All electric Fieros are now possible...with the blessing of GM and Chevy (Page 2/4)
maryjane OCT 30, 09:24 PM
DC Plasma Fiero. There were several threads in GFC about it, but looks like most went the way of so many photobucket images did.
I'm sure there are different ways (better? ) to do it nowadays but this one was pretty impressive back in 2012.
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...160323-1-088739.html






http://www.evalbum.com/2453%20

The little shorty transmission looking thing is an overdrive unit to provide 2 speeds.

Build thread is here:
https://www.diyelectriccar....d-10sec-fiero.69476/

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OldGuyinaGT NOV 01, 03:00 PM
No doubt or question that all-electric Fieros are not only possible but exist (as DIYs at least) but the soon-to-be-available GM Electronic Connect and Cruise Package crate setup would be nearly impossible to incorporate into a Fiero, at least with the currently-supplied 60 kWh battery pack shown in this article:

https://www.motorauthority....electric-crate-motor

I also think the price of entry is about 10k.

But I have seen at least one company that claims to be able to convert ANY car to full electric (don't remember the name but they sure looked good in the story). So I got curious and found this:

https://www.hybridcenter.or...onversion-companies/

so I guess there's hope, even if it's outside the reach of my wallet.
Patrick NOV 01, 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by OldGuyinaGT:

I also think the price of entry is about 10k.



Shooooooooooooooooooooop !!!!

That's the sound of all the enthusiasm being sucked out of the room.

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Jake_Dragon NOV 01, 04:54 PM
Much like the V8 conversion I did, I wouldn't expect to convert a Fiero into and EV and not modify it.
There would be a lot of modification and fabrication needed. I watched the video of the guy that is doing Tesla drive train conversions and saw two. One was 450 HP and one was 600 HP.
Both required extensive reinforcement to the subframe.

Remove as much weight as possible.

Start with
Fuel tank and center console
Engine and transmission
Radiator (depending on what options you want there may be a need for a radiator)

Unless you are looking to keep the feel of the standard shift transmission you would want to use the same transmission currently used in most EV
Fuel tank, you wont need that anymore.
Center console, with the frame you would need to install to support the instant TQ of an electric motor you could remove the center console and replace it with a tube frame. You could also gain the firewall space behind the seats.
Both of these could be used to put battery packs in and have access by installing removable panels. The firewall could be extended into the engine compartment as well to give more room for batteries.
This would also give better weight distribution over filling the trunk and front compartment.
The coolant tubes could be replaced with a tube chassis to tie the front and rear frames together to help with strength after removing the center tunnel structure.

So lets use the Tesla S for comparisons.
Fiero
Wheelbase 93.4 in
Track width 57.8 in (I don't know if this is correct.)
Curb weight 2,460 to 2,789 lb

Tesla S3
Wheelbase 113.2 in
Track Width 62.2 in
Base Curb Weight 4100 lb

electric motor + inverter 350 lb
differential - 175 lb
Battery Pack - 1300 lb

So removing the engine and transmission and just installing the batteries and drive train curb weight around 4,325 lb

Looking at the Tesla


The front and rear could be transplanted from a wrecked Tesla and you would get the suspension, brakes and power steering.
I don't know if the track width of the Fiero is correct, if it is well wide body it is

This would not be something a backyard mechanic is going to do in a couple of weekends. But its not past some of the guys here on this board.

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82-T/A [At Work] NOV 01, 07:08 PM
I would really like to see a transverse electric "drop-in" motor. Something like that would be perfect for the Fiero. We can find room for the various batteries... some in the front, some in the gas tank tunnel, and some in the engine compartment. The Fiero doesn't need much...
Rickady88GT NOV 01, 11:44 PM

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Originally posted by Patrick:

Shooooooooooooooooooooop !!!!

That's the sound of all the enthusiasm being sucked out of the room.




Well, I would ask, what is the cost of any professionally installed engine swap?
I love the do it yourself swaps, but some things just can't be done in an average home shop. I think a top of the line manufacturer sponsored engine swap in the $10g range is about acceptable. It may even have a warranty?
Patrick NOV 02, 12:21 AM

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Originally posted by Rickady88GT:

Well, I would ask, what is the cost of any professionally installed engine swap?
I love the do it yourself swaps, but some things just can't be done in an average home shop. I think a top of the line manufacturer sponsored engine swap in the $10g range is about acceptable.



Well damn, if now you're talking "professionally installed"... an electric Fiero project would probably be closer to $20k.

Rickady88GT NOV 02, 12:46 AM

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Originally posted by Patrick:

Well damn, if now you're talking "professionally installed"... an electric Fiero project would probably be closer to $20k.



Let's not not take the typical off topic discussions to other discussions.
I respect your opinions as I respect others outside of politics.
My comments are open for discussion and debate for the betterment of the Fiero hobby.
Yes I think if a person can do a professional quality swap potentially with a factory warranty, if the components were available to us. It would be a great deal foe 10g for example look at the cost of an E Rod LS3.My LS4 with used parts would cost twice that if not more ( to do it the way I wanted it done) if I payed someone to do it for me. Check Archie for LS swaps prices.
I like the factory involvement in advancing our hobby and I hope people show enough interest to keep GM investing in it.

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Jake_Dragon NOV 02, 02:15 AM
I wonder what it would take to get an EV Fiero inspected and tagged in CA.
There is no way I could do this where I currently live but damn this sounds like fun.
Rickady88GT NOV 02, 07:18 AM

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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:

I wonder what it would take to get an EV Fiero inspected and tagged in CA.
There is no way I could do this where I currently live but damn this sounds like fun.



Good question, it never crossed my mind as a problem. There is no emissions systems to test so I assume they would verify that the car is actually all electric?