Hudini...from your unique perspective, thoughts on the new Chinese corona virus (Page 121/146)
Tony Kania APR 06, 12:42 AM

maryjane APR 06, 02:38 AM
That is interesting Tony.

Here's something else...





It's just one day, but the flattening of the curve may be beginning for the USA..One can hope.
Evident in both new cases, and active cases for yesterday Apr 5. 8,880 fewer new cases yesterday than the day before.
Tony Kania APR 06, 03:01 AM
It seems we need to wear masks now.

I am not going to be caught dead in a mask, is what I thought until today. I mentioned doing the shopping for us and others. Even found it odd that people are wearing masks. I will have one on when entering stores until further notice. I feel great, and get that my beard is not saving my azz, but it could help others if I were to be a carrier.
rinselberg APR 06, 03:14 AM
If anyone wants to look for what else could be online, in connection with that YouTube video that was posted at the top of this forum page.

WWFS?
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"COVID-19 Daily: Ventilator Protocols Questioned"
Alicia Gallegos for Medscape Medical News; April 05, 2020.
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/928160


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Cameron Kyle-Sidell, MD, a critical care physician working in New York City, has been sounding the alarm on Twitter, urging healthcare professionals to consider that COVID-19 acts less like typical acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) and more like high-altitude pulmonary edema (HAPE). The bottom line, Kyle-Sidell said, is that the current use of ventilators may be causing lung injury in COVID-19 patients and that it may be time to consider lung-protective strategies that utilize lower pressure settings.

Kyle-Sidell is not the only one raising questions about the use of the ARDS paradigm in COVID-19 patients. In a letter to the editor published in the American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine on March 30, Luciano Gattinoni, MD, of the Medical University of Göttingen in Germany, and colleagues noted that COVID-19 patients in intensive care units in northern Italy had an atypical ARDS presentation, namely well-preserved lung gas volume and severe hypoxemia. Gattinoni and colleagues suggest in the letter that instead of high positive end-expiratory pressure (PEEP), physicians should consider the lowest possible PEEP and gentle ventilation.
olejoedad APR 06, 09:04 AM
Good post, rinse.
cliffw APR 06, 09:08 AM

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Originally posted by maryjane:
Travel from one region/state to the other(s) was not curtailed at first. IOW, people from one area could infect people in other areas and the best defense was on an individual basis..sheltering in place.



I do understand the sentiment of the guidelines. Not all will behave responsibly. Instead of a blanket shelter in place, people who commute to affected ares have a higher duty to do so, and that should be stressed in any guidelines.

As far as the crisis peaking, that to me would be contingent with everyone having committed to the guidelines, which I know is not the case. They are still doing in person coverage of the Pesident's briefings. They are not safe ? Are we going to see a rash of truckers hospitalized ?


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Originally posted by maryjane:
History, both relatively recent and older, has shown that economic 'damage' is pretty temporary. Most jobs due to coronavirus layoffs and furloughs will return and businesses will reopen. "The chief business of America is business"



I would think so. There might be a new reality on how business can be conducted, students can be schooled, and such. Many businesses spring up around larger businesses. It will be interesting and the President did start a new task force to get business back to normal.
2.5 APR 06, 11:37 AM
Here is my problem with this whole deal. No real info.

If you have sources that confront these questions in full please share.

Even the CDC and other legit sources statements are all qualified by "at this time we don't have any evidence of cases caused by" or " transmission via", etc. Everything is qualified basically by "we think" or "odds are reduced"
They talk an awful lot about keeping distance from other people, yet some people are treating groceries and take out food as if it is completely safe.

Our legit sources don't seem to know:

-if you can catch it twice in a relatively short period of time.
(which if you can the second time would be much worse after your system had revcently fought it off)

-if it transfers very well on certain surfaces
(other than: air 3 hours = SIGNIFICANT (filter in house air?), copper 4 hours, 24 hours cardboard (paper?), 72 hours metal and plastic (what temp?)
"Some studies on other coronaviruses, including Sars and Mers, found they can survive on metal, glass and plastic for as long as nine days, unless they are properly disinfected. "

-if it lasts longer on cold/frozen surfaces
(Think about your frozen food / packages.)

-if stomach acid kills it
(recent reports say it is in feces, so evidently it goes thru us and lives on)
https://www.livescience.com...d-through-feces.html
(how does this affect the water supply?) (Apparently boiling water is the only way to kill viruses.)

-If it actually lasts and how long floating through the air.
(recirculated air issues?)

-if it will lessen in summer

-if it will come back in the fall
(most say it will)

-if it will still be there, and re-spread if we stop staying home.
(seems logical it would)

-if a water rinse down doesnt get it off your hands without soap, why do I see recommendations of not washing many fresh foods with soap? We just stop eating them then?

many more

Seriously. They act like they are taking this seriously but it seems more like the answers to these questions would scare too many people, so they don't specify.

(My thoughts)

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maryjane APR 06, 12:28 PM
2.5. All legitimate concerns, but from the very start, CDC and WHO made it perfectly clear (or tried to) that this was a brand new set of circumstances that they knew very little about. It didn't help that so many people including some of the media blew it off as "just another type of influenza".

For the US, the first case presented on Jan 29 and the first confirmed death occurred about 2 weeks later. That's (just) 68 days to try to learn an awful lot. As one of the epidemiologists stated weeks ago "This is new for all of us. We're learning about it ........but it's 'learning' about us too"

I've had new cars that it took me longer than that to learn how to use all the gadgets and options on...and they came with a user manual..

It's just hard to get a model on..

https://fivethirtyeight.com...good-covid-19-model/

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williegoat APR 06, 12:42 PM
Americans are a resilient bunch. We have been shut down for weeks now, and still no riots or crime waves, just a lot of funny crap on YouTube. The stock market seems to have stabilized (for now) at mid-2017 levels, still 10% above the best of the Obama economy.

We are doing OK and the purveyors of propaganda are no pleased. One "reporter"* has called for the shutdown of grocery stores. That just might cause social unrest.

A month ago, we were told that the TP shortage was temporary and caused by hoarders. Now we are being told that it is because of people staying home and that the supply of consumer packaged TP was strained. I am calling for a congressional hearing.



* "reporter" is in quotes because that is no longer an appropriate job description for many of their ilk

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Tony Kania APR 06, 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:

Good post, rinse.




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