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82-T/A [At Work]
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JAN 16, 01:58 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
Denial of the severity of the pandemic has already cost the president his job and has now resulted in loss of control of the Senate.
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Bull **** MJ, complete ****ing BULL **** ...
A wise man on here once said...
| quote | Originally posted by Wichita:
A 78 yr feeble old man campaigned from his basement
Receives the most votes of any candidate in history at 4am
Confirmed in the middle of the night
An empty inauguration
20,000 troops to protect him
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The reality is... Democrats stole this election, in some part through pure corrupt and illegal voting (which you are welcome to your opinion), and in other part vast manipulation of election laws. All the states that Trump lost, were states that had massive mail-in voting which allowed for ballot harvesting and other tactics that had never been used before in these states. You can say "better ground game" but most of these election rules were changed without the consent of the legislative branches of the states, and allowed people to vote who were otherwise way to ****ing lazy to actually go out and vote. Should people who aren't even motivated enough to show up in person, be allowed to vote? Fauci, CDC, and everyone said that polling places were more than safe enough (with proper social distancing) for people to vote.
Trump lost because the Democrats leveraged the most unethical voter drive in American history.
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rinselberg
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JAN 16, 03:33 PM
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Trump lost because he spent too much of his political capital on Covid.
It wasn't received by Main Street, USA with as much enthusiasm as he expected.
Especially when it spread from the Blue states and congressional districts into the Purple and Red ones.
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maryjane
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JAN 17, 11:19 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
Trump lost because he spent too much of his political capital on Covid.
It wasn't received by Main Street, USA with as much enthusiasm as he expected.
Especially when it spread from the Blue states and congressional districts into the Purple and Red ones. |
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This is only partially correct. He didn't spend as much 'political captal as he should have, not even close. More to the point, what he did spend outside the very 1st few weeks of the pandemic, he did so in the wrong direction and was thus wasted. Months ago, (Aug- earlySept) in a reply to 82-T/A [At Work] I predicted that Trumps lack of attention to Covid19 was going to play heavily and negatively into his re-election chances, as he had put all his bets on the economy.
He was playing to his base, which was never in jeopardy of being lost to begin with. It was the center and and independents that go him elected, and as the pandemic grew and the death counts increased, he just stuck to the same old message course he had set upon in 2019, and that did not play well in states where 300,000 dead people's relatives, friends, co-workers, neighbors, and other fellow citizens followed what the President was saying and doing in stark contrast to what the best medical minds of the nation and world were recommending.
He fought with his own medical panel, publicly made fun of masks and 6' separations, openly and often urged states to open up public gatherings, beaches, businesses; ..playing again to a base that was going to vote for him no matter what he said or did, losing, the middle and swings that won him the election in 2016.. The 'us' in USA.
He was very late in the game to recommend the public wear masks, but even after he came out in favor of it, he publicly mocked a Fox reporter (Laura Ingram) for wearing a mask at a political rally a week before the election..
“I do believe Laura Ingraham is here someplace,” the president said, scanning the crowd. “Where is Laura? Where is she?”
He continued, “I can’t recognize you. Is that a mask? No way, are you wearing a mask? I’ve never seen her in a mask. Look at you. Laura, she’s being very politically correct. Whoa!”
He was seen as 'not caring about us' and predictably, it all showed up Nov 3.
A good President leads. A great President leads by example.
All these things, more than anything else led to his loss.
I voted for him and if the election was held again today, I would again, but I wouldn't expect him to fare any better.
"Manipulated' election laws? The same mail-in voting protocols were available to the conservative campaign and it's voters as it was to anyone else.
All this denial is reminiscent of HRC's ridiculous claim that FBI Director Comey's statement just 2 weeks before the 2016 election is the leading cause she lost; in fact, she continues to believe it is the ONLY reason she lost. She lost because much of America in the electorally important states within her own blue firewall simply did not trust her because of all the baggage she brought and the fact that Trump's team ran a better campaign. From Benghazi, to the email server, to Jeffery Epstein, to Whitewater, to the Clinton Foundation, she was just too poor of a candidate to begin with, that believed her own hype then looked around for someone else to blame. (Mirrors Hillary, the answer is in the mirror.)
Sound familiar?
It should.
An incumbent candidate can overcome a poor economy, can overcome a foreign war, can overcome a devastating attack on US soil, but 237,000 dead Americans (Nov 1 tally) in peacetime takes a LOT more finesse and attention than Donald trump was able or willing to commit to.
IMO, he didn't lose. He gave it away.
Now, we have to live with it.
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maryjane
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JAN 17, 11:37 AM
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How stable was/is that conservative base that Trump wasted so much political capital on?
https://www.nbcnews.com/pol...ol-violence-n1254457
| quote | WASHINGTON — Donald Trump is the only president in U.S. history to be impeached twice — this time for his role in inciting a deadly assault on the Capitol by his supporters — but he is still poised to leave office with a job approval rating that is fairly typical of his entire time in office.
A new NBC News poll found that 43 percent of voters nationwide gave Trump a positive job approval rating, just barely down from 45 percent who said the same before the November election and the 44 percent who approved of his performance shortly after he took office in 2017. |
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He was singing to the choir, continuing to prime the pump after the water was flowing, when in fact, the choir was the one that gave him the message to begin with. He was, for at least the last 12-18 months just parroting it back to them.
He paid sparse attention to the sinners and unsure folks out in the pews.
His fault or his campaign staff's?
No doubt both.
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sourmash
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JAN 17, 12:00 PM
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He lost because of corruption. Media corruption, political corruption in his party as well as the Democrats. Corruption from his own staffers picked for him by donors or his son in-law.
He lost because predominantly Black
Democrat dominated communities helping to defraud the rest of the electorate.
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rinselberg
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JAN 17, 12:27 PM
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When I said that "Trump lost because he spent too much of his political capital on Covid" I was trying to be facetious. Actually I was being facetious. I was trying to be perceived as facetious, and judging by the response from "maryjane", not entirely successful in that endeavor.
This just in from NBC News:
| quote | Donald Trump is the only president in U.S. history to be impeached twice — this time for his role in inciting a deadly assault on the Capitol by his supporters — but he is still poised to leave office with a job approval rating that is fairly typical of his entire time in office.
A new NBC News poll found that 43 percent of voters nationwide gave Trump a positive job approval rating, just barely down from 45 percent who said the same before the November election and the 44 percent who approved of his performance shortly after he took office in 2017. . . . |
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Carrie Dann (but not too far) for NBC News; January 17, 2021.
https://www.nbcnews.com/pol...ol-violence-n1254457[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 01-17-2021).]
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rinselberg
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JAN 17, 12:29 PM
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I just see that I duplicated "maryjane" on that NBC News report.
Excusez-moi..![This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 01-17-2021).]
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maryjane
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JAN 17, 12:32 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
When I said that "Trump lost because he spent too much of his political capital on Covid" I was trying to be facetious. Actually I was being facetious. I was trying to be perceived as facetious, and judging by the response from "maryjane", not entirely successful in that endeavor.
This just in from NBC News:
Carrie Dann (but not too far) for NBC News; January 17, 2021.
https://www.nbcnews.com/pol...ol-violence-n1254457
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I wouldn't say 'just in'...
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...HTML/126064.html#p13
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MidEngineManiac
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JAN 17, 02:32 PM
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