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82-T/A [At Work]
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AUG 15, 01:00 PM
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Randy, everything you just said... and now, the fall of Afghanistan. The American flag was just removed from the US embassy... there's a firefight at the airport (HKIA), and the Canadians, Germans, and British are all flying out / escaping as we speak, but Biden just announced a "shelter in place," so everyone has to hide under their desks as the Taliban approach even more quickly. Can you imagine any more of a failure as this? Literally, the Italians, Mongolians, Ukranians, and other coalition forces all left, literally there's no one protecting the capital right now except the Marines assigned to the embassy and a few contract security forces.
Telling you right now, this is going to end up being worse than Saigon in 1975.
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randye
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AUG 15, 08:49 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Randy, everything you just said... and now, the fall of Afghanistan. The American flag was just removed from the US embassy... there's a firefight at the airport (HKIA), and the Canadians, Germans, and British are all flying out / escaping as we speak, but Biden just announced a "shelter in place," so everyone has to hide under their desks as the Taliban approach even more quickly. Can you imagine any more of a failure as this? Literally, the Italians, Mongolians, Ukranians, and other coalition forces all left, literally there's no one protecting the capital right now except the Marines assigned to the embassy and a few contract security forces.
Telling you right now, this is going to end up being worse than Saigon in 1975. |
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I'm actually more reminded of being evacuated from Tehran back in September of 1979, (we left a couple of months before Kohmeini's muslim maniacs overran the US embassy the following November).
The feckless and reckless, Demorat, Jimmy Carter was in office then and the ensuing crisis that dragged on for OVER A YEAR helped usher in Ronald Reagan.
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FieroSTETZ
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AUG 16, 01:42 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
You're a Democrat, and you want to defend Biden, and that's OK.
I'm registered Republican, and perhaps instinctively want to attack Biden... no different than your mentality on the topic.
But let's look at this pragmatically... these problems he's dealing with are NOT hard problems.
The border: a really simple problem to solve. Of course there are going to be more people coming after his administration, the rhetoric that's come from his party played a big part in a mass influx of illegals. If you support Open Borders (regardless if you are wrong in feeling that way or not), then you can consider what Biden has been doing a success. If you have any objectivity about how we should be handling a massive influx of poor, uneducated, and unskilled people coming into this country... when we already have problems of our own, then you'd recognize this has been an abject disaster. He could have... at the very least, continued to maintain the Trump-era policies. He immediately eliminated all of these policies for the sole purpose of appeasing his radical-left side of his party. It will never be enough for them, and do they even make up a sizeable voting block? Maybe, I don't know... but he's clearly pissing everyone else off as more than 1.4 million illegals have streamed into this country since he took office... all of which are now sapping resources from our welfare institutions and charities.
The economy: he's certainly not HELPED the economy. It's amazing it's still doing as well as it was despite everything he's been doing. He's continued to push pandemic stimulus when everyone is telling him that he doesn't need to. We have runaway inflation right now... which is raising the cost of pretty much everything... literally hurting the very people the Democrat party pretends to be helping. It's been fantastic for me... you don't need to know my finances... but I'm not getting hurt by this... but I know others are. He hasn't even been able to pass any bills yet, other than spending bills... imagine how much worse it can get if he's actually able to pass tax law? Good lord, just wait.
Energy Production: why cancel pipelines and eliminate leases? The cost of gasoline is outrageous. Not for me... I don't even look at the cost of gas before I pump... but for a lot of people, this means the difference between being able to pay their bills or not.... e.g., it hurts the very people they say their policies are supposed to be helping. If Biden wants to push for electric vehicles, there are certainly many easier ways to do this through encouragement and tax breaks... which I'm sure would see bi-partisan support.
My honest opinion, and you are more than free to discount... I don't actually think Biden knows what's going on. Anyone that's seen him in a non-controlled environment can tell that he literally behaves like a dementia patient that wandered out of a nursing home. I think the DNC, by and large... is running the country by committee, and as such, they can't really figure out what it is they want, and they're screwing up a LOT because there is no single person actually guiding the country. I almost imagine Biden waking up one day and announcing in a moment of clarity to everyone that he's being puppeted and he starts making decisions and they immediately take him off air. The fact that the media on both sides clearly admit that Biden likely won't be running in 2024 should be all that you need to know. |
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I'm actually not - but it *is* concerning that asking for someone to provide actual concrete examples to support a claim becomes a partisan issue. It speaks volumes.
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FieroSTETZ
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AUG 16, 01:46 AM
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Linking to an opinion blog isn't fact checking.
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Rickady88GT
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AUG 16, 12:07 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by FieroSTETZ:
I just see a lot of posts here with people screaming that the sky is falling, but it would nice to objectively review the hard data to do some good, solid critical thinking.
Linking to an opinion blog isn't fact checking. |
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I noticed you haven't discussed the critical thinking as alluded to. Kinda seems like you just like screaming at people.
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FieroSTETZ
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AUG 16, 12:22 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Rickady88GT:
I noticed you haven't discussed the critical thinking as alluded to. Kinda seems like you just like screaming at people. |
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I'm not yelling at anyone, might want to curb the projection, it serves no purpose. I haven't screamed at anyone - merely asked for data. None has been provided.
I'm simply curious what data you all use to come to conclusions, beyond parroting what other people say. I'm not here to say whether anyone's opinion is right or wrong, just asking how you come to the conclusions you do. All that's been provided so far is either pasted opinions, restated opinions, or links to unsubstantiated opinions. Those aren't data, facts, or numbers - they're opinions. My initial query was, what data do you use to reach these conclusions.
Critical thinking is defined as "the objective analysis and evaluation of an issue in order to form a judgment.". That means data-driven analysis and decision making. Data is the core component of that. Objectivity is another core component. So far, when I asked for data to back up the claims, I was provided with no data, and an abject lack of objectivity.
I ask for examples, and I'm met with the assumption "WELL THATS BECAUSE YOU'RE A DEMOCRAT" and a wall of text re-statement of opinion. None of that is data, and it's clearly not objective. I say again, it's extremely troubling that asking for proof on something becomes a partisan issue.
I'm not here to argue, just trying to get an insight into how things work in the echo chamber this place has become. Thread after thread of wild gesticulation and opinion with never any evidence to back it up. It's just.. troubling. I was simply looking to have a discussion based on facts and numbers, but as anticipated it quickly devolves into name calling, shouting, and projection.[This message has been edited by FieroSTETZ (edited 08-16-2021).]
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Jake_Dragon
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AUG 16, 12:31 PM
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Can someone give me some examples of things Biden supporters are proud of?
Serious question, for the record I don't like any of the politicians that have been in office in the last 30 years but there are some I dislike more than others.
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FieroSTETZ
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AUG 16, 12:41 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:
Can someone give me some examples of things Biden supporters are proud of?
Serious question, for the record I don't like any of the politicians that have been in office in the last 30 years but there are some I dislike more than others. |
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The whole idea of political "supporters" is gross. They're not rock stars. They're not celebrities. They're people elected to do a job. If they successfully accomplish that job, they get voted to another term. If they fail at that job, they get voted out. That's the democratic process, and it's one of the foundations of our nation.
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rinselberg
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AUG 16, 12:56 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:
Can someone give me some examples of things Biden supporters are proud of?
Serious question, for the record I don't like any of the politicians that have been in office in the last 30 years but there are some I dislike more than others. |
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I like Team Biden's push for Offshore Wind Energy.
I've even chronicled it (to a modest extent) . . .
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/126287.html
Even if it doesn't work as well as its supporters are hoping for, I believe the human energy behind it will find expression in other efforts to decarbonize the national economy.
I like to see Team Humanity giving it a "finish", even if the final score awards victory to an unforgiving "Mother Nature."[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 08-16-2021).]
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Rickady88GT
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AUG 16, 12:57 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by FieroSTETZ:
I'm not yelling at anyone, might want to curb the projection, it serves no purpose. I haven't screamed at anyone - merely asked for data. None has been provided.
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Fair enough
But if you really mean what you say, then don't project on me either. I did not say you were yelling, I used your comments against your projections on others. "Kinda seems like" isn't exactly what I call hard evidence. It just kinda seems like an observation? What exactly is "yelling" on a car forum anyways?
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I'm simply curious what data you all use to come to conclusions, beyond parroting what other people say. I'm not here to say whether anyone's opinion is right or wrong, just asking how you come to the conclusions you do.
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I know this is just semantics but you asked for "data" then asked what people use to come to conclusions, as if people do not use opinions to form conclusions? If you ask for "data" on economic confidence, you will never get an answer. Quite literally economic confidence is based on people's opinions. That article has both hard data and opinions and you rejected the notion of commenting, outside calling this forum an echo chamber. You know you can brake the cycle by offering your objective opinions and then back it up with examples of "data".
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All that's been provided so far is either pasted opinions, restated opinions, or links to unsubstantiated opinions. Those aren't data, facts, or numbers - they're opinions. My initial query was, what data do you use to reach these conclusions.
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Within the posted articles are some data, facts and numbers. You can link you contributions as well.
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Critical thinking is defined as "the objective analysis and evaluation of an issue in order to form a judgment.". That means data-driven analysis and decision making. Data is the core component of that. Objectivity is another core component. So far, when I asked for data to back up the claims, I was provided with no data, and an abject lack of objectivity.
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Ok, I do not disagree. But like I have said, you aren't doing any of this yourself.
It is a perfectly respectable position to take, I am willing to say that many people in this "echo chamber" echo your desire for more factual and unbiased data for the betterment of knowledge, understanding and opinion forming purposes.
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I'm not here to argue people, just trying to get an insight into how things work in the echo chamber this place has become.
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And yet with all your posts to this point, you have accused, projected and assumed,....without providing any data, facts or numbers.
I am open to your opinions, for debate and those requested facts, data and numbers do drive the debate in the right direction, but like you we all have an opinion and those will be expressed in ANY debate. So I am realistic enough to acknowledge this fact, are you?[This message has been edited by Rickady88GT (edited 08-16-2021).]
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