Other than it being for charity, can someone please explain why?
Auctioning stuff off for charity at exorbitant prices is nothing unusual. The charity gets a handsome reward, and the purchaser gets a healthy tax write off. Everyone wins!
I needed an NVIDIA card to be able to run an Artificial Intelligence graphics program on my PC. Went all out and bought an older EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 SC 6GB for a hundred bucks ($73 US). No tax write off... but if nothing else, I'm thrifty.
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Other than it being for charity, can someone please explain why?
They aren't worth that price. I think they sell on Ebay for $2500
You can mod a game and take it from this:
To this and have the horsepower to drive all these mods. Now even the guy who created the mods below has burned up his graphics cards overdriving the realism of the graphics.
The perfect example of a good graphics card is on this forum at Christmas. Many people complain about the snowflakes bogging their computer and making it choppy. If you have no graphics card or and older computer, you may have issues with the snow.
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Auctioning stuff off for charity at exorbitant prices is nothing unusual. The charity gets a handsome reward, and the purchaser gets a healthy tax write off. Everyone wins! ...
Yeah, okay. That makes sense. I get it. I've seen other sales like this. Just never a video card.
IMSA GT's post showed a dramatic difference. Fortunately, I will never require that kind of graphics power, since I'm not a gamer. (More power to those who are, just not my thing.) I'm not even going to tell you all what I use for a "daily driver" computer. But it pretty much does everything I need it to. Now, in a few weeks, when they finally complete our fiber internet connection, it will probably be a different story.
The other thing a high end GPU is used for is cracking password protected files. In combination with your normal processor, it can "hack" passwords VERY fast.
The price of these cards have been insane. The prices have shot up so astronomically, that many people were buying top-of-the-line computers from a year ago (new old stock / unopened), taking out the graphics card, and selling the graphics card separately... and then selling the computer (which itself is basically a super computer) at half price and still making a killing.
I bought a Lenovo Legion for my wife earlier this year, with some top of the line AMD processor... I dunno what it's called, but the equivalent to an Intel Core i9 w/ billion GHZs or whatever, and I paid under $300 bucks for the whole thing. It just needed a graphics card. I had an RTX 1080 video card that I'd apparently bought for my Dell 990 like 4 years ago, so I just stuck that in there and it does all the word processing, internet surfing, and emailing she needs it to.
The perfect example of a good graphics card is on this forum at Christmas. Many people complain about the snowflakes bogging their computer and making it choppy. If you have no graphics card or and older computer, you may have issues with the snow.
Hmm, didn't know that. I don't have a problem with the snowflakes bogging down my computer, I just don't like snow. I won't mind when it disappears.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: The price of these cards have been insane. The prices have shot up so astronomically, that many people were buying top-of-the-line computers from a year ago (new old stock / unopened), taking out the graphics card, and selling the graphics card separately... and then selling the computer (which itself is basically a super computer) at half price and still making a killing.
I bought a Lenovo Legion for my wife earlier this year, with some top of the line AMD processor... I dunno what it's called, but the equivalent to an Intel Core i9 w/ billion GHZs or whatever, and I paid under $300 bucks for the whole thing. It just needed a graphics card. I had an RTX 1080 video card that I'd apparently bought for my Dell 990 like 4 years ago, so I just stuck that in there and it does all the word processing, internet surfing, and emailing she needs it to.
One of the main reasons graphics card prices are so crazy is because of the crypto bro's.. Crypto miners buy the highest end graphics cards by the pallet. Have dozens of systems loaded with as many graphics cards as they can fit in there, all for the extra processing power. So you have miners buying up all the cards, and on top of that you have the normal scalpers buying up the cards to resell them at higher prices. Which leaves not many graphics cards to go around for normal outlets and stores, so the prices on those skyrocket to crazy levels, and normal consumers are basically screwed.
Although crypto mining seems to have gone down since last gen. Which puts Nvidia is a bit of a predicament, as they don't want to lower their prices, they like having those high prices that the miners were causing, so, so far have been pricing their newest GPU's as if the mining boom as still going strong. But AMD just released their new generation of cards, and their new cards are matching performance, or just a tad below the same performance as Nvidia's new cards, and are quite a bit cheaper. If Nvidia doesn't lower their prices, there is a chance gamers are going to start switching to AMD, since the performance increase per dollar is much better with AMD's new cards than Nvidia's. So maybe AMD will finally be able to knock Nvidia down a few pegs, we'll have to see what happens.
Of course this new gen of cards just released. Have to see what Nividia comes out with for the mid to low tier versions of these cards (4060, 4070, ect.) And see what those will be priced at. Same with AMD. So it should be interesting to see what happens.
One of the main reasons graphics card prices are so crazy is because of the crypto bro's.. Crypto miners buy the highest end graphics cards by the pallet. Have dozens of systems loaded with as many graphics cards as they can fit in there, all for the extra processing power. So you have miners buying up all the cards, and on top of that you have the normal scalpers buying up the cards to resell them at higher prices. Which leaves not many graphics cards to go around for normal outlets and stores, so the prices on those skyrocket to crazy levels, and normal consumers are basically screwed.
Although crypto mining seems to have gone down since last gen. Which puts Nvidia is a bit of a predicament, as they don't want to lower their prices, they like having those high prices that the miners were causing, so, so far have been pricing their newest GPU's as if the mining boom as still going strong. But AMD just released their new generation of cards, and their new cards are matching performance, or just a tad below the same performance as Nvidia's new cards, and are quite a bit cheaper. If Nvidia doesn't lower their prices, there is a chance gamers are going to start switching to AMD, since the performance increase per dollar is much better with AMD's new cards than Nvidia's. So maybe AMD will finally be able to knock Nvidia down a few pegs, we'll have to see what happens.
Of course this new gen of cards just released. Have to see what Nividia comes out with for the mid to low tier versions of these cards (4060, 4070, ect.) And see what those will be priced at. Same with AMD. So it should be interesting to see what happens.
Which honestly seems crazy... because they actually make GPUs that still use the AGP slots but that don't have any graphics ports, and are specifically made for numerical processing (whether it's crypto or AI). These are literally a little bit cheaper than the actual graphics card equivalent, so it doesn't make sense why people don't just buy those. They even have back-plane racks with a row of AGP slots specifically for GPU cards that are just used for numerical processing... but people keep buying the graphics card versions...
...they actually make GPUs that still use the AGP slots but that don't have any graphics ports, and are specifically made for numerical processing (whether it's crypto or AI). These are literally a little bit cheaper than the actual graphics card equivalent, so it doesn't make sense why people don't just buy those.
How readily available are they, and are they in fact priced any cheaper than a regular GPU card? As mentioned Here, I recently bought an older GTX 1060 GPU to do rendering for an AI program. I actually have its display ports turned off, as I use a second GPU (an ancient Radeon X1300) for display purposes. (I'm not a gamer.)
If I could've got an NVIDIA portless GPU card with the same or greater horsepower than the GTX 1060 for less money, I would've happily gone that route.*
*[EDIT] I did some research, and as I suspected might be the case, these cards (the newer ones anyway) are more expensive.
Nvidia is happy to sell crypto-unlocked versions of the same GPUs, which they've dubbed Cryptocurrency Mining Processors (CMPs), albeit at higher prices and with their video-out functionality stripped out.
[EDIT 2] I did a bit more digging and came across the following video. It's sort of about the same topic as Todd brought up, and it's kind of interesting (for computer geeks). (And it's a coincidence that the card they're discussing is the CMP version of the GTX 1060 that I recently acquired.)
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[EDIT 2] I did a bit more digging and came across the following video. It's sort of about the same topic as Todd brought up, and it's kind of interesting (for computer geeks). (And it's a coincidence that the card they're discussing is the CMP version of the GTX 1060 that I recently acquired.)
I would have liked to see them tear that card down and take a look at the board. Makes me wonder if output connectors could simply be added too the board. Of course they may have manufactured boards specifically for these cards so that wouldn't be possible. But i doubt it, as it would likely be cheaper to just use the same boards as the normal cards but leave the required components off the board, and software lock it. So you could just add the needed parts, then find a way to unlock the drivers.
Of course would it even be worth the trouble.. Then your just left with a older card that probably spent a few years running non stop in some warehouse.
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How readily available are they, and are they in fact priced any cheaper than a regular GPU card? As mentioned Here, I recently bought an older GTX 1060 GPU to do rendering for an AI program. I actually have its display ports turned off, as I use a second GPU (an ancient Radeon X1300) for display purposes. (I'm not a gamer.)
If I could've got an NVIDIA portless GPU card with the same or greater horsepower than the GTX 1060 for less money, I would've happily gone that route.*
*[EDIT] I did some research, and as I suspected might be the case, these cards (the newer ones anyway) are more expensive.
I use AWS for all of this stuff now (AWS GPU instances), but when I was originally looking at it, you can get the boards on places like AliExpress for real cheap.
It's $139 and has 8 AGP slots for GPU boards, and the motherboard itself has a built in processor, I/O, and HDMI for the OS and video. There are some $80 and less, same thing.
For the cards, you can put anything in there of course, but there are several GPU cards (no ports) that you can buy (Tesla, generic, etc.) that are also cheap. Here's one for $200. https://www.aliexpress.us/i...256804626988648.html
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For the cards, you can put anything in there of course, but there are several GPU cards (no ports) that you can buy (Tesla, generic, etc.) that are also cheap. Here's one for $200. https://www....6988648.html
Interesting. It's actually $220... but what's the difference between buying the card there for $220... or Here on eBay for $115?
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Heh heh... well, I actually saved myself more than that, as I'm quite happy with the GTX 1060 6GB card I got for $73 total. However, it's good to know there's another option out there if I decide I need a card with more than 6 GB of VRAM for AI rendering purposes.
Heh heh... well, I actually saved myself more than that, as I'm quite happy with the GTX 1060 6GB card I got for $73 total. However, it's good to know there's another option out there if I decide I need a card with more than 6 GB of VRAM for AI rendering purposes.
That's pretty good!
I bought the 4GB version of that (RTX 1040 I guess?) like, maybe 3 years ago? I spent ~$300 bucks for it. My current computer has a GeForce RTX 2070, but it came with my Lenovo... which I hemmed and hawed about until it hit just the right price (like, just before COVID breakout)... so I got it for a good price.
They aren't worth that price. I think they sell on Ebay for $2500
You can mod a game and take it from this:
To this and have the horsepower to drive all these mods. Now even the guy who created the mods below has burned up his graphics cards overdriving the realism of the graphics.
The perfect example of a good graphics card is on this forum at Christmas. Many people complain about the snowflakes bogging their computer and making it choppy. If you have no graphics card or and older computer, you may have issues with the snow.
I've been a gamer in the past. Neither of these images look $2500 good to me. I have spent more on whole rigs and gaming laptops, but $2500 for just a GPU is a hard pill for me to swallow. I am out on high end phones these days too. I will probably keep owning the latest and greatest every 2-3 years unless I start selling them again. Bang for buck left me after S8+/Note 8 line. I considered a very resaonable setup a few days ago: That's a decent price?
HP Gaming Desktop Ryzen 5 3500 3.59GHz NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 SUPER Take it home for 70 - $329.00
I am trying to go another way with my life though. Been spending a lot of time outdoors. I don't need any more reasons to justify my sloth.
If that is a good deal on the PC I can get at least a few and will ship or put you in touch with the seller. I am not looking to make anything.
Patrick that seems like a good price and about all I can could stomach myself. I have been using business grade laptops since my last ROG needed more in upgrades than I could justify. Same thing here though. I spent money on my cheap T470 and should have bought a newer off lease laptop. Instead I bought a new battery and added RAM. Really wanted to add a backlit keyboard, but there is just no ROI when I can buy a nicer off lease for $300.
The market must be about to take a turn. I have seen a lot of really good deals for GPUs lately. Not just Christmas specials either. I think and hope the prices start to tank. They are all WAY over valued. $2000 cell phones and GPUs is effing silly.
Other than it being for charity, can someone please explain why?
EVGA just recently gave Nvidia the middle finger and is not going to be producing any 4000 series video cards. The unit being auctioned is an engineering sample and one of a couple that are in the hands of the public.
Originally posted by ls3mach: The market must be about to take a turn. I have seen a lot of really good deals for GPUs lately. Not just Christmas specials either. I think and hope the prices start to tank. They are all WAY over valued. $2000 cell phones and GPUs is effing silly.
The funny part is that I bought my son a RTX 3060 for around $500. It's a 12gb card but even his most taxing games set at "ultra" use only about 4gb of that memory. GPU prices are coming back down to reality, finally. Now that Intel has released their line of graphics cards, we'll see what happens to the market.
I thought so too... especially here in Canada where it seems everything is higher priced than in the States. It was a local purchase done through Craigslist, so no shipping fees were required either. I admit I'm not a big fan of meeting some stranger on a street corner to make a purchase though. I certainly wouldn't go that route for anything really pricey.
The funny part is that I bought my son a RTX 3060 for around $500. It's a 12gb card but even his most taxing games set at "ultra" use only about 4gb of that memory. GPU prices are coming back down to reality, finally. Now that Intel has released their line of graphics cards, we'll see what happens to the market.
Depends on what your gaming at. If your gaming at 1080p then a 3060 will play any game on ultra with no issues. Hell a 2060 will do that easily.. It's when you start getting into 2k and 4k gaming is when that extra horse power comes into play. Especially with VR setups. Me personally i only have a 1080p monitor, so that's what i game at, and my 2080 is often overkill for what i need.
As for Intel's new GPU line, i wouldn't consider them a competitor in the market for quite a while (if ever!) They are having a lot of issues with the drivers for their new cards (keep in mind they don't have decades of experience developing gpu drivers like Nvidia and AMD have had) .. Which is causing really bad performance issues and compatibility problems. Basically if you have any games that are more that around 5 years old, the gpu's won't even play them. So far performance has been pretty bad with those cards. Maybe they can get the drivers sorted out and get in the game, but i would say it will probably be a few years at least before anyone would consider them competition.
and bought an older EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 SC 6GB for a hundred bucks ($73 US). No tax write off... but if nothing else, I'm thrifty. 
I certainly wouldn't go that route for anything really pricey.
