Russian Collusion! (Page 5/11)
williegoat FEB 21, 12:49 AM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

I do not believe that the Steele dossier caused the initiation of the FBI investigation, based on the reporting that I find most credible.



In that regard, you are absolutely right. They did not wait for evidence of a crime, to begin an investigation. They imagined a crime, initiated an investigation then began to manufacture the evidence.
rinselberg FEB 21, 01:50 AM
Trump has always talked up the idea of creating more jobs in the manufacturing sector.
randye FEB 21, 02:27 AM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

Trump has always talked up the idea of creating more jobs in the manufacturing sector.



That didn't mean that you needed to start your bullsh*t factory on this forum.
rinselberg FEB 21, 04:42 AM

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Originally posted by randye:
Let's start with fact #1

The DNC and the Clinton campaign CONSPIRED with Fusion GPS and hired a FOREIGN AGENT, (Christopher Steele), while trying to hide it by funneling the money through their law firm, Perkins Coie to avoid that use of political donations being known to the Federal Election Commission.

The main elements of conspiracy are a specific intent, an agreement with another person to engage a crime to be performed, and the commission of an overt act by one of the conspirators in furtherance of the conspiracy.

That covers CONSPIRACY to employ an unregistered FOREIGN AGENT in a domestic political campaign. A violation of 22 U.S. Code § 611

Violation of U.S. Election Law 42 U.S.C. § 1973i(c). the intentional misuse of political campaign contributions is also obvious.

Certain FBI official's violations of the Hatch Act, as defined in 5 U.S.C. § 7323 and § 7324 via their participation in the aforementioned CONSPIRACY

PERJURY and FRAUD on a Federal, (FISA), Court by certain officials of the FBI via their use and conduct with materials and facts arising from the aforementioned CONSPIRACY.



Well Randall, or Randolph, or Random, or Rand Corporation, or whatever is behind the screen name of "randye", how about this?

I respect this statement that you made, just the other day. It seems like real thought and knowledge on your part. It's from one of the other discussion threads on this forum, about this same general topic of the Mueller investigation. From here:
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...ML/122130-2.html#p46

Now here's how I replied in that other thread, somewhat tongue in cheek, but I actually did not "diss" what you said there--your "workup", as I called it.

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Originally posted by rinselberg:
This [from randye] is an excellent workup. I suggest forwarding this to Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein. Rod may tell us that Bob Mueller is already "muelling" this over--that it's already in the pipeline, so to speak. That it's already "baked" into Special Counsel Mueller's BIG investigation.

I'd do it myself, but I don't have Rod's internal email address at DOJ.

I don't think this should go to any of DOJ's public-facing email accounts. It's way too sensitive.


Putting my jokes aside, is there any more that you would like to say here, about this legal argument that you presented, of a criminal conspiracy involving the DNC, the Hillary Clinton campaign, Perkins Coie LLP, Fusion GPS (and its founder, Glenn Simpson) and the British national Christopher Steele?

Do you know of anyone inside (or outside) of the Beltway that has taken this "ball" and tried to move it forward? Such as Congressman Devin Nunes? Anyone over at DOJ, such as Robert Mueller, Rod Rosenstein or Jeff Sessions? What about FBI Director Christopher Wray?

Does this outline of a criminal conspiracy that you have presented here also fit in with what was done towards the end of last year (I think), when Senators Chuck Grassley and Lindsay Graham signed off on something that was described as a Criminal Referral, naming the British national and creator of the "Trump dossier", Christopher Steele, as having violated U.S. law? That was something that Senators Grassley and Graham sent to the DOJ. Sent to Rod Rosenstein, if I'm not mistaken. Here's a recent media report on it:
https://www.politico.com/ma...he-nunes-memo-216956

Have you seen where anyone with any expertise in these same elections-related laws (the laws or acts that you cited in your argument) has presented a counterargument against your argument of a criminal conspiracy involving these persons and entities?

Do you see the possibility of a chapter in this story where the Mueller investigation or some other DOJ-based investigation could be going after any of the persons and entities that you named here, in your argument of a criminal conspiracy? Is there a need to appoint another DOJ Special Counsel? In the person of someone other than Robert Swan Mueller III..?

Are you aware that it has been reported that there is an Inspector General's report that is expected in the not too distant future, which I understand to be a retrospective or review of how the Obama-era DOJ handled the Hillary Clinton EMAILS investigation? Are you looking forward to that with any positive or hopeful anticipation?

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Rickady88GT FEB 21, 12:26 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

See where the text that I quoted from blackrams gets big, like this..?

That is where I think that blackrams is mistaken. That the Steele dossier caused the initiation of the FBI investigation. I do not believe that the Steele dossier caused the initiation of the FBI investigation, based on the reporting that I find most credible.

I know for a fact that blackrams meant to type "initiation", rather than "iniation."




It is just as credible to say that the clinton and obama machine planted AND created the seeds of Russian collusion to attempt to influence an American Presidential election.
rinselberg FEB 22, 09:41 AM
This forum has really slowed down. It's a super-sized slowdown. As if we have drifted so close to the event horizon of a black hole that time has almost ceased to exist.

I'm just going to "bump" this discussion, to see if anyone reacts.

Considering the message from Rickady88GT that comes right before this one:



That message is like a first draft. An artist using pencil to create a rough sketch on a blank canvas of a nascent masterpiece. A sketch of a criminal conspiracy. The outlines of things that need to be filled in with more details.

Where's the paint?

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jmbishop FEB 22, 11:59 AM
Or maybe nobody cares about what the toothless guy on the street is yelling.
rinselberg FEB 22, 12:12 PM
I am more partial to Al Gore than Hillary Clinton. I wouldn't be inclined to call either a "disgraced left wing mascot" myself, but I would be more energized to rally to the defense of Al Gore--between the two of them.

I still don't understand why someone called me a "liar" in that thread, towards the end of last year, that started with my reportage on the project that some scientists were pursuing, to quantify the effects of emissions from fried food cooking, as the lipid or "fat" molecules from these kitchens escaped into the atmosphere.

And lest anyone say that "rinselberg" is making this a thread about another thread... look at the message that is now immediately in line, right before this one.

Let the kettle that makes threads about other threads not call out the pot that makes threads about other threads as "black".

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williegoat FEB 22, 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

This forum has really slowed down. It's a super-sized slowdown. As if we have drifted so close to the event horizon of a black hole that time has almost ceased to exist.



I'll wager it was the Ruskies what did it!

We don't have the variety of topics that we once did. Some took this place a little too seriously and as a result we have lost some of our more “colorful” characters.

For a while, it was looking less like the corner tavern and more like the fight club. There was one who made it his mission to drive this place into the ground. That may be the only success in his otherwise miserable existence.


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I'm just going to "bump" this discussion, to see if anyone reacts.

Considering the message from Rickady88GT that comes right before this one:



That message is like a first draft. An artist using pencil to create a rough sketch on a blank canvas of a nascent masterpiece. A sketch of a criminal conspiracy. The outlines of things that need to be filled in with more details.

Where's the paint?



There was a theory in early 2016 that Bill Clinton was behind the Trump candidacy. I had considered the possibility at the time and even started a thread about it.

edit: I almost forgot the illustration!

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jmbishop FEB 22, 01:18 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:


I still don't understand why someone called me a "liar" in that thread, towards the end of last year, that started with my reportage on the project that some scientists were pursuing, to quantify the effects of emissions from fried food cooking, as the lipid or "fat" molecules from these kitchens escaped into the atmosphere.



How cute, he misses me.