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Patrick
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AUG 13, 03:29 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
I always get really frustrated when I see beautiful huge animals being killed for sport.
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It pisses me off when I see a living creature of any size being killed as some perverse form of "enjoyment". Some people are just wired wrong.
| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
I realize of course, that mountain lion would kill me if given half a chance...
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You might be surprised.
We call them cougars here in BC. For 20 years, I used to go up the coast every summer to a very remote location. Spent lots of time hiking in the backwoods. Saw bears on several occasions. Never ever saw a cougar. They normally try to avoid human interaction.
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Why You Shouldn’t Be Afraid of Mountain Lions
Mountain lions. Cougars. Panthers. Pumas. No matter what you call them, they’re one animal no hiker wants to find themselves face to face with on the trail. There’s something about those big cat eyes, heavy paws, and silent stalk that strikes fear into the hearts of the bravest hikers.
But the truth is that mountain lion attacks, and even mere sightings, are extremely uncommon. Even in California where the large carnivores roam the hills (and occasionally neighborhoods) around major metropolitan areas, attacks are vanishingly rare. In fact, according to studies, you’re more likely to be bitten by a New Yorker than a mountain lion.
More at the above link.
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[This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 08-13-2025).]
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blackrams
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AUG 14, 10:59 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
It pisses me off when I see a living creature of any size being killed as some perverse form of "enjoyment". Some people are just wired wrong.
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Unless you lead a Vegan life style and diet, something breathing died so you could eat. I also view trophy hunting for the sake of a trophy is sad but, if the meat for that kill goes to feed hungry people then I don't have a problem as long as it's not an endangered species. That's life on earth. Does it really matter if the hunter enjoys the hunt or the kill? If it feeds hungry people and it's not an endangered species, would you deny that hunter the thrill of the hunt?
I've killed and butchered many different animals, most cattle, pigs and goats/sheep. Heck, I've even eaten dog in S Korea, monkey in Central America, rattle snake in Oklahoma and gator in FL to include several other interesting meals. Every bit/morsel of that meat went to feed people. If, you disapprove, so be it. This is a world of eat or be eaten, get used to it.
Rams[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 08-14-2025).]
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cvxjet
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AUG 15, 12:22 AM
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Killing is something that exists in the real world- that being said, Trophy hunting is, to me, like the guy who revs the crap out of his HD muttercycle, while looking around, THINKING that everyone is impressed- when in reality, everyone with a brain knows the guy has...a >>tiny<< "toy"
We have an overabundance of deer in the western US- there are not enough predators to cut down the population naturally, so they should open the hunting season.....But definitely, the carcass should go to feed someone or something....
I believe a >>Real man<< is a man who treats people well, is considerate and will help others...But my beliefs are warped by my extremely odd HS years- The coolest kid in my class was a BLACK kid- but he was known to be cool by everyone because he would HELP people- break up fights, etc....I was in the Navy before I realized that this was not what most kids think is cool- also, I thought Racism was over until I was in the Navy- That black kid was actually dating a white girl- in 1977! And no-one ever went after him or complained....
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Patrick
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AUG 15, 12:44 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
Does it really matter if the hunter enjoys the hunt or the kill?
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Yes... IMO it does. A person's got to be some sort of sick fuk if they enjoy killing.
| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
If it feeds hungry people and it's not an endangered species, would you deny that hunter the thrill of the hunt?
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Not at all. I'll agree with Todd here... give the sick fuk a spear and set him/her off on their own.
| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Real trophy hunting should be done with a spear, and no support from anyone. You want to go kill that lion? Here's a spear... go do it.
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[This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 08-15-2025).]
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blackrams
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AUG 15, 02:16 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
Yes... IMO it does. A person's got to be some sort of sick fuk if they enjoy killing.
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OK, well it's a bit difficult to feed those hungry folks if someone doesn't kill the prey. I don't hunt because I don't enjoy it but, won't deny anyone else the right to do so. Personally, hunters can take 50% (or more) of the deer population out and it wouldn't bother me a bit. My insurance has had to pay for three different deer impacts.
Rams 
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Patrick
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AUG 15, 04:51 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
OK, well it's a bit difficult to feed those hungry folks if someone doesn't kill the prey.
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Yeah, so? Maybe you need to read this one more time.
| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
A person's got to be some sort of sick fuk if they enjoy killing.
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I came across something online that somewhat resembles my own feelings regarding the killing of an animal for food.
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Why do Native Americans thank an animal for their life before eating it?
Response by Bethann Siviter
I can’t speak for all people; our family had Algonquin roots.
Because the animal is giving you a gift, and it’s respectful and humble to show appreciation for gifts.
In the culture in which I grew up, all creatures are under the guidance of Great Spirit. Animals are gifts, but people have responsibilities too- and one of those is to always be grateful for the sacrifices made so we can live a good life. We shouldn’t misuse or abuse the gifts we are given, we don’t “own” the world around us..
This is a verse I learned as a child…
“Great Spirit, help me always remember I do not own but am owned by the Earth; Remind me to be grateful for your kindness, teach me your ways so I may walk amongst your creation with wisdom. Let me learn the lessons of my brothers and sisters in the world. Let me enjoy your abundance, and safeguard it for the future. Teach me to walk in the path set for me.”
When we took any animal (wild or farm) we let its blood go back into the earth… (so it would feed the earth) and we said
“Brother, thank you for your life, for helping me grow strong, and may you rise again from the earth. I celebrate your life.”
When we picked crops, or foraged, we said
“Great Spirit, we thank you for these gifts, for life, and for the Earth who sustains us.”
It's more than just words. We *always* shared what we caught, or picked, or found, with those less fortunate. Just as we asked animals or the earth to give things to us, we had to give things to others because it is in trusting that there will be enough that you really show faith, and it’s in sharing that you show you are really grateful. On a deer, one of the best bits are the loins, so part of the loin was always given away, one shin, and a haunch. It’s not right to give away the worst parts and keep the best- you should share the best bits. When we picked crops, we brought a portion of each crops to share. Even flowers were shared. We also had farm animals… they had good lives, and when time came, they were dealt with quickly and painlessly, and with gratitude.
People that took what we shared were expected not to feel lucky or grateful to *us* but to feel that they were fulfilling their role, as if people didn’t accept what we shared, we couldn’t share it- so we were equal partners in receiving the gift. They too would thank Great Spirit for the gifts of the Earth and give thanks for the life given for theirs.
Another part of showing gratitude is not wasting things- we used every bit of any animal we took. Nothing is thrown away, because to take an animal and then throw it away mocks its gift. Everything is used somehow. Same is true of crops- what we couldn’t eat, or animals couldn’t eat, was turned to compost. You don’t waste things, or take more than you need just because you can.
It’s not just *saying* thanks. it’s *demonstrating* gratitude through your actions.
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I doubt very much that trophy hunters demonstrate any gratitude whatsoever towards their kill by humbly and respectfully thanking the animal for its head.[This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 08-15-2025).]
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blackrams
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AUG 15, 10:40 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
I doubt very much that trophy hunters demonstrate any gratitude whatsoever towards their kill by humbly and respectfully thanking the animal for its head.
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Possibly, can't say for sure. I'm not a hunter.
But, have you thanked the guy that killed the animal you ate last or thanked the person who stripped the hide off of that animal so you could have a leather wallet, jacket, hat, shoes, ,have leather seats in your vehicle, etc.? Those folks and the person who mounts those trophies are obviously part of that killing and profiting from it. How about the Guides who help the hunters find their prey?
Doesn't matter to me, as I stated previously, I always hope the "hunters, trophy hunters" included get all the deer they can. And, I don't care if they mount their kill(s) or not.
Rams[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 08-15-2025).]
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Patrick
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AUG 15, 11:57 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
Doesn't matter to me...
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Something seems to matter to you a great deal... as you continue to bring up all sorts of things that have nothing to do with the topic of this thread... namely a trophy hunter getting his just deserts.
You're in the wrong place if you're here to convert vegans.
In case you missed it earlier...
| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
A person's got to be some sort of sick fuk if they enjoy killing.
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[This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 08-16-2025).]
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olejoedad
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AUG 16, 06:52 AM
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I've heard some people say they are against killing animals, so they buy their meat from the grocery store.
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blackrams
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AUG 16, 09:06 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
Something seems to matter to you a great deal... as you continue to bring up all sorts of things that have nothing to do with the topic of this thread... namely a trophy hunter getting his just deserts.
You're in the wrong place if you're here to convert vegans.
In case you missed it earlier...
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Oh, I'm not trying to convert anyone. Implying that lends absolutely no credibility to your posts. Didn't miss what you posted to include when you stated that arguing was half the fun of being here a while back. It's obvious that you enjoy trying to prove your self perceived superiority to those here. Just not buying it. I honestly don't care if a hunter enjoys the success of his hunt. It, that success culminates in he or she being able to put a trophy on his wall and feeds some hungry folks, no problem with that at all.
I'm curious, how do you view snake meat? I've killed several rattlesnakes in my life, have been to Oklahoma and Texas to participate in Rattle Snake Round Ups. Back then I enjoyed the hunt and the kill, gave the snake to the folks that killed them and then cooked them.
With that, feel free to move on without me. Obviously, I don't deal well with "Holier than Thou" folks and your attempts at One Upmanship. Admittedly, I have my own imperfections.
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Rams
Learning most of life's lessons the hard way. .
You are only young once but, you can be immature indefinitely.
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