Hudini...from your unique perspective, thoughts on the new Chinese corona virus (Page 60/146)
rinselberg MAR 09, 08:57 PM
Thinking about what's just been said by Rsvl-Rider,

In relation to ourselves here, in the United States:
  1. Isn't it being said that Covid-19 has more reach, via community spread, than the kinds of influenza that we've become accustomed to in the U.S.?
  2. Partly because people that are infected with Covid-19 can pass it to others even before they themselves become symptomatic. Some people may never become symptomatic, but they become carriers of Covid-19, like "Typhoid Mary."
  3. Unlike these seasonal and recurring influenza(s) that we're accustomed to, there are no vaccines available to blunt the impact of Covid-19.

I am not informed about China, as to how successfully (or not) they are usually able to vaccinate against the more common influenza strains.

If that's not THE difference maker, in terms of how the Chinese government has been reacting to Covid-19 (vs common influenza) then (I think) ONE of the difference makers.

Even the top of the "food chain" in China, like Xi Jinping and the other high ranking muckety-mucks, cannot be vaccinated against Covid-19.

So that could explain why the Chinese government has been setting up these Covid-19 quarantines within China in such an unprecedented and "bigly" kind of way--because the higher-ups in China are concerned not so much about the general population, but about succumbing to Covid-19 themselves.

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randye MAR 09, 10:18 PM

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Originally posted by Hudini:


Well I learned something. I thought this was a new flu strain. COVID-19 is related to SARS and MERS (which I too thought was a flu strain).






I gave up trying to advise folks of the distinction that this is isn't THE corona virus, it's A corona virus. (one of seven that humans can be infected by)

Human coronaviruses were first identified in the mid-1960s. The seven coronaviruses that can infect people are:

Common human coronaviruses

1.229E (alpha coronavirus)
2.NL63 (alpha coronavirus)
3.OC43 (beta coronavirus)
4.HKU1 (beta coronavirus)

Other human coronaviruses

5.MERS-CoV (the beta coronavirus that causes Middle East Respiratory Syndrome, or MERS)
6.SARS-CoV (the beta coronavirus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS)
7.SARS-CoV-2 (the novel coronavirus that causes coronavirus disease 2019, or COVID-19)

People around the world commonly get infected with human coronaviruses 229E, NL63, OC43, and HKU1.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/types.html
maryjane MAR 10, 12:25 AM

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Originally posted by ttt123:


From what I'm reading its super contagious but the kill rate is on par with the flu.. correct?

Not minimizing it, just want to be practical and not fall into the heard panic if its not warranted.



I don't think anyone has a really good handle on what the mortality rate is because no one knows for sure how many (morbidity rate) have been infected. Many people believe a lot of people get a mild form of Covid-19 and probably don't even go to the Dr..BUT, they have to be included in the morbidty rate (total # infected vs total # exposed) if there is to be an accurate MORTALITY rate..

IF, there are many many more that actually have it or have had it and got over it on their own, and the researchers are informed of this, then the morbidity rate will increase accordingly, but the mortality rate will decrease...be less than the 3.2% that has been reported recently. Perhaps significantly less.
MidEngineManiac MAR 10, 12:51 AM
Reading Rsvl-Rider post, yup none of it makes any sense.

From the magnitude of the quarantines, to plywooding people in buildings, to the reports of Mobile incinerators being brought in to handle the volume to rest of it.

My best 2 guesses are they are lying through their teeth which we will know for ourselves in a month, or given the proximity to the lab they thought it was something else and had an "oh, **** " reaction.
rinselberg MAR 10, 07:55 AM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:

Never let a crisis go to waste.

Crash the supply chain, wreck the economy, get Trump defeated, get rid of tarriffs.......

Make it all back in six months....


The stock markets are "spooked" by uncertainty.

New vaccines to protect against Covid-19? Not anytime soon. Tamaflu (Tamiflu) and a few other drugs have some anti-viral effectiveness against the common influenza strains, but not Covid-19. When will there be any such drug(s)? Currently, unknown. President Trump has speculated that Covid-19 could be seasonal, like the common influenza strains, coming on strong as autumn turns to winter and then largely disappearing as spring gives way to summer, but that's just speculation.

More uncertainty: Russia and Saudi Arabia are now at odds about oil and natural gas production, and U.S. oil and gas producers look like they are going to be damaged if the Saudis carry through with a stated intention of flooding world export markets and driving down the price of oil.

The Trump administration has either purposely or inadvertently contributed to the uncertainty that is roiling the stock markets by stumbling and slow-walking the rollout of Covid-19 testing across the United States.

The stock markets can recover, but the Stable Genius of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue (NW), Washington D.C. needs to start showing a steadier "hand."

Showing up at a Center for Disease Control press event and sporting a conspicuously incongruent campaign prop--that "Keep America Great" or KAG cap--and then spewing nonsense in front of microphones ... that's not a Presidential communications strategy for improving investor confidence.

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MadMark MAR 10, 09:12 AM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

The stock markets are "spooked" by uncertainty.

New vaccines to protect against Covid-19? Not anytime soon. Tamaflu (Tamiflu) and a few other drugs have some anti-viral effectiveness against the common influenza strains, but not Covid-19. When will there be any such drug(s)? Currently, unknown. President Trump has speculated that Covid-19 could be seasonal, like the common influenza strains, coming on strong as autumn turns to winter and then largely disappearing as spring gives way to summer, but that's just speculation.

More uncertainty: Russia and Saudi Arabia are now at odds about oil and natural gas production, and U.S. oil and gas producers look like they are going to be damaged if the Saudis carry through with a stated intention of flooding world export markets and driving down the price of oil.

The Trump administration has either purposely or inadvertently contributed to the uncertainty that is roiling the stock markets by stumbling and slow-walking the rollout of Covid-19 testing across the United States.

The stock markets can recover, but the Stable Genius of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue (NW), Washington D.C. needs to start showing a steadier "hand."

Showing up at a Center for Disease Control press event and sporting a conspicuously incongruent campaign prop--that "Keep America Great" or KAG cap--and then spewing nonsense in front of microphones ... that's not a Presidential communications strategy for improving investor confidence.




Yep, Rinse. Once again a bunch of hoooie. The stock market opened up today, up about 800 points on the Dow. Even with all the hate and scare mongering of the left and the media we are in a much better place than we would have ever been with Hillary in office. Or in a few short months when Trump is reelected we will be doing great.

The only ones contributing to the uncertainty is the Left and the Media. Its as if you guys don't care about the little people you are hurting with your destructive agenda.
ttt123 MAR 10, 09:39 AM

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Originally posted by MadMark:


Yep, Rinse. Once again a bunch of hoooie. The stock market opened up today, up about 800 points on the Dow. Even with all the hate and scare mongering of the left and the media we are in a much better place than we would have ever been with Hillary in office. Or in a few short months when Trump is reelected we will be doing great.

The only ones contributing to the uncertainty is the Left and the Media. Its as if you guys don't care about the little people you are hurting with your destructive agenda.



ya I have to agree with this one. There is never a crises when a democrat is in office.. only when replublicans. The left is sooooo hateful now and the tolerance they used to scream for is 100% gone for anyone that does not agree with them. when I see all these protests from the left and the vile things they are saying.. holy smokes, how can anyone agree with them. they want everyone who doesn't think like them DEAD they are the party of hate now.

This from someone who used to be a lefty in my younger years.

Just saying it like I see it. they left is off there rocker now.

olejoedad MAR 10, 10:09 AM
Some of Trump's harshest critics have praised his actions and quick response to the virus issue.

The oil thing isn't our crisis, it affects the rest of the world more than it does us, and was not caused by us.

Who in their right minds wants Trump to act like Obama, Bush or some other president?

Actions speak louder than words, and Trump's actions and accomplishments literally scream at past administrations' ineffective leadership and lack of solutions.

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2.5 MAR 10, 10:15 AM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:

Never let a crisis go to waste.

Crash the supply chain, wreck the economy, get Trump defeated, get rid of tarriffs.......

Make it all back in six months....




How about the fact that older folks are the ones most at risk of death?
On average how would one venture to say most older folks vote?

Plus, if you aren't supposed to gather, will this push some sort of online voting mess?

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maryjane MAR 10, 10:22 AM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

The stock markets are "spooked" by uncertainty.

New vaccines to protect against Covid-19? Not anytime soon. Tamaflu (Tamiflu) and a few other drugs have some anti-viral effectiveness against the common influenza strains, but not Covid-19. When will there be any such drug(s)? Currently, unknown. President Trump has speculated that Covid-19 could be seasonal, like the common influenza strains, coming on strong as autumn turns to winter and then largely disappearing as spring gives way to summer, but that's just speculation.



You neglected to mention,that WHO itself, early on,strongly suggested that Covid-19 (before it even had a name) would be seasonal and was likely to abate when the weather turned normal. So did the medical people in China and in our own country. I'm pretty sure it was discussed in the early pages of this thread as well.