This Cruise accident in SF is confirming my suspicions about autonomous software (Page 2/4)
IMSA GT JAN 28, 02:13 PM
In the case of the Cruise vehicles that Kit mentioned, they are not fast enough to process everyday human decisions. In other words, in San Francisco you can have cars, bikes, buses, motorcycles, and pedestrians moving erradically all over the roadway and the Cruise vehicles have caused major delays and accidents in that environment. On the highway going straight, no problem.
82-T/A [At Work] JAN 29, 07:47 AM

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Originally posted by IMSA GT:

In the case of the Cruise vehicles that Kit mentioned, they are not fast enough to process everyday human decisions. In other words, in San Francisco you can have cars, bikes, buses, motorcycles, and pedestrians moving erradically all over the roadway and the Cruise vehicles have caused major delays and accidents in that environment. On the highway going straight, no problem.




I had to look them up... it appears as though Cruise Taxi only exists in San Francisco. I commend them for allowing the pilot of this stuff... it looks like they revoked their ability to operate back in October (not sure if that changed, I only spent a couple of seconds looking it up). I wonder how their software compares to what Tesla has...
maryjane JAN 29, 01:41 PM

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But the same thing used to be said about welders until they were all replaced in manufacturing by robots 20-30 years ago



All????
Not even close.
IMSA GT JAN 30, 10:17 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
I had to look them up... it appears as though Cruise Taxi only exists in San Francisco. I commend them for allowing the pilot of this stuff... it looks like they revoked their ability to operate back in October (not sure if that changed, I only spent a couple of seconds looking it up). I wonder how their software compares to what Tesla has...



The Cruise taxis stop when they sense emergency lights. The issue is that they stop right in the middle of the road and block the emergency vehicle from passing through. Last year, one slammed into a fire truck going through an intersection. And as a goof, people who hate the cars simply walk up and place a safety cone on the hood which causes the car to stop, turn its hazard lights on, and sit there. Just more horrible ideas from a horrible state. I'm ashamed to live here at this point.

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82-T/A [At Work] JAN 31, 08:40 AM

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Originally posted by IMSA GT:

The Cruise taxis stop when they sense emergency lights. The issue is that they stop right in the middle of the road and block the emergency vehicle from passing through. Last year, one slammed into a fire truck going through an intersection. And as a goof, people who hate the cars simply walk up and place a safety cone on the hood which causes the car to stop, turn its hazard lights on, and sit there. Just more horrible ideas from a horrible state. I'm ashamed to live here at this point.





Hahaha... well, I can't argue with you on the other stuff, but I do have to give the city credit for at least allowing innovation like this to take place. There are not a lot of cities that I think would allow an autonomous vehicle testing. Even though I dislike the idea (since I know it will eventually become a requirement in the future), I do like the fact that at least they allowed innovation.
maryjane JAN 31, 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by IMSA GT:


The Cruise taxis stop when they sense emergency lights. The issue is that they stop right in the middle of the road and block the emergency vehicle from passing through. Last year, one slammed into a fire truck going through an intersection. And as a goof, people who hate the cars simply walk up and place a safety cone on the hood which causes the car to stop, turn its hazard lights on, and sit there. Just more horrible ideas from a horrible state. I'm ashamed to live here at this point.





What's all that crap on top of the roof?
Cliff Pennock JAN 31, 01:55 PM

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Originally posted by maryjane:

What's all that crap on top of the roof?



Lidar and radar. (I presume)
theogre FEB 01, 11:55 PM
"Self driving cars are safe" is
And all forms of "Super Cruise" &/or Auto Braking have Huge Problems w/ Many Complaints to US NHTSA & related Agencies in other countries. IIHS & other NGO & more has tested many of those too & Most Failed Badly.

Example: Tesla have problems w/ Class Action Lawsuits, FTC etc for Fraud because of "Autopilot" ads & other Marking. Tesla & others have Force owners into Arbitration to stop most lawsuita in the U.S. & if they Settle a case, all are under NDA & more to bankrupt or jail you if talk about the case.

Every time they added more "foolproof" safety items to your vehicles, Fools just find other ways to Kill you &/or themselves. Like weight on Steering Wheel to trick "Autopilot"/"Super Cruise" that driver is "paying attention."

But many including MSM "keep drinking the Koolaid" like most Tesla Fanboys saying will happen in a year to two... Because Electric Jesus Musk said same crap many years ago.

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Cliff Pennock FEB 02, 02:38 AM

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"Self driving cars are safe" is



No it's not. Numbers don't lie. Unless of course you think those numbers are fabricated.


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Example: Tesla have problems w/ Class Action Lawsuits, FTC etc for Fraud because of "Autopilot" ads & other Marking.



Dude, you live in the United States. People in the US sue over anything. You live in a country where it's necessary to put a "Do Not Drink" warning on a bottle of bleach.


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Fools just find other ways to Kill you &/or themselves. Like weight on Steering Wheel to trick "Autopilot"/"Super Cruise" that driver is "paying attention."



You are proving my point. It's the human element that's making it unsafe. Not the self driving part. And Tesla (and other self driving cars) have long changed the way they detect if the driver is actually paying attention. Stuff like eye-tracking, proximity sensors, and all that.


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But many including MSM "keep drinking the Koolaid" like most Tesla Fanboys saying will happen in a year to two... Because Electric Jesus Musk said same crap many years ago.



Have you followed any of the progress made? Do you know how many accidents have actually been prevented and lives saved by Tesla's self driving system? It's impressive. Most (if not all) accidents that have happened with Tesla's on "autopilot" were because the humans in the car were stupid. If you switch on "lane following" and think it's okay to take a nap, maybe it's a good thing you are taken out of the gene pool.

There are many YouTube channels out there that regularly post drives of Tesla's FSD system (One of my favorite channels is AI Driver). It's very, very impressive. And the new version 12, although in its infancy, is 100% AI driven and feels like a human driver - but safer. The older systems still relied on software, telling the car what lines on the road mean, or traffic signs, stuff like that. The new system has none of that. They just showed it tons and tons of videos of cars driving and it learned that stuff all by itself. Again, very impressive stuff.

I don't understand where your aversion for modern technology comes from, but you need to get out of your cave more often. 😉
maryjane FEB 02, 12:47 PM
'Modern' technology definition changes from generation to generation but we are now at a point in which even developers of technology are very cautious and critical of where it's headed...and how quickly it is going there. It won't happen in my lifetime but I suspect in at least some parts of the world, not long after I shuffle off this mortal coil, it will become illegal for humans to drive automobiles. We've already seen, as attested by a member Hudini here at PFF where some airline pilots really don't know how to actually (manually) land a passenger jet because so much of it has been turned over to automation and that's what they have become accustomed to. (I haven't seen Hudini post in nearly a year now, I understand he made it out of China and is comfortably retired back in the USA now)

Approach to ISS and departure, as well as return to Earth is already fully automated with SpaceX crew dragon and I suppose other orbital craft. So is satellite placement and ground launch.

Safety is an important aspect of course, but planned and designed-in loss of ability to manually do something (anything) is always something to be concerned about. Saving lives, versus absence of 'living'.

I'm glad I'm old and won't see how all this pans out.

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