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Gridlock
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SEP 10, 09:42 PM
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| quote | | Furthermore, from that cowardly sneek attack by the Japs we lost a lot of good men at Pearl Harbor. I won't use any Japanese manufactured parts on my Fiero even if they gave them to me for nothing! |
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Oh good god thats funny
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I don't think that he owns shares in an iridium mine, he came on and told his experience.What is it with this forum and the subject of sparkplugs? I'm surprised no one has said they wouldn't put $12 densos in a dogs butt. Trev
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JEDI
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SEP 10, 11:23 PM
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Ugh...wow this thread is going nowhere fast. Kinda of an intresting read though. Can someone actually get around to dynoing these plugs vs other plugs or something so we would all know for sure? PS: Let me know if I should post a "down in flames image". ------------------
Yea though I walk through the valley of imports, I shall fear no Civic. For General Motors art with me. Thy Mid-engine and rear drive shall comfort me. Fiero be thy name, Pontiac be thy kingdom.
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Oreif
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SEP 10, 11:50 PM
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Rogue_Ant
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SEP 11, 01:10 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 2fn4wrds:
Now that were all heated, let's clear some things up. I never said you did'nt know anything. The way you dismiss something new without personally researching it is shortsighted.
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How many times do I have to say I've researched them before...and find them no better then (performance wise) then average copper plugs?
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From the begining I said I felt a SLIGHT IMPROVEMENT with these plugs, and others agreed. Did you read that? Again, did you actually read what I said about the plug.
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GREAT! You felt improvement, but misleading people to think that if they buy these plugs there car will run any better is grossly misleading
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All you are interested in is how much hp my engine has. Thats not what this thread is about. I believe my engine is producing something between 190-200hp at the crank.
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I couldn't care less about how much HP your car has. But just agreed with a statment of dissagrement with your statment of 200hp.
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I also believed that before the plugs went in. When it gets dynoed before the turbo goes in I'll post the results, even if its 170 or whatever.
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Will be interested to see the dyno. And then after the turbo install...turbos are something I'm quit familiar with.
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I also believe the chip that was made just for my car from the canadian company WESTERS G. gave me an honest 20hp.
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I personally don't believe in 'universal chips'. Now yours was custom for your car...but since your turboing it, your custom chip will become obsolete.
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This thread is'nt about wether or not my car passes your probability test it's a about informing those that have'nt heard about the small but significant gains thousands of racers are getting with this technology.
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Ok, inform people that there are 'iridium electrode' spark plugs but don't try to say they do something when you can't back it up with proof. That is what got Splitfire in trouble with a little while ago.....
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Go research it yourself and you'll stop trying to debate this iridium technology you know nothing about. The results are in for those who care. In the meantime my little red fiero is a blast and runs perfectly. One of the top ten funnest cars ever made ( when properly set up ). don't forget to be thankful today. 9/11/01
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I was at Gate 1 on Ft. Carson Colorado, when that happened, on that September morning. To be a soldier, and seeing the people your suppose to protect get murdered...I won't ever forget.
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P.S. Rogue, where did you get this " now I have a race car " line. |
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That is the basic 'Ricer' mentality. They thing that since they put on the newest thing that now there car is a Race car. Rogue
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2fn4wrds
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SEP 11, 02:40 AM
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Rogue, Anyone here can do a google search (denso iridium dyno test)you'll find many personal testimonies w/ dyno test results from PROFFESIONAL RACE CAR MECHANICS and others, you won't find one negative site. Also coinball, the 8th responder to this thread had personal dyno experience with the denso iridiums plugs, have you read it? Having some knowledge about iridium plugs does'nt = personal experience with DENSO iridium plugs, agreed. Have you put them in your car or personally dynoed them? If not then you are further away from relevance or credibility than I am. My experience WAS personal and continues to be. Your crazed need to discredit these plugs and myself is wacko irrationalo symtymatico de angero. How can I be misleading people, which means to knowingly defraud them when I'm simply sharing a very positive experience I had with a product. Which has happened to thousands of others the more I find out. What happens to your ego when someone here dynos these things and registers a gain. Get prepared!
I do think this thread is getting a bit outta hand. I have to say in light of this unspeakably difficult anniversary for many that I really, really, really appreciate your service to our great country that allows crazy conversations like this to take place. peace man...
P.S. Westers G. in Canada will reprogram my chip according to my future upgrades for life FOR FREE. That's his policy for everyone. Lyndon the owner is a genius...and has done nothing but program chips for many years. But actually I think John of the KFGroup in canada where I'm getting my turbo includes one. Peace
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Rogue_Ant
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SEP 12, 12:12 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 2fn4wrds:
Rogue, you definetly need counseling you're flippin your lid. You must have written the last response drunk or somethin'.
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Say what? Just because I've rebutted your statements doesn't mean I'm 'flippin my lid'.
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Anyone here can do a google search (denso iridium dyno test)you'll find many personal testimonies w/ dyno test results from PROFFESIONAL RACE CAR MECHANICS and others, you won't find one negative site.
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Uh-huh, I did do a search just as you suggested and almost all that came up were 'testimonies' from people sponsored by Denso, or were some kind of magazine who gets paid to run Denso stuff (called advertising). Also here is a quote from the google search. "Denso-Iridium Spark Plugs We spoke with the folks from Denso at the SEMA show on the Iridium plugs and decided to purchase a set ($8.50/plug approximately). We're using the recommended IQ16's in our '97 Dakota and, quite honestly, they don't perform any better than the Autolite 3923's (or 3922's) I normally run. We'll check out the long-term fuel economy as well...but the initial results aren't too promising. Update 02/20/02: We've run the truck with over 5000 miles on the Denso spark plugs and are switching back to the Autolites. " Doesn't sound like good praise to me...
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Also coinball, the 8th responder to this thread had personal dyno experience with the denso iridiums plugs, have you read it?
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Yeah, basically he said the same thing you did....I felt hp increase, but couldn't prove it. And then the 'hear-say' about his buddies GSXR....
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Having some knowledge about iridium plugs does'nt = personal experience with DENSO iridium plugs, agreed. Have you put them in your car or personally dynoed them? If not then you are further away from relevance or credibility than I am.
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Having an in-depth understanding of how a reciprocal internal combustion engine works is more relevant.
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My experience WAS personal and continues to be. Your crazed need to discredit these plugs and myself is wacko irrationalo symtymatico de angero.
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Personal attacks shows lack of intelligence, and maturity.
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How can I be misleading people, which means to knowingly defraud them when I'm simply sharing a very positive experience I had with a product.
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ugg, if your feeling a gain then its either the simple fact that your running a different heat index plug, putting in fresh ones, or the stock ignition system isn't capabile of producing an arc because of incorrect gap.
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P.S. Westers G. in Canada will reprogram my chip according to my future upgrades for life FOR FREE.
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Sounds like a good place. Rogue [This message has been edited by Rogue_Ant (edited 09-12-2002).]
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2fn4wrds
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SEP 12, 02:37 AM
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2fn4wrds
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SEP 12, 03:01 AM
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"And research my Ass have you dyno'ed your car with 'regular plugs' then changed over to the iridiums, no you haven't so WTF do you know?" Rogue quote
There are many more positive listings! and until someone dynos a fiero who's to say... except me.
Rogue, Be as right as you need to feel, I'm done. If you keep your mind in this "I can never be wrong" mode You'll be safe, from what? If you don't think this spark plug can make a significant performance difference to the point of blinding anger that's your hang up and counseling bill. I hope everything works out for you, time is to valuable for this endless crap. For me this thread is over------------------
87'gt 3.4L [This message has been edited by 2fn4wrds (edited 09-12-2002).]
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1FST2M6
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SEP 12, 02:05 PM
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ooh man I've been missing out! lol.. i've dynoed them in more then just the 60* V6 Fiero and they make no more HP/TQ than the Factory match of an NGK. but yes there is an improvement over autolite and ac i came here thinking he was being attacked for his claiming to feel the hp.. but after reading.. this is one place you should never claim 200hp.. there are too many of us that do race and dyno - tune our cars and know it's max values.. 200hp is way beyond that max value. a turbo 2.8 on 12psi only makes 190hp with proper fuel and timing management.. that just barely over 200hp at the crank. and the prior statment about never using Jap plug even if they were given to ya.. uum ok why are you using a german designed induction system... a few germans are hated nationaly too. Sounds awful Close-minded to me. and were are your dyno graphs? or witnessed 1/4 or 1/8th mile time slips. heck even SCCA Solo times and the date and location of the event to compare aginst other cars.
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Sootah
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SEP 12, 02:19 PM
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