Is Social Justice a disease? (Page 17/21)
2.5 JAN 21, 11:41 AM
This question is for anyone. Yes you

Describe to me how one creates racial equity of outcome in a department (for example), without hiring or promoting, or firing based on race?
Then describe to me how that is not discrimination based on race. (Which is illegal)
theBDub JAN 21, 01:01 PM

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Originally posted by randye:


What "facts"?

You've excreted plenty of your OPINIONS but, like all young SJW Leftists, you confuse them with facts.



Specifically in this comment, I was referring to other threads where you say something, incorrectly, then just stop replying when shown you are wrong.

But if you want to talk on this topic...


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Originally posted by randye:


Yes I did and, just like all SJW Leftists, you refuse to take responsibility for your own words.

You cannot name a single "recent policy that is making people unequal".

It must be exhausting and sad being a racist like you and seeing your world as nothing but victims people of color and oppressors....

...and by the way, I'm as dispassionate about you as I am about an errant bug on the bottom of my shoe, but thanks for making my point about you SJWs and your preoccupation with feelings.




Though redlining, the process of identifying areas of predominantly Black populations for organized discrimination, especially in housing, is explicitly illegal today, redlining continues to have lasting effects. Some say it's still happening, but in different language/terms: "Fifty years after the federal Fair Housing Act banned racial discrimination in lending, African Americans and Latinos continue to be routinely denied conventional mortgage loans at rates far higher than their white counterparts. This modern-day redlining persisted in 61 metro areas even when controlling for applicants’ income, loan amount and neighborhood, according to a mountain of Home Mortgage Disclosure Act records analyzed by Reveal from The Center for Investigative Reporting." (quote).

Even where it's not happening, those areas identified as having a "heavy concentration of negro" by the government have since been underserved. Why? It's not hard calculus. POC were corralled to certain areas for generations, and investment in infrastructure, home improvement loans, SMB loans all went to White areas. This created a huge disparity in the quality of those areas, which doesn't just go away with a new law. Poorer areas have lower housing prices. School funding is largely provided by property taxes in that area, which then feeds into how much a public school can spend on their students. How much a school spends per child, including resulting class size, have lasting effects for students.

With all of this, we know restrictive housing policies have had lasting effects on access to quality education. The two are interlinked. And access to quality education at a young age feeds into success in education in the teen years. Success in education in high school leads to better access and success in higher education, which despite increasing in cost, remains a good investment. College graduates earn 80% higher than high school graduates.

Those people then go on to lead more financially successful lives, and they live in areas with higher property taxes, which feed into their own children's schools, and their children have those resources. Meanwhile, people who didn't have access to those resources as a child had an unequal opportunity for success through education, which led to less financially successful lives. They could not afford to leave their area, and their children go to the same school they grew up in, going through the same cycle over and over.

This is a cycle, a vicious cycle. Redlining continues to have lasting effects. Again, many here were alive for it. Hell, your children may have been alive for it. To pretend like this isn't a recent phenomenon, or that it hasn't had lasting effects, is to put blinders on.

An analogy might be if you were asked to race a Black man for a one-mile run. But he was held back for 5 minutes before he was allowed to start racing. Just because at 5:01, you are both "allowed to run" doesn't mean it was an equal race. Another one, you and your family are asked to dig a hole 10 miles deep over many years. You get started right away, but the government tells the Black family they cannot yet start. You dig a few years, and hand it off to your child to continue, the other family finally gets started. Your child could be lazy, hand it off to their child, who could also be lazy, and still dig down further due to the head start. Pretending like everything was "equal" just because the law said we now had to treat people equally completely ignores history and the lasting effects of racism.
sourmash JAN 21, 01:38 PM
People invest in primary residence housing where values are stable and schools are good. They avoid areas of wife-beater wearing teens of any skin color invest in booming car stereos.

Real Estate agents want an easy sale.

Bank lenders want (at least) stable values with punctual payments.

Pawn shops, rent to own centers, paycheck loan places and rent-your-car-rim places invest in a less desirable area.

Are advertisers racist for targeting based on race?
theBDub JAN 21, 02:00 PM

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Originally posted by sourmash:

People invest in primary residence housing where values are stable and schools are good. They avoid areas of wife-beater wearing teens of any skin color invest in booming car stereos.

Real Estate agents want an easy sale.

Bank lenders want (at least) stable values with punctual payments.

Pawn shops, rent to own centers, paycheck loan places and rent-your-car-rim places invest in a less desirable area.

Are advertisers racist for targeting based on race?



I'm going to ignore your dog whistle on wife-beaters and booming car stereos and speak to your other statements. Yes, actions taken today that don't take race into account at all still foster inequality due to prior policies that changed the "startling line" for so many people.

It's not wrong for a real estate agent to want an easy sale. It's not wrong for a bank lender to want punctual payments. It is wrong for us to collectively ignore that past decisions still have lasting impact today. Though we say we are all equal, that is a convenient delusion that ignores generations of White supremacy.

How do we fix it? All decisions are suboptimal.

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sourmash JAN 21, 02:36 PM

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Originally posted by theBDub:


I'm going to ignore your dog whistle on wife-beaters and booming car stereos and speak to your other statements. Yes, actions taken today that don't take race into account at all still foster inequality due to prior policies that changed the "startling line" for so many people.

It's not wrong for a real estate agent to want an easy sale. It's not wrong for a bank lender to want punctual payments. It is wrong for us to collectively ignore that past decisions still have lasting impact today. Though we say we are all equal, that is a convenient delusion that ignores generations of White supremacy.

How do we fix it? All decisions are suboptimal.



We aren't equal. Whites aren't allowed to be.

Black men got the right to vote before White women.

Most of the booming car stereos round here are White twerps screaming for attention and creds. No clear dog whistle for racism here. It's cultural. It's lifestyle choices.

White Supremacy isn't what holds people back. It's an excuse to hold Whites back.

Now, are there cultural preferences of the past that people today are using as excuses to hold other people back and so they call everything White Supremacy?

People also conflate segregation with White Supremacy. It just means separate. It can start equal and end in a very diff place.

Regarding equal and separate, if you ever read the 3-4 sentences of the decision and opinion deciding Brown vs. Board of Ed you'll find it doesn't say what people think it says. It says Black kids are deprived if they can't be in classes with Whites. WTH? It says even if everything is equal from teachers to buildings to material,
presentation, money, everything, then Blacks are deprived unless Whites are there with them. Not more well rounded. It reads they're disadvantaged. There are no decisions I know of for Whites like this.

Hispanics are going to elbow Blacks out of preferential positions in your and even my lifetime.
randye JAN 22, 05:37 AM

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Originally posted by theBDub:


Though we say we are all equal, that is a convenient delusion that ignores generations of White supremacy.





You young SJW's witlessly follow the edicts of cultural Marxism which is sexist (against men), racist (against Whites), dislikes "cis" (straight people), is intolerant of religion (Christianity), degrades patriots (over globalists) and has disdain for the nuclear family (over "alternative" families).

Despite all of your bleating and bloviating about white people as the proximate cause of all of your imagined evils that you think exist in this country today, the reality is that you live in the most free, equal, inclusive and least racist country on the face of the planet today.

I suspect that your obvious ignorance of that is partly due to the fact that you're likely not well travelled around this world to see real racism and inequality first hand and largely due to the "fire hose" of Marxist anti-American propaganda that you have been fed that leads you to wrongly believe and insist that American is some sort of racial and cultural hell-hole.

Add all of that to a big heapin' helpin' of youthful arrogance and narcissism and we have "useful idiot" SJWs with the fanaticism of Mao's Red Guards, accompanied by legions of larval Wesley Mouch replicas.

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cliffw JAN 22, 05:47 AM

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Originally posted by theBDub:
I'm going to ignore your dog whistle ...



Which you did not.
randye JAN 22, 06:28 AM

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Originally posted by cliffw:


Which you did not.



Calling someone's comments a "dog whistle" is the SJW's way of calling you a racist while simultaneously trying to denigrate and diminish what you said no matter how you intended it or how innocuous it was.

Don't fall for it.
cliffw JAN 22, 07:45 AM

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Originally posted by randye:
Don't fall for it.



I like to laugh, .

I don't know why theBDub has so much white shame. I have none, because ... I have white privilege. I have had two wives. First one, 13 years, three children, was a person of Mexican color, born in Monterrey, Mexico. We speak still yet she is more of a good friend of her replacement, my present wife of twenty years.

For the theBDub to come in and accuse us of person of color racism, gee I don't have a clue. That he says it exists, he admitted of being naive. He has said he was working on that. I think he has made good progress.

Perhaps, theBDub should join a white supremacy board and council them in their ways.

I was struggling trying to understand what "redlining" was. I have come to understand that it is what Twatter and FaceSpace does.

America. Land of the free. Home of the Victims.

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sourmash JAN 22, 08:52 AM
White people are the most altruistic people in existence.