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| Hudini...from your unique perspective, thoughts on the new Chinese corona virus (Page 101/146) |
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ray b
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MAR 26, 10:17 PM
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because our govenator is an idiot and has no clue
he did not shut down the spring breakers in time
and is letting city and county mayors decide what to shut down when
no over all state orders
very weak leadership that will cost lives
btw NO heat [normal 80+ deg temp] doesNOT slow the cv-19 spread here
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randye
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MAR 26, 11:02 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by ray b:
because our govenator is an idiot and has no clue
he did not shut down the spring breakers in time
and is letting city and county mayors decide what to shut down when
no over all state orders
very weak leadership that will cost lives
btw NO heat [normal 80+ deg temp] doesNOT slow the cv-19 spread here |
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You babbling, burned out, Buffoon.
The beaches are closed.
The spring break kids are gone.
STILL no screaming by Florida for MORE MORE MORE....especially ventilators or military medical ships like NY Governor Cuomo is whining about.
You believe that Governor DeSantis is your problem and that Florida would be so much better right now with your fellow Leftist, Andrew Gillum.
Here HE is passed out, naked, in his own vomit, and found with a homosexual prostitute in a Miami motel room full of meth and other drugs....
...DURING THIS EMERGENCY
THIS is what you brain dead Leftists wanted as Florida's governor:
You moron Leftists are so predictable.....and such scum
[This message has been edited by randye (edited 03-27-2020).]
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rinselberg
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MAR 26, 11:43 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by ray b:
btw NO heat [normal 80+ deg temp] doesNOT slow the cv-19 spread here |
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I have heard a few different times that what causes these influenza-like virus infections to subside during the warmer months is UV. Higher sun angles during the daytime means that UV radiation has a more direct path to the earth's surface, and it's the seasonal increase in UV radiation impinging upon the earth's surface and all of the cityscapes, suburban municipalities and agrarian and rural hectares (including national, state and country level parks and wilderness areas) that kills or neutralizes the virus.
But I do "run on."
 [This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 03-26-2020).]
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MidEngineManiac
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MAR 27, 12:55 AM
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So who is all going ?
 [This message has been edited by MidEngineManiac (edited 03-27-2020).]
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Hudini
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MAR 27, 01:01 AM
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We do know that UV light kills viruses. We also know that the flu and cold "season" is winter. If it's UV that kills this virus then great.
Now does a black light kills viruses? Those are UV but normally not very strong. Finds oil leaks well enough.
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maryjane
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MAR 27, 01:22 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by MadMark:
And here is an article that kind of highlights what the article I posted before had to say. Huge difference between 500K deaths and 20K or less. While 20K is nothing to sneeze at it has to be looked at in the context of how many deaths are due to the normal flu and our response to that. And do we shut down the world because of the normal flu. Or is the trend now to shut down the world because someone might possibly die? If so do we quit driving cars? Or flying on airplanes? Or doing anything? And what would be the cost in lives if we just shut down the economy? If you think that won't end up costing lives, you have no idea of how the world works.
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So, you're advocating putting everyone back to work and letting the chips fall?
You get to pick the 20,000 that are going to die and inform their families.
As far as Ican discern, all this distancing and temporarily closed businesses began not quite 3 weeks ago.
We have military that have been deploying to hellish places all over the mideast living in conditions that most of us would find deplorable..while getting shot at too and even those that aren't, are often at sea for months, or in countries with a lot less than what we have here. My own parents went thru both the great depression and the rationing of WW2 without blinking an eye and we as a nation can't even make it 3 weeks of not working, or eating out at our favorite restaurants and doing without extra toilet paper without being ready to sacrifice 20,000 of our fellow citizens?
And we have the nerve to castigate millennials for living with their parents? They aren't the pussies...we are.
We think this is the greatest country on Earth and we can't make the smallest of sacrifices?
When I see people saying we should just chuck it in and take our losses, and then think of all the sacrifices I made in 9 years of military for this country, and remember my friends that didn't make it back or made it back missing parts, I wonder why the hell we even bothered.
Me Me Me Me Me me me me me me.
The country will bounce back just as it did after the civil war, just as it did after both world wars, just as it did after 911, and we don't and shouldn't have to sacrifice thousands to do it this time.
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cliffw
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MAR 27, 05:41 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
I never used a ventilator. |
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Thinking about it I believe I am wrong. Four times a day I had breathing treatments. The same oxygen which was fed by tube to my nose (2 psi) also was hooked to a machine which gave me the treatments.
I guess it would be a respiratory therapist who would inject a medicine in it and I was fitted with a nose/mouth mask to breath the medicine. They were only 15-20 minute sessions. I was moved too many times and every room had one (perhaps I was only moved to pulmonary rooms). They were on stands on wheels like mobile IV stands are. I don't see how they could not be used on multiple people.
I wonder what medicine they are using for the Corona virus in the ventilators. Surely they are not using them as iron lungs.
| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
Governor Andrew Cuomo calmly explaining the use of ventilators...
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My treatment also consisted of antibiotics. I again wonder what antibiotics are being used for the Corona virus. Maybe that is the problem with not recovering and prolonged use of the same ventilators on one patient, causing a shortage of ventilators.
| quote | Originally posted by randye:
Cliff, Don't be fooled by LEFTIST BULLSHIT involving a hack like Cuomo.
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Not to worry. I am familiar with him.
I am tired of listening to non stop Covid 19 news and tune out. I have seen him hold regular pressers on Fox News and elsewhere. I was wondering why he was the face of reason for the nation.
| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
So, you're advocating putting everyone back to work and letting the chips fall?
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I also saw Lt Gov Abbots comments and thought they had merit. At least for large swaths of the country. We didn't start stop working until it became an issue and there are many places where it is not.
Also, per your shortage post about stores not having ample future stock, many people depend on the very next check when the money has ran out, just as stores restocked just before they run out. That 20,000 number you mention could easily be people willing to take the risk. Perhaps that should be regulated in heavily populated areas but I can see opening up the country quite a bit. Close sections if the need presents itself, just as they adjusted group size and social distancing.
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MadMark
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MAR 27, 09:45 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
So, you're advocating putting everyone back to work and letting the chips fall?
You get to pick the 20,000 that are going to die and inform their families.
As far as Ican discern, all this distancing and temporarily closed businesses began not quite 3 weeks ago.
We have military that have been deploying to hellish places all over the mideast living in conditions that most of us would find deplorable..while getting shot at too and even those that aren't, are often at sea for months, or in countries with a lot less than what we have here. My own parents went thru both the great depression and the rationing of WW2 without blinking an eye and we as a nation can't even make it 3 weeks of not working, or eating out at our favorite restaurants and doing without extra toilet paper without being ready to sacrifice 20,000 of our fellow citizens?
And we have the nerve to castigate millennials for living with their parents? They aren't the pussies...we are.
We think this is the greatest country on Earth and we can't make the smallest of sacrifices?
When I see people saying we should just chuck it in and take our losses, and then think of all the sacrifices I made in 9 years of military for this country, and remember my friends that didn't make it back or made it back missing parts, I wonder why the hell we even bothered.
Me Me Me Me Me me me me me me.
The country will bounce back just as it did after the civil war, just as it did after both world wars, just as it did after 911, and we don't and shouldn't have to sacrifice thousands to do it this time. |
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I am certainly surprised by your response here maryjane.
I will try to answer what you have posted in some semblance of order.
First: "So, you're advocating putting everyone back to work and letting the chips fall?"
No I am not. That is a gross distortion of what I have said so far. There are areas of this country that are badly infected and a whole lot that are not. It is not and cannot be a black and white solution. There has to different ways to deal with it for the various areas.
Second: "You get to pick the 20,000 that are going to die and inform their families."
No not at all. Who dies and who lives as always depends not on me or you, but on God, in my case, or fate, or the devil, or whatever you think causes death in this world every day. That is not going to change. I have a question to ask you then. At what point do you suggest we go back to work? At what point is it alright to let some die so all the rest may live? Is it 1000 deaths in a year? 100 deaths in a year? 10 deaths in a year? Or can we not suffer one death in a year due to this virus?
Going along with that, whatever point you pick how long will it take to get there? Another week? A month? A year? 10 years? How long can we as a country sustain that? And as a world too? How long before our infrastructure dies out? How long before the suicides exceed the death rate of the virus? How long before we can live free again?
Third: "As far as Ican discern, all this distancing and temporarily closed businesses began not quite 3 weeks ago.
We have military that have been deploying to hellish places all over the mideast living in conditions that most of us would find deplorable..while getting shot at too and even those that aren't, are often at sea for months, or in countries with a lot less than what we have here. My own parents went thru both the great depression and the rationing of WW2 without blinking an eye and we as a nation can't even make it 3 weeks of not working, or eating out at our favorite restaurants and doing without extra toilet paper without being ready to sacrifice 20,000 of our fellow citizens?
And we have the nerve to castigate millennials for living with their parents? They aren't the pussies...we are.
We think this is the greatest country on Earth and we can't make the smallest of sacrifices?"
You certainly packed a lot in this one. You talk about service to country. Well, sir you are not the only one who has served. I have too. I put my life on the line too. And there are hundreds of thousands of American youth to middle age who are now serving. They don't get to decide to isolate and hide from the virus. Do you really think that an air craft carrier with over 3500 of our young men and women on it can isolate and keep away from each other like we are told to? Already we have heard of cases of this virus on board one of our air craft carriers and now the military has shut down information about how many and where the affected are, because it makes sense to not inform our enemies if we have a problem. After all you have seen in your 70 plus years, you really think China, or Russia or Iran or many other groups and countries would not take advantage our temporary weakness? I certainly don't trust our historical enemies. Do you?
As to the depression, my parents both went through it too. And no one that I know of is advocating we just blatantly give up and completely return to work today. So that is a distortion to the reality of what we face. Like I said before it is not an either or proposition.
It is not just 3 weeks, going by what you have said here we continue on indefinitely. As to your reference to 20,000 of your fellow citizens, have we not suffered that kind of loss every year? More than that have died this year alone due to the regular flu. Why are we so much more afraid of this Covid-19 flu? Are we that much of, in your words, pussies that we cannot carry on?
And speaking of sacrifices, is it a sacrifice to sit at home on our butts, while our world and the economy falls down around us? How do we recover if our whole world goes into a steep depression? And wars break out? And our infrastructure is destroyed? How many people will die if we do not get back to work fairly soon? Can you even count that toll?
Just at what point do you suggest we get out of our trenches and attack this problem? Do we have to wait until the government can guarantee that no one will die from Covid-19? I certainly don't think that is a viable or reasonable thing to do.
Finally: "We think this is the greatest country on Earth and we can't make the smallest of sacrifices?
When I see people saying we should just chuck it in and take our losses, and then think of all the sacrifices I made in 9 years of military for this country, and remember my friends that didn't make it back or made it back missing parts, I wonder why the hell we even bothered."
As I said before, you are not the only one on here who served in the military. You are not the only one who lost friends due to war. Your appeal to emotions is just that, an appeal to emotions and not to logic.
And this last little bit about sacrifices, is just puff. We have to somehow in this world where death and destruction lie in wait all around us, make some choices and do the best we can for the largest number of people. We cannot nor will we ever be able to say, we can now go on since we will not lose anyone else. To believe we can is utter foolishness. We at some point need to make a decision and it will take real sacrifices, not vapid sit on your ass ones. We might disagree as to the timing of when this will be, but we do need to make a decision.
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Lambo nut
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MAR 27, 09:47 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Boondawg:
I see your well-known maturity level hasn't hindered your minimal intellect from once again showing itself.
"Us & Them" must be the simplest program a limited brain can run.
And popular, as it seems to be a favorite around here... |
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And there you go...reacting.
Fruck you, loser!
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MidEngineManiac
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MAR 27, 10:23 AM
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