzzydice.

There, my rant is over.

I believe Edelbrock sells carburetors with Weber logos on them,for exactly what reasons I'm not sure,Weber is one of the companies now under Fiat Spa,now tell that to 'ol Jethro driving his ford pickup with a Fiat carburetor.Our cars use Isuzu parts that were first engineered by Opel,who cares?

After the foreign car experience,and then making many of my own Fiero modifications, I'm very pleased to have a business to call on for specialty parts that actually tests the performance parts they make,and sell individually,not as a kit.Considering the short production runs,I think their prices are reasonable most of the time,and after all, these guys are doing,daily what we mostly talk about daily,you have to respect that a bit.It takes both kinds of enthusiasm to keep our cars the sports/classic that we know they are.

As posted earlier, the Flowmaster part number is 9424412. Listed for a Grand Am. West Coast, if this is not the part you use, please correct me. If so, it can be ordered through Summit.
P.S. West Coast, if it is not the same, then whats different?

And STILL we want to know... How can you market a Flomaster Muffler that Flomaster doesn't make!???!?!?!?!?!?!? Just answer the question.