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| Hudini...from your unique perspective, thoughts on the new Chinese corona virus (Page 111/146) |
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rinselberg
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MAR 30, 03:03 PM
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"11 to 100,000: What went wrong with coronavirus testing in the U.S."
Meg Kelly, Sarah Cahlan and Elyse Samuels for the Washington Post; March 30, 2020.
https://www.washingtonpost....onavirus-testing-us/
Hot off the presses. Today's catch. This is at the end of it.
| quote | The CDC designed its own test. The FDA picked a conservative testing strategy, allowing labs to use only the CDC test. When those tests failed, neither a new strategy nor a new test was available for more than two weeks. [HHS Secretary Alex] Azar failed to push the agencies to change direction, and the president didn’t intervene.
Even then, widespread testing was not immediately available. It’s not just the number of tests that are the problem — it’s getting the materials to do the tests and the personal protective medical equipment for providers to give those tests. That means we may never have a true count of how many Americans contracted the virus. |
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Patrick
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MAR 30, 03:15 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Tony Kania:
Sorry that the lot of you are butt hurt about this President. My feelings are not affected by yours. Carry on though.
Again, I ask that BS not be placed into this thread, unless it is approved by the Canadian government.
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I see you're now back to "normal". Get help, Tony... while you still can.
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Patrick
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MAR 30, 03:51 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:
Looking after your own and you family first is just common sense. If there is something left over, only then is charity a viable option. Nobody in their right mind feeds the neighbors kids and let's their own go hungry..... except for lefties.
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Silly analogy. When an epidemic breaks out, and the epicenter is low on supplies, it only makes common sense to send supplies from areas of the world not yet affected. This is what many other countries did, including the US and Canada. If the assistance helps to contain, or at least slow down the virus, everybody wins... as we're all now painfully aware that viruses respect no borders.
China has already started to repay the assistance, by so far sending to Canada... 30,000 medical masks, 10,000 sets of protective clothing, 10,000 goggles and 50,000 pairs of gloves.
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olejoedad
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MAR 30, 04:17 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
"11 to 100,000: What went wrong with coronavirus testing in the U.S."
Meg Kelly, Sarah Cahlan and Elyse Samuels for the Washington Post; March 30, 2020.
https://www.washingtonpost....onavirus-testing-us/
Hot off the presses. Today's catch. This is at the end of it.
[QUOTE]The CDC designed its own test. The FDA picked a conservative testing strategy, allowing labs to use only the CDC test. When those tests failed, neither a new strategy nor a new test was available for more than two weeks. [HHS Secretary Alex] Azar failed to push the agencies to change direction, and the president didn’t intervene.
Even then, widespread testing was not immediately available. It’s not just the number of tests that are the problem — it’s getting the materials to do the tests and the personal protective medical equipment for providers to give those tests. That means we may never have a true count of how many Americans contracted the virus. |
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I will take issue with the last sentence of the quoted report.
Other than for statistical purposes, it makes little difference if we know the total infected.
Once an antigen test is developed (and it will be) then we can determine the number infected, but only if the testing is mandated for all citizens.
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olejoedad
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MAR 30, 04:30 PM
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Oops, double post! [This message has been edited by olejoedad (edited 03-30-2020).]
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maryjane
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MAR 30, 05:17 PM
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| quote | | Even then, widespread testing was not immediately available. It’s not just the number of tests that are the problem — it’s getting the materials to do the tests and the personal protective medical equipment for providers to give those tests. That means we may never have a true count of how many Americans contracted the virus. |
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Just as we never had a true count of how many really had any of the flu strains, smallpox or any other viral illness. Every administration, even going back before CDC was called CDC has relied on them to recommend what is to be done. ..not the other way around. CDC is good at what they do, but can't magically produce cures, equipment or even instantaneous and always correct responses at the drop of a hat, regardless of what some moron at a news agency thinks..[This message has been edited by maryjane (edited 03-30-2020).]
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rinselberg
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MAR 30, 05:23 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
I will take issue with the last sentence of the quoted report.
Other than for statistical purposes, it makes little difference if we know the total infected.
Once an antigen test is developed (and it will be) then we can determine the number infected, but only if the testing is mandated for all citizens. |
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Fair enough.
I have a report from The Atlantic that offers some criticisms of some of the news organizations that I myself tend to favor; not for what they are reporting now, but for what they were reporting earlier in the year.
"It Wasn’t Just Trump Who Got It Wrong"
| quote | | America’s coronavirus response failed because we didn’t understand the complexity of the problem. |
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Zeynep Tufekci for the Atlantic; March 24, 2020.
https://www.theatlantic.com...rus-response/608596/
"Zeynep Tufekci is an associate professor at the University of North Carolina, and a faculty associate at the Harvard Berkman Klein Center for Internet and Society. She studies the interaction between digital technology, artificial intelligence, and society."
Here's the opening "chords":
| quote | Many will be tempted to see the tragic coronavirus pandemic through a solely partisan lens: The Trump administration spectacularly failed in its response, by cutting funding from essential health services and research before the crisis, and later by denying its existence and its severity. Those are both true, but they don’t fully explain the current global crisis that has engulfed countries of varying political persuasions.
As it turns out, the reality-based, science-friendly communities and information sources many of us depend on also largely failed. We had time to prepare for this pandemic at the state, local, and household level, even if the government was terribly lagging, but we squandered it because of widespread asystemic thinking: the inability to think about complex systems and their dynamics. We faltered because of our failure to consider risk in its full context, especially when dealing with coupled risk—when multiple things can go wrong together. . . . |
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[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 03-30-2020).]
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maryjane
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MAR 30, 05:37 PM
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The big failure comes from the false philosophy so many have adopted over the last few decades. "It has never happened here in our or our parent's lives, therefore it can't/won't happen here".
Those little imaginary circles of isolation people tend to draw around themselves..
We did the same during the years just prior to 911.
We did the same in the years prior to Pearl Harbor.
We have met the enemy and it is us...but we gonna/gotta find someone else to blame.......
Look at what La's governor said in answering why he didn't cancel New Orleans Mardi Gras..."Because no one from the federal govt told us we had to".
(Mardi Gras ended Feb 16)
Houston Tx was no better. Didn't cancel the Houston Rodeo with it's 2 million visitors history until mid March when nearly a million people had already been to it, and I was truly surprised to learn it was cancelled..[This message has been edited by maryjane (edited 03-30-2020).]
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olejoedad
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MAR 30, 06:58 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
The article from the Atlantic....
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I have some issues with the misleading and false statements in the first of the two paragraphs that you supplied, but what the heck, it's an opinion piece from the Atlantic....always a good source of biased reporting and commentary.
The US government, the press and the people were being sidetracked by the Chuck and Nancy impeachment show.
That was necessary, now, wasn't it.....
And now Nancy wants to investigate the 'slow response'.........
Perhaps we should blame DiFi, why didn't her chauffeur clue her in?[This message has been edited by olejoedad (edited 03-30-2020).]
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olejoedad
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MAR 30, 08:26 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
Silly analogy. When an epidemic breaks out, and the epicenter is low on supplies, it only makes common sense to send supplies from areas of the world not yet affected. This is what many other countries did, including the US and Canada. If the assistance helps to contain, or at least slow down the virus, everybody wins... as we're all now painfully aware that viruses respect no borders.
China has already started to repay the assistance, by so far sending to Canada... 30,000 medical masks, 10,000 sets of protective clothing, 10,000 goggles and 50,000 pairs of gloves. |
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And then there IS this....
"The Dutch health ministry said over the weekend that it was forced to recall 600,000 face masks that were shipped from China on March 21 after they were found to be faulty. Some of the masks failed to fit the mouth properly while others were found to have insufficient filters, the government said.
Health care workers have been informed and told not to use the masks. Due to the shortages, we can find ourselves in a situation where only protective equipment is available that does not meet the highest standards," the health ministry said in a statement. "This is an issue in all countries.
The Netherlands is the latest country to reject China-made coronavirus testing kits and other protective gear, calling the items substandard and raising serious questions about the quality of the supplies Beijing is selling to the world.
The Netherlands joins Spain, Turkey, Georgia, and the Czech Republic in their concerns over masks and test kits. The claims come as the number of confirmed COVID-19 cases surge in the United States and Europe, highlighting the dependence many countries have on Chinese imports."
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