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| Hudini...from your unique perspective, thoughts on the new Chinese corona virus (Page 13/146) |
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randye
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FEB 04, 06:56 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by MadMark:
That would be true if we actually had knowledge of the mortality rate. Right now it is an assumed rate. And part of the assumptions is knowing how many people actually have the disease and how many actually die of the disease. We don't know the actual number of people who have the disease. And we don't know how many will die of the disease, because it is too early. So anything we have now is just speculation. |
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Judging by the content of your posts on this subject, I'm inclined to believe that you are needlessly scaring yourself.
During the SARS coronavirus outbreak the United States had only 5 verified cases of human infection.
During the MERS coronavirus outbreak the United States had only 2 verified cases of human infection.
During the Asian "bird flu" coronavirus outbreak the United States had ZERO verified cases of human infection
Your odds of being seriously injured in a car crash, over the span of your entire life, are somewhere in between 1 in 50 and 1 in 100.
That's many orders of magnitude higher probability than you ever getting the current nCoV.
Worry about the things that are more likely to happen to you rather than the things that are statistically closer to impossible.[This message has been edited by randye (edited 02-04-2020).]
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Hudini
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FEB 04, 07:05 PM
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Some things are very polite. There isn't much physical violence like murder. Some things done routinely here would get your butt shot in the US. People rush to be the first in line, or grab the seat first, or use the on ramp to get ahead of one or two cars during a traffic jam. I've seen people completely block the elevator door trying to get in so the people on the elevator can't get out. Most of this I attribute to an overcrowded society where you either learn to compete or get stepped on.
The strangest behavior is the lack of Good Samaritan actions. If you get hit by a car and are lying there bleeding, no one will help you. You will get a big crowd just standing around looking at you. The reason is actually pretty simple and it involves money. If you help someone you now become part of the problem. You can be required to pay the hospital bills as well as being sued for money by the very person you helped. Therefore no one helps. It's not about compassion, it's about money.
There was a famous story in Beijing where a Chinese girl jumped into a lake to kill herself. As she was flailing around a crowd gathered to watch. Finally someone jumped in to save her. It was an American. Not one single Chinese dared try to help.
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maryjane
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FEB 04, 07:26 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Hudini:
Unfortunately you don't know the reason behind the guy being tossed in the ambulance.
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"Knowing" has never stopped MeM before...why would it now?
Let's play 'MeM for a second... (you can expect the following to show up as "fact" on one of his weirdo websites any time.)
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MidEngineManiac
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FEB 04, 07:31 PM
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The tear was caused by the alien parasite abandoning the now-infected host.
Don't you watch SG-1 ?
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maryjane
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FEB 04, 08:12 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by MadMark:
Newest information. A large jump today in total cases and in deaths.
"By the end of Monday, more than 20,000 cases and 425 deaths had been reported in China - an increase of more than 3,000 confirmed cases in a single day."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51362336 |
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According to today's news, (1 hr ago) the total confirmed increased by 4000 today.
| quote | | Coronavirus live updates: Death toll in China hits 490, as confirmed cases cross 24,000 |
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https://www.cnbc.com/2020/0...-latest-updates.html
Emphasis on 'confirmed'. I would tend to add the word 'known' to that.
I find this an interesting, but not really 'frightening discussion.[This message has been edited by maryjane (edited 02-04-2020).]
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williegoat
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FEB 04, 08:15 PM
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I'm pretty sure they got those suits at Harbor Freight next to the paint brushes.
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randye
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FEB 04, 08:23 PM
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Looks like they need to build about 23 more of those "instant 1,000 bed hospitals"......
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maryjane
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FEB 04, 08:30 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
I'm pretty sure they got those suits at Harbor Freight next to the paint brushes. |
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I've worn the Tyvek suits in radiation remediation work. It don't take much to tear one.
The "It can be transmitted before symptoms show up" thing is now in question..
https://www.medpagetoday.co...e/publichealth/84688
| quote | February 04, 2020
Asymptomatic transmission of the novel coronavirus in Germany was called into doubt on Monday when an article appeared to question the research behind it.
Science magazine detailed errors in the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) research letter published last Thursday. The letter reported that asymptomatic transmission of novel coronavirus occurred in Bavaria, Germany, when several co-workers of an asymptomatic woman traveling from China contracted the virus.
The letter, and several media reports, said that the woman wasn't sick when she was in Germany and only began to feel ill on the plane ride home. Turns out that wasn't quite true.
Researchers who wrote the NEJM letter did not speak to the woman herself, according to Science. But after she spoke to officials from the Robert Koch Institute, Germany's public health agency, and Bavarian officials, she said that she "felt tired, suffered from muscle pain," and took fever-lowering medication while in Germany.
While Germany's health agency spokespeople would only confirm that the woman had symptoms, the Robert Koch Institute has submitted a letter to NEJM, presumably to correct the record.
China has claimed to have data showing asymptomatic transmission occurring within the country, but U.S. health officials previously said that they did not have enough data to make that claim. That appeared to change after the publication of the NEJM letter.
Indeed, asymptomatic transmission outside China was alluded to when the U.S. declared a public health emergency for novel coronavirus on Friday. And on Saturday, the World Health Organization (WHO) reported "third-generation" transmission of the virus in Germany. |
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Lots more in the article..read it.
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Jake_Dragon
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FEB 04, 08:33 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Hudini:
Some things are very polite. There isn't much physical violence like murder. Some things done routinely here would get your butt shot in the US. People rush to be the first in line, or grab the seat first, or use the on ramp to get ahead of one or two cars during a traffic jam. I've seen people completely block the elevator door trying to get in so the people on the elevator can't get out. Most of this I attribute to an overcrowded society where you either learn to compete or get stepped on.
The strangest behavior is the lack of Good Samaritan actions. If you get hit by a car and are lying there bleeding, no one will help you. You will get a big crowd just standing around looking at you. The reason is actually pretty simple and it involves money. If you help someone you now become part of the problem. You can be required to pay the hospital bills as well as being sued for money by the very person you helped. Therefore no one helps. It's not about compassion, it's about money.
There was a famous story in Beijing where a Chinese girl jumped into a lake to kill herself. As she was flailing around a crowd gathered to watch. Finally someone jumped in to save her. It was an American. Not one single Chinese dared try to help. |
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There is a large population of Chinese here in CA.
They act the same way in the break room and never make coffee.
Finally had enough and lost my cool and its only better because they avoid me now.
Perhaps thats not a bad thing.
I'm working from home for the rest of this week and will play next week by ear. Or more on point by nose.
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randye
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FEB 04, 08:33 PM
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