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Jonesy
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DEC 13, 12:50 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
The price of these cards have been insane. The prices have shot up so astronomically, that many people were buying top-of-the-line computers from a year ago (new old stock / unopened), taking out the graphics card, and selling the graphics card separately... and then selling the computer (which itself is basically a super computer) at half price and still making a killing.
I bought a Lenovo Legion for my wife earlier this year, with some top of the line AMD processor... I dunno what it's called, but the equivalent to an Intel Core i9 w/ billion GHZs or whatever, and I paid under $300 bucks for the whole thing. It just needed a graphics card. I had an RTX 1080 video card that I'd apparently bought for my Dell 990 like 4 years ago, so I just stuck that in there and it does all the word processing, internet surfing, and emailing she needs it to.
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One of the main reasons graphics card prices are so crazy is because of the crypto bro's.. Crypto miners buy the highest end graphics cards by the pallet. Have dozens of systems loaded with as many graphics cards as they can fit in there, all for the extra processing power. So you have miners buying up all the cards, and on top of that you have the normal scalpers buying up the cards to resell them at higher prices. Which leaves not many graphics cards to go around for normal outlets and stores, so the prices on those skyrocket to crazy levels, and normal consumers are basically screwed.
Although crypto mining seems to have gone down since last gen. Which puts Nvidia is a bit of a predicament, as they don't want to lower their prices, they like having those high prices that the miners were causing, so, so far have been pricing their newest GPU's as if the mining boom as still going strong. But AMD just released their new generation of cards, and their new cards are matching performance, or just a tad below the same performance as Nvidia's new cards, and are quite a bit cheaper. If Nvidia doesn't lower their prices, there is a chance gamers are going to start switching to AMD, since the performance increase per dollar is much better with AMD's new cards than Nvidia's. So maybe AMD will finally be able to knock Nvidia down a few pegs, we'll have to see what happens.
Of course this new gen of cards just released. Have to see what Nividia comes out with for the mid to low tier versions of these cards (4060, 4070, ect.) And see what those will be priced at. Same with AMD. So it should be interesting to see what happens.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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DEC 13, 06:51 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Jonesy:
One of the main reasons graphics card prices are so crazy is because of the crypto bro's.. Crypto miners buy the highest end graphics cards by the pallet. Have dozens of systems loaded with as many graphics cards as they can fit in there, all for the extra processing power. So you have miners buying up all the cards, and on top of that you have the normal scalpers buying up the cards to resell them at higher prices. Which leaves not many graphics cards to go around for normal outlets and stores, so the prices on those skyrocket to crazy levels, and normal consumers are basically screwed.
Although crypto mining seems to have gone down since last gen. Which puts Nvidia is a bit of a predicament, as they don't want to lower their prices, they like having those high prices that the miners were causing, so, so far have been pricing their newest GPU's as if the mining boom as still going strong. But AMD just released their new generation of cards, and their new cards are matching performance, or just a tad below the same performance as Nvidia's new cards, and are quite a bit cheaper. If Nvidia doesn't lower their prices, there is a chance gamers are going to start switching to AMD, since the performance increase per dollar is much better with AMD's new cards than Nvidia's. So maybe AMD will finally be able to knock Nvidia down a few pegs, we'll have to see what happens.
Of course this new gen of cards just released. Have to see what Nividia comes out with for the mid to low tier versions of these cards (4060, 4070, ect.) And see what those will be priced at. Same with AMD. So it should be interesting to see what happens.
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Which honestly seems crazy... because they actually make GPUs that still use the AGP slots but that don't have any graphics ports, and are specifically made for numerical processing (whether it's crypto or AI). These are literally a little bit cheaper than the actual graphics card equivalent, so it doesn't make sense why people don't just buy those. They even have back-plane racks with a row of AGP slots specifically for GPU cards that are just used for numerical processing... but people keep buying the graphics card versions...
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Patrick
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DEC 13, 07:56 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
...they actually make GPUs that still use the AGP slots but that don't have any graphics ports, and are specifically made for numerical processing (whether it's crypto or AI). These are literally a little bit cheaper than the actual graphics card equivalent, so it doesn't make sense why people don't just buy those.
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How readily available are they, and are they in fact priced any cheaper than a regular GPU card? As mentioned Here, I recently bought an older GTX 1060 GPU to do rendering for an AI program. I actually have its display ports turned off, as I use a second GPU (an ancient Radeon X1300) for display purposes. (I'm not a gamer.)
If I could've got an NVIDIA portless GPU card with the same or greater horsepower than the GTX 1060 for less money, I would've happily gone that route.*
*[EDIT] I did some research, and as I suspected might be the case, these cards (the newer ones anyway) are more expensive.
| quote | From Here:
Nvidia is happy to sell crypto-unlocked versions of the same GPUs, which they've dubbed Cryptocurrency Mining Processors (CMPs), albeit at higher prices and with their video-out functionality stripped out.
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[EDIT 2] I did a bit more digging and came across the following video. It's sort of about the same topic as Todd brought up, and it's kind of interesting (for computer geeks). (And it's a coincidence that the card they're discussing is the CMP version of the GTX 1060 that I recently acquired.)
[This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 12-13-2022).]
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Jonesy
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DEC 14, 10:27 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
[EDIT 2] I did a bit more digging and came across the following video. It's sort of about the same topic as Todd brought up, and it's kind of interesting (for computer geeks). (And it's a coincidence that the card they're discussing is the CMP version of the GTX 1060 that I recently acquired.)
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I would have liked to see them tear that card down and take a look at the board. Makes me wonder if output connectors could simply be added too the board. Of course they may have manufactured boards specifically for these cards so that wouldn't be possible. But i doubt it, as it would likely be cheaper to just use the same boards as the normal cards but leave the required components off the board, and software lock it. So you could just add the needed parts, then find a way to unlock the drivers.
Of course would it even be worth the trouble.. Then your just left with a older card that probably spent a few years running non stop in some warehouse.[This message has been edited by Jonesy (edited 12-14-2022).]
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82-T/A [At Work]
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DEC 15, 12:34 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
How readily available are they, and are they in fact priced any cheaper than a regular GPU card? As mentioned Here, I recently bought an older GTX 1060 GPU to do rendering for an AI program. I actually have its display ports turned off, as I use a second GPU (an ancient Radeon X1300) for display purposes. (I'm not a gamer.)
If I could've got an NVIDIA portless GPU card with the same or greater horsepower than the GTX 1060 for less money, I would've happily gone that route.*
*[EDIT] I did some research, and as I suspected might be the case, these cards (the newer ones anyway) are more expensive.
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I use AWS for all of this stuff now (AWS GPU instances), but when I was originally looking at it, you can get the boards on places like AliExpress for real cheap.
Here's one specifically for crypto mining (which you can also use for AI processing): https://www.aliexpress.us/i...256803329562997.html
It's $139 and has 8 AGP slots for GPU boards, and the motherboard itself has a built in processor, I/O, and HDMI for the OS and video. There are some $80 and less, same thing.
For the cards, you can put anything in there of course, but there are several GPU cards (no ports) that you can buy (Tesla, generic, etc.) that are also cheap. Here's one for $200. https://www.aliexpress.us/i...256804626988648.html[This message has been edited by 82-T/A [At Work] (edited 12-15-2022).]
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Patrick
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DEC 15, 03:49 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
For the cards, you can put anything in there of course, but there are several GPU cards (no ports) that you can buy (Tesla, generic, etc.) that are also cheap. Here's one for $200. https://www....6988648.html
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Interesting. It's actually $220... but what's the difference between buying the card there for $220... or Here on eBay for $115?[This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 12-15-2022).]
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82-T/A [At Work]
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DEC 16, 02:45 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
Interesting. It's actually $220... but what's the difference between buying the card there for $220... or Here on eBay for $115?
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There you go man! Saved yourself $85 bucks!!!
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Patrick
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DEC 16, 07:42 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
There you go man! Saved yourself $85 bucks!!!
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Heh heh... well, I actually saved myself more than that, as I'm quite happy with the GTX 1060 6GB card I got for $73 total.  However, it's good to know there's another option out there if I decide I need a card with more than 6 GB of VRAM for AI rendering purposes.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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DEC 18, 12:31 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
Heh heh... well, I actually saved myself more than that, as I'm quite happy with the GTX 1060 6GB card I got for $73 total. However, it's good to know there's another option out there if I decide I need a card with more than 6 GB of VRAM for AI rendering purposes. |
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That's pretty good!
I bought the 4GB version of that (RTX 1040 I guess?) like, maybe 3 years ago? I spent ~$300 bucks for it. My current computer has a GeForce RTX 2070, but it came with my Lenovo... which I hemmed and hawed about until it hit just the right price (like, just before COVID breakout)... so I got it for a good price.
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ls3mach
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DEC 18, 06:53 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by IMSA GT:
They aren't worth that price. I think they sell on Ebay for $2500
You can mod a game and take it from this:
To this and have the horsepower to drive all these mods. Now even the guy who created the mods below has burned up his graphics cards overdriving the realism of the graphics.
The perfect example of a good graphics card is on this forum at Christmas. Many people complain about the snowflakes bogging their computer and making it choppy. If you have no graphics card or and older computer, you may have issues with the snow.
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I've been a gamer in the past. Neither of these images look $2500 good to me. I have spent more on whole rigs and gaming laptops, but $2500 for just a GPU is a hard pill for me to swallow. I am out on high end phones these days too. I will probably keep owning the latest and greatest every 2-3 years unless I start selling them again. Bang for buck left me after S8+/Note 8 line.
I considered a very resaonable setup a few days ago:
That's a decent price?
HP Gaming Desktop Ryzen 5 3500 3.59GHz NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 SUPER Take it home for 70 - $329.00
HP TG01-0023w Pavilion Gaming
Ryzen 5 3500 3.59GHz
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 SUPER 4GB 8GB RAM
256GB SSD + 1TB HDD
WiFi + BT
Win 11
I am trying to go another way with my life though. Been spending a lot of time outdoors. I don't need any more reasons to justify my sloth.
If that is a good deal on the PC I can get at least a few and will ship or put you in touch with the seller. I am not looking to make anything.
Patrick that seems like a good price and about all I can could stomach myself. I have been using business grade laptops since my last ROG needed more in upgrades than I could justify. Same thing here though. I spent money on my cheap T470 and should have bought a newer off lease laptop. Instead I bought a new battery and added RAM. Really wanted to add a backlit keyboard, but there is just no ROI when I can buy a nicer off lease for $300.
The market must be about to take a turn. I have seen a lot of really good deals for GPUs lately. Not just Christmas specials either. I think and hope the prices start to tank. They are all WAY over valued. $2000 cell phones and GPUs is effing silly.
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