Hey look can we get back to the original purpose of this forum-- to help other owners with problems and questions.
As I asked earlier in another thread that's being ignored because of this silly hen clucking----

Does anyone know where I can get the proper slave cylinder for my hydraulic clutch system. I need the small diameter 13/16 tubular type. All the masters' I've found are 13/16 but every slave I've gotten has been a different size-none in 13/16.

Laws haf mercy! (just thought I'd get in here before the janitor)

Now I've been known to come out and throw punches south of the beltline, but legal action? Calling the gubmint? Sheesh! Mike, whats really goin on here? Do I need to go back and erase my posts where I admit to having used illicit substances in the past lest the DEA and their doggies sniff out a seed in my car? This is some scary shiite!

Backus, that isnt very nice. You dont do this to good people. And as far as I'm concerned, these are all good people...leave them alone.

And I PROMISED Cliff we'd be on out best behaviour while he was on vacation

I reconnected my egr because my car idled high. I say we just forget this whole thread before reputations get hurt (I always respected mw's opinions and one small mistake shouldnt hurt that).

Now I should go into a little bit of psych.
Use the Zip the Lip theory, if you would have never talked about reporting people to the epa then this would have never happened.

Do we, as fiero owners, want other visitors looking into buying a precious fiero to come into OUR beloved forum and read this BS.

the answer is NO, I may not be the most intellegent human on the planet, but I do feel that I have the right to have my own personal opinions and should not be reported to a goverment agency everytime I speak my mind.

I'm going to stop now and I hope that all of the users of this forum will stop and think about this for a moment or two.

Thanks for listening.....

Besides, I thought we were all here to help one another, what happend??? Backus,
you should lay off of these guys, they dont deserve this crap...be cool man.

Serious question here: A 12 year old (or older)emissions system is going to have some parts fail. What if a particular part fails due to age and owner ignorance? Something like carbon plugged lines or stopped up vacume hoses?

WHOA... this is way out of hand...

For the record, I think even the best running Fiero engine still has too much pollution. Any pollution is too much. Then again, I'm somewhat of an environmentalist.. I don't go out picking up garbage on the side of the highway.. I don't stand in front of trees to prevent them from being cut down.. but I DO plan on doing whatever I can to reduce the amount of harmful emissions coming from my vehicle.

That being said.. while I might think it's bad for others to sacrifice clean air for a little performance, I think it is FAR WORSE to try to get them in trouble for doing so! If someone wants to modify their engine.. they can go ahead and do so. They have to breathe the same air I do.. same with smoking. I think it's very bad, but who am I to tell people they can't smoke? I can enforce that in my own house.. but that's about it.

On the other hand, I have several modifications in mind that I'm hoping will radically DECREASE the emissions from the Fiero engine. Some of the mods might affect the factory pollution controls because they're no longer needed. Under existing pollution laws, I could get in trouble even if I managed to reduce the pollution to a small fraction of what was produced when the engine was NEW.
does that mean I should be reported to the EPA? some people might think so...

This forum has had a few troublemakers in the past, but nothing so far has been this serious. what's next, tracking down people and reporting them for street racing or speeding?

I think everyone should just calm down.............

I have been a member of this forum for 2yrs, and in this time I have made over 600 posts, all but a very few were in an effort to help those on the forum. I am a law-abiding, taxpaying citizen who has always been good for his word. (Yes my EGR system works perfectly, and I have the EPA stickers posted correctly for my MSD system). I don’t go out of my way to report those who tamper with their emission system, but I do when someone flagrantly flaunts that they have done it to numerous cars, sold those cars as the engines put on appreciable miles to some unsuspecting victim, and then proceeds to try everything possible to convince those that have reservations about this to “go ahead and do it also”.

I doubt very much that the EPA will prosecute this matter, and to me it is but an issue of principal.
In doing so I have discovered that the majority of participants on this forum are not of the caliber that I had once thought. If it is lying, liable, lawbreaking, and flaming that you stand for, than in my opinion you are nothing but white trash, and I will no longer be a member of such a group

Good Day

Wow! Did I just see some holier than thou, prejudiced, guano being spewed just now. I was going to try and stay out of this, but Mike...you are wrong! That ain't cool!

Mike, I think it's pretty clear to me that you are no longer wanted here. Maybe in the future you will choose your battles more carefully.

Well..If it makes any of you or the damned EPA. I have no cat, a small 2 chamber muffler (gotta blend in with the rice) egr what? while driving doen the road with a hair spray can out the window with the nozzel taped down.....So what I get of this, someone made someone uposet with a post, and the couldnt e-mail them dirrect, we had to be part of all the **** ....Bassicaly, "You hurt my feelings im telling the law" Well each to his own.... POWER TO THE HAIRSPRAY CAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-)

God this is so fun

White Trash? I resemble that comment! Let's see how many lawbreakers we have here.
Did you drive 36 mph in that 35 mph school zone? LAWBREAKER!
Did that gum wrapper fly out of your open sunroof? LAWBREAKER!
Is that pen on your home desk from the office? LAWBREAKER!
Did you fail to hitch your horseless carriage to the hitching post when you parked this afternoon? LAWBREAKER!!! (yes-that one is still on the books in some states)

"Let him without sin cast the first stone."
This is out of hand- Get over it and move on. Let us exercise our own choices, even if they are not within the letter of the law.

Hey mike

Consider this everyone is wrong but you are right. Do you know what the odds are towards that ...... Astronomical

Oh yeahhhh here is a friendly advise

"SEEK LIFE ELSWHERE"

Later

Ok, everyone take a deep breath. This does not belong on the "technical discussion" forum. Let it drop. Thanks. Let's talk about it on the O/T section.

Well, it's funny, but technically, ol'MWBackus was mostly right(mostly). So I think he won the battle, then proceeded to lose the war. There comes a time when you just have to walk away from the keyboard and keep your thoughts to yourself. A very pointed lesson to us all.
Happy trails Backus. Hope your lawyer doesn't laugh you out of his office.

mwbackus, I agree with your original point that the engine is more prone to pinging (and possible piston damage) without an EGR. From all research I've done, it's operation is calculated into the ECMs fuel and timing curves. Disconnecting it without reprogramming the ECM could make it run lean under certain conditions. I will post the link later (other computer) that explains the reasons in great detail.

Otherwise...
I just re-read the whole thing. It seems to me you are the one that escalated things to flaming and legal issues.

white trash... how do you know what color any of us are???

libel... what about the thinly veiled threats to ferocious???

Also, it seems that someone that seems so concerned with legal issues would not have posted copyrighted information on another site without permission. Or maybe you did get Cliff's permission before posting the original thread on that other site???

[edited because I accidently had a premature submition because of this stupid laptop keyboard... ]

[This message has been edited by DRH (edited 05-23-2000).]

White TRASH !?! Dammit, now you've PISSED me off as well. The people here are the best ever and you have the audacity to put them down by using such a derogatory term. Mwbackus, I am new to this forum and although I may not be "Blessed" with your "Superior" knowledge and your strong command of the English language, I do know one thing, the members of this forum have been helpful with one another and due to the nature of the volume of members on this forum, there has been and will be conflicting views. Some of those views have been debated rather heatedly. Usually when it gets out of hand,others will intercede to diffuse the situation (usually with humor) and then we're back to business helping each other. This community is truly unique in its own merit and I have now felt a strong urge to reply to your outlandish statement. I am not even a member of the Caucasian Race but after reading your remarks, I must say ....YOU NEED TO GET SMACKED RIGHT IN BETWEEN YOUR F**KING EYES. If anyone is behaving childishly, that would be you Sir. If you have the need to report others to Big Brother,that is your business. What really gets to me is, just because you can't take a little resistance to your statements,now ya gotta go crying to your mama and tell her what the other boys said about you. You need to get your little Candyass a life.

Is mine hooked up correctly. I wouldn't want to get into any trouble.

uh... i've been lying. i don't own a fiero or any other car. i ride a bike with filtered air in the tires. and just to be safe and enviormentaly concious i've got an egr thingy taped to the frame.

On her way to Alaska in 1904 my grandmother traveled Oklahoma to Seattle in a wagon. I just bet she wished the oxen recirculated their exhaust gasses.

I origonally posted this in Totally O/T and couldn't resist posting it here. It fits all too well.

How many forum members does it take to change a light bulb?

1 to successfully change the light bulb
and to post to the message board that the light bulb has been changed.

* 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could
have been changed differently or more efficiently.

* 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs.

* 86 to tell how superior their past light bulbs are to yours.

* 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs.

* 53 to flame (send angry messages to) the others.

* 16 to write to the board administrator complaining about the light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this message board.

* 19 to post that this board is not about light bulbs and to please take this discussion to a more appropriate location.

* 23 to demand that posts about changing light bulbs be stopped or deleted! "We are
here to talk about cars!"

* 19 to defend the posting to this board, saying that, "We all use light bulbs & therefore the posts ARE relevant to this board."

* 12 to post that "some posters seem to be AGAINST certain brands of light bulbs, no
matter how they work in different situations or in different lamps. "Sometimes, it's the
lamp's fault, not the bulb, so don't always
blame the bulb."

* 99 to post urgent messages begging everyone to calm down and be peaceful & respectful.

* 27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs.

* 12 to post to the board that they are quitting because they cannot handle the light
bulb controversy.

*2 lone members that know each other that go off in a tangent discussing something totally unrelated amongst themselves.

* 19 to complain that their posts disappeared.

* 1 to propose new light bulb message board for those who want to continue the light
bulb discussion.

* 4 to post that they are new and would like some background info on the light bulb
brouhaha.

* 26 to post that they don't really want to know. It's all too silly to go into, but welcome to the board!

* 16 people pointing out to the 4 new people where the light bulb discussion FAQ is so
that they stop asking the same dumb questions about light bulbs.

And Finally, a moderator to lock out the light bulb discussion, drawing everone else who had yet to open up the thread about light bulbs to read it, making them wish they had
posted about light bulbs before it was locked out.

My friends and i have easily a dozen illegal vehicles among us.

My mustang gets maybe 10mpg.

I just ditched the cats on my Bronco 2.

My buddy's 81 cutlass has a '68 Olds 372c.i. engine, no emissions, no cats, and an Edelbrock 350. I proudly helped build that one.

I haven't seen a factory air cleaner in so long i wouldn't know one if you hit me in the head with it.

Another buddy has an "H-pipe pile" behind his shop, where we throw all the factory mustang Hpipes in favor of off road ones for our STREET CARS.

AND IF ANYONE DOESN'T LIKE IT, THEY CAN COME DOWN TO TEXAS AND TRY TO TAKE IT AWAY.

Hopefully Cliff will close this thread now and i'll have the last word. I'm sick of this whining.

Well, sorry but it looks like I have the last word. so.... WORD

quote Originally posted by triker: ponya, I put in a thread on this a couple of days ago. You don't need an EGR unless you get tested for emissions. If you don't use it for awhile it'll get plugged up with carbon and will have to be cleaned out before you put it back in service. To eliminate it and your code 32, just hook the vacuum line from the manifold to the little square box on the solenoid. The little box looking thing is just a switch letting the ECM know that there is vacuum to the EGR and it will be happy.

I'm afraid this was what started it all. And the funny thing is, I've only used this as a temp fix. Both times I've had my solenoid go bad, I only bypassed it this way until I could find another used solenoid to replace it with and not have to look at the SES light in the meantime. I took some offense when Backus jumped all over me about how it would ruin an engine run in this manner. I did remove the cat on my 87GT, but only because the ceramic was broken and sounded like a bucket of bolts whenever I hit a rough spot. I removed the cat from my trike because it's not required on a motorcycle and I will have to put it on my GT someday. I just wanted to say that I'm sorry it led where it did. Triker

I would imagine that at some point someone else would have said something to upset Mr. Backus causing this very result. He put it on himself and if he cannot find anyother way than to lose his cool and insult everyone than that is more an illumination on his person than anyone else.

Wow, I didn't check the forum for one day...