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ericjon262 FEB 12, 01:28 AM

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Originally posted by Danyel:

I should not of used the word copy ... but rather based on ..... RCR's ..... too bad you arent makin these I would of paid your price ....

Danyel



would you piss off already.

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Danyel FEB 12, 07:14 AM

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Originally posted by ericjon262:


would you piss off already.



Now there's is an intelligent comment ...shows your IQ
fieroguru FEB 12, 08:11 AM

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Originally posted by Danyel:
I should not of used the word copy ... but rather based on ..... RCR's ..... too bad you arent makin these I would of paid your price ....
Danyel



But you did use copy as a means to justify your intentions.... and this simply isn't a creditable statement.

RCR did post about a 13" (front only) kit for the 88. His used mustang rotor and camaro/corvette calipers, so the bracket design will be completely different (there general shape isn't even the same). My kit is for all 4 corners, doesn't alter the factory bias and comes with a working parking brake solution. But the most important fact here is that my kit was in development and posted 1 year before his... So according to you I am also a time traveler.

Mine:
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/087368.html

His:
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/090523.html

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ericjon262 FEB 12, 12:55 PM
Guru, you linked the same thread twice.

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Originally posted by Danyel:

Now there's is an intelligent comment ...shows your IQ




I may not be brilliant, but I'm not a liar.
Danyel FEB 12, 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by fieroguru:


But you did use copy as a means to justify your intentions.... and this simply isn't a creditable statement.

RCR did post about a 13" (front only) kit for the 88. His used mustang rotor and camaro/corvette calipers, so the bracket design will be completely different (there general shape isn't even the same). My kit is for all 4 corners, doesn't alter the factory bias and comes with a working parking brake solution. But the most important fact here is that my kit was in development and posted 1 year before his... So according to you I am also a time traveler.

Mine:
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/087368.html

His:
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/087368.html



After reading back all the comments you made recently and reading mine I do agree with you .... I guess my french impedes my explanation towards your accusations of copying your design .... but I'll try to be more ENGLISH .... you are NOT the first to build a kit of 13inch rotors using 88 fiero calipers... right? So I was trying to figure out why you were accusing me of copying your kit?? As you were not making them and since another member was making brackets I clearly asked him if he could make those 13inch with 88 caliper brackets.... then you said in your previous commments being pi$$ed at some people for trying to make those available... right ? So why is it wrong to make something available again by using your design if YOURS arent available ?? I PM'd you how may times asking to buy yours .... 5 or six times ..... but same answer GOT NONE and NOT MAKIN THEM.
I am not here to piss anybody off specially you as I am a super fan of your products... and I respect your designs .....

regards
Danyel
fieroguru FEB 12, 09:08 PM

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Originally posted by ericjon262:
Guru, you linked the same thread twice.



Thanks for noticing that, they are fixed now.



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Originally posted by Danyel:
After reading back all the comments you made recently and reading mine I do agree with you .... I guess my french impedes my explanation towards your accusations of copying your design .... but I'll try to be more ENGLISH .... you are NOT the first to build a kit of 13inch rotors using 88 fiero calipers... right? So I was trying to figure out why you were accusing me of copying your kit?? As you were not making them and since another member was making brackets I clearly asked him if he could make those 13inch with 88 caliper brackets.... then you said in your previous commments being pi$$ed at some people for trying to make those available... right ? So why is it wrong to make something available again by using your design if YOURS arent available ?? I PM'd you how may times asking to buy yours .... 5 or six times ..... but same answer GOT NONE and NOT MAKIN THEM.
I am not here to piss anybody off specially you as I am a super fan of your products... and I respect your designs .....

regards
Danyel



I guess I am going to have to rewind a little and walk you through it to refresh your memory…
You finally buy and 88... and start a thread about it in early Oct 2015 and list all the things you plan to do to it. Item 17 is “13 inch Big Brakes”
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/095993.html

The deal was likely in the works a few weeks prior, because you purchased a 12” rotor kit for an 88 from another brake vendor:
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...4/HTML/071747-2.html

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Originally posted by Danyel 09-19-2015 12:40 AM:
Brackets received.........work of art THX


Couple weeks later in the same thread you ask about 13” kits for the 88.

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Originally posted by Danyel 10-05-2015 11:21:
Will you be doing 13' for the 88 ??
regards
Danyel



Vendor responds that he will be pulling his formula in to start fitting the C5 rotors to develop a kit in the next few week.

On 10/14/2015 you send me a PM about my 13” brake kit:

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Originally posted by Danyel 10-14-2015 10:57 PM:
Do you still have a 13' kit lying around ... Paypal ready
THX
Danyel



I respond with:

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Originally posted by fieroguru 10-15-2015 09:14 AM
Fieroguru Performance is closed until late 2016 at the earliest.

Paul


This is the one and only PM I received from you about my 13” brake kit and I responded within 12 hrs.

On 10/24 you respond to someone else’s post in my 13” Brake Kit thread:
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...4/HTML/060122-6.html

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Originally posted by Danyel 10-24-2015 01:49 AM:
Also been wanting a kit but he PMed me saying he is closed till 2016


The same day I respond with:

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Originally posted by fieroguru 10-24-2015 03:57 PM:
I am not selling any of my products... way to busy with other stuff.


You go back to the other brake vendor’s thread:
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...4/HTML/071747-2.html

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Originally posted by Danyel 10-24-2015 06:58 PM:
Fieroguru use to make the 13 inch using the fiero calipers without any mods just brackets .... these had a dog bone shape maybe look up this old sale thread ... many are wanting these ... me included. I do have your 12 inch kit but behind 18's they still look small .... let me know .
regards
Danyel



Then within minutes are back in my 13” brake kit thread
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...4/HTML/060122-6.html
and post something… but who know what it was because it was edited on 11/11/2015 to remove the comment/question. You could say that I ignored whatever it was you posted in this thread and that would be fact!

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Originally posted by Danyel 10-24-2015 07:06 PM:
...



On 11/11 you post in another thread by the same brake vendor:
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/071924.html

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Originally posted by Danyel 11-11-2015 06:16 PM:
Fieroguru used to make these 13'' swap .... using the OEM 88 calipers




I finally respond to all this with:

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Originally posted by fieroguru 11-11-2015 08:13 PM:

And... I do not condone someone copying my kit or others lobbying for it to be copied...



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Originally posted by Danyel11-11-2015 08:21 PM :
Show's your professionalism and sense of devotion to this forum THANK YOU GURU !!!



And you followed it up a few hours later with:

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Originally posted by Danyel 11-11-2015 11:57 PM:
I'd would say check with ...
2004 subaru sti front rotors 12.84"
or
98 Cobra Mustang Front 13" rotor used a PBR 38x38mm calipers
and
99+ Cobra Mustang Fronts 13" rotor used a PBR 40x40mm calipers
I'd be leaning toward the cobra side ... with 13' a bit of trimming needs to be done to the 88 caliper for it to sit properly ... not a big modification..



By this time, you and your posts have made your intentions very clear…

The next day the other vendor posts in the same thread:
“With the help of a few forum members I think we have narrowed down the correct rotor. won't know for sure until I get my hands on one.”

2 months pass and you post:
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/095993.html

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Originally posted by Danyel 01-20-2016 10:38 PM :
Got some more parts for the "Vert" now waiting on some adapters for the 13 inch brakes .... more soon


That generates a question from another member…

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Where you getting the 13 Inch brake adapters from? With fiero guru still not up and running. Or are you doing a whole brake set up with different calipers too?




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Originally posted by Danyel 01-23-2016 10:46 AM :
Hello
I am presently working with a PFF member to get these done ..... Will post very soon in the mall the product....
thx
Danyel



I saw the post above and had an opportunity to respond to the same person in my Fieroguru Performance is closed thread about me selling the designs of my products.
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...1/HTML/094817-2.html
While I clearly state my dissatisfaction of the actions of several PFF members, I give them all the courtesy of not naming any of them.

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Originally posted by fieroguru 01-23-2016 02:04 PM :
I shut Fieroguru Performance down when I relocated, because I could not live up to my own standards of being a part-time vendor. Having had 5 different addresses in the last 15 months... I made the right decision, but now we own a house with a sufficient garage and I am working to get everything setup to get back to get back to messing with Fieros.

However, I am at a crossroads... Do I restart Fieroguru Performance? Or choose to keep it closed and keep all my R&D efforts restricted to my personal Fiero projects and close friends?

What made me an exceptional part-time vendor was my educational background and vast hands-on skill set, commitment to good designs, dedication to exceptional customer experience and communication, and quick delivery of purchased product. This took a huge amount of effort, time, and expense on my part, but the end result were some very creative, unique, and effective products and very happy and often repeat customers. In the 13 years I have been a member here, I would like to believe that I have established myself as a highly respected and creditable member for those who have followed my work and contributions or those who I have helped in some manner.

My 13" brake kit has been reproduced (without my permission) by a member of this forum with the help of one of my previous customers. Fortunately, this member hasn't publicly shared any key information to my brake kit when the questions have been asked (and I respect him for that!). However, there are also two other part-time vendors (one is a previous customer) that are actively working to figure out the needed information to replicate this kit as well. Additionally, a couple of members have posted their intent to replicate my Lateral Link Relocation kit as well.

I understand that them doing this isn't illegal, and they justify it by "providing a service to the community", but I do view these actions as very disrespectful... and they really piss me off!

So for a while I have questioned why should I continue or restart?
Why should I take the time/effort/$$$ to develop more unique products?
Why should I continue to be a part of this community?

So I am in a holding pattern of sorts, taking the wait and see approach, before I decide on which path to take.



About 6 posts down in the same thread:

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Originally posted by Danyel 01-23-2016 09:38 PM:

Guru
Still wanting to buy your 13inch hardware kit without rotors ....say when Paypal ready
regards
Danyel



However, again this message was edited the same day and unfortunately I didn’t copy it in its original form. In your original post you chose to self-identify as one of the vendors working to bring my 13” back to the market as a "service to the community". Apparently after you saw all comments below yours agreeing with my stance that the conduct of those copying my products was disrespectful, you decided to go back and edit the post to present yourself as an innocent by-stander who just wants my 13” kit.
This is especially comical when just 12 hrs earlier you were posting that you were working with a vendor on a 13” kit and it would be for sale in the mall soon… You probably forgot to edit that post!

The next day you post this to my LS4/F40 build thread… and I do intentionally ignore it, because I read both of your original posts the prior day and don't consider it to be genuine.

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Originally posted by Danyel 01-24-2016 06:33 PM:
I would second that ... I want the VERT riding on 13's this summer ... THX for any updates
regards
Danyel



Followed by this a couple of weeks later:

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Originally posted by Danyel 02-08-2016 11:31 PM :
@Guru any decision taken ... I'm really wanting 13 inch brakes .... and spring is at our doors ... thanks for any updates ..
regards
Danyel




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Originally posted by fieroguru 02-09-2016 02:37 PM:
If you need a 13" kit before spring, then buy the 13" Viper Rotor kit for the 88 Fiero from WCF... it is that simple. Last kit on the page:
http://www.westcoastfiero.com/brakes/13/index.php
It is a little more expensive, but both kits use 13" rotors of comparable weight as well as the stock 88 fiero calipers. So once installed, I doubt anyone could tell the difference from the drivers seat. Problem solved.




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Originally posted by Danyel 02-09-2016 10:02 PM:
Thanks for the link.... really wanted to buy yours .... I've decided to make my own ...
regards
Danyel



Based on all this back and forth for the last several months I ask:

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Originally posted by fieroguru 02-09-2016 10:26 PM:
Is it going to be a kit of your own design, or are you back to working on a copy of my kit?



Now if no one was aware of your 1/23 posts where you posted you were bringing a 13” kit to market and self-identified to bringing my kit back to the market, you could say that I outed your intentions to copy my kit with this question… but is was simply a question. You could have easily said no, you were going to R&D a new/unique 13” kit, or said that you were going to support one of the other vendors and buy their kit… but you originally responded with:

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Originally posted by Danyel 02-11-2016 12:32 PM:
I dont think there are 1000 ways to make a bracket to hold 88 calipers to a 13 inch disk .... copy nope .... but yes I will base my brackets on some of your pics.... will resale HELL NO too much liability issues .... and your brackets are a copy of someone elses design... by the way.

Hope that doesnt pi$$ ya off but I did find with the help of my brother (manager at NAPA) which disk you were using...

regards
Danyel



Then later the same day revise it to state:

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Originally posted by Danyel 02-11-2016 12:32 PM:
I dont think there are hundreds of ways to make a bracket that holds 88 calipers to a 13 inch Buick rotor ....Copy your kit NOPE .... but yes I will base my brackets on some of your pics.... will i do Resale... HELL NO too much liability issues .... and your brackets are a copy of someone elses design... by the way. I've been sending you many request to buy you kit for my VERT and you always said Got none and wont till maybe 2016 or later. .... buy from WCF nope either.

Hope that doesnt pi$$ ya off but I did find with the help of my brother (manager at NAPA) which disk you were using that way It will have the look I always wanted.... will I share my finding... NOPE ... dont have the need to....... that way I wont be accused of plagarising your kit...

regards
Danyel


It is interesting that on 1/23 you are telling others to watch the mall for a 13” brake kit coming soon and that you are bring my 13” kit back, but now you say you have no intentions of reselling…

That pretty much brings us back up to speed so let’s revisit your last post:

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Originally posted by Danyel:
After reading back all the comments you made recently and reading mine I do agree with you .... I guess my french impedes my explanation towards your accusations of copying your design .... but I'll try to be more ENGLISH .... you are NOT the first to build a kit of 13inch rotors using 88 fiero calipers... right? So I was trying to figure out why you were accusing me of copying your kit?? As you were not making them and since another member was making brackets I clearly asked him if he could make those 13inch with 88 caliper brackets.... then you said in your previous commments being pi$$ed at some people for trying to make those available... right ? So why is it wrong to make something available again by using your design if YOURS arent available ?? I PM'd you how may times asking to buy yours .... 5 or six times ..... but same answer GOT NONE and NOT MAKIN THEM.
I am not here to piss anybody off specially you as I am a super fan of your products... and I respect your designs .....
regards
Danyel



The issue here isn’t your French or English.

I didn’t accuse you of anything. You have been posting about your intentions for several months. You self-identified your intentions to bring a 13” kit to market as well as bring my kit back. Only after you stated you were going to build your own kit did I ask you a direct question about copying my kit… your answer again made your intentions very clear.

There are a few versions of brake kits that use 88 Fiero calipers… nothing special about that, and quite frankly that is the easiest and lowest cost way you build a brake kit that retains stock brake bias and a functioning parking brake. But as proven in your own quoted and linked post… you have been after my unique rotor application and either encouraging others to use that rotor to develop a kit or you were going to do it yourself.

If my products are not available, buy someone else’s – that is how you “punish” vendors for not supplying parts… there are several readily available options from others… and you will likely end up spending more to replicate my kit… so what is driving the obsession to use mine?

As shown above you have PM’d me 1 time about buying them, not 5 or 6. You had other posts about them, some directed at me, others were not.

I never said I didn’t have any, I said I wasn’t selling them. For the last year I have had about 27 hardware kits in stock for this brake kit (along with inventory for all my other products). Most of this time they were buried in a storage unit, but for the last 2 months they have been sitting on a shelf.

I have not taken the time to establish my LLC in the State of IL, get a new tax ID number, or get my business fully operational again… right now I have other more important priorities. And as I posted in the Fieroguru Performance is closed thread… I am still on the fence as to what I will do in the future… Your actions are certainly not encouraging me to start selling my parts any time soon… if ever.

Now go do whatever you feel is appropriate and leave my LS4/F40 thread alone.
Danyel FEB 12, 10:55 PM
Wow must of taken you alot of time to track down COPY PASTE this whole thing .... BRAVO ... aint worth my time trying to explain my back and forth direction for wanting desperately a kit. for I wasnt happy with the look of the 12inch kit I bought.. I'll just go ahead and build my own brackets (will post pics in my thread) so I can bolt my 88 calipers to my BUICK rear rotors and ENJOY MY VERT.... ... as for your brackets that have been sitting on a shelf ...many members want a set ... GLWYS ...... and get out of your thread? F'N yess ... no problemo ....

regards
Danyel
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risktk1r FEB 13, 10:03 AM
I wanted to ask what you thought would be easier.
I am looking at buying a Fiero with a HIPO engine, 5 speed , brake upgrade etc. Every ( and I mean every, body panel has been removed to facilitate a restoration.
Interior out also.( Roof panel also) All mechanics are in. It comes with all the body parts, which would need to be assembled, then painted.

Then I was thinking I might be able to buy a very nice stock 87 -88 gt for a few grand ( under 3 it seems, and just swap out the engine, brakes etc.
What Im asking ie, in your opinion, which would be easier and more cost effective, assuming the body id excellent?
Thanks, for your time.
Mike Clancy ( customer)
fieroguru FEB 13, 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by Danyel:

Wow must of taken you alot of time to track down COPY PASTE this whole thing .... BRAVO ... aint worth my time trying to explain my back and forth direction for wanting desperately a kit. for I wasnt happy with the look of the 12inch kit I bought.. I'll just go ahead and build my own brackets (will post pics in my thread) so I can bolt my 88 calipers to my BUICK rear rotors and ENJOY MY VERT.... ... as for your brackets that have been sitting on a shelf ...many members want a set ... GLWYS ...... and get out of your thread? F'N yess ... no problemo ....

regards
Danyel



Some things are simply worth putting in the time needed, but that isn't something I expect you to understand...

Like the willingness to spend countless hours checking rotor key dimensions vs. the workable dimension range (I spent hours determining) to find this rotor, all the while not knowing if this seemingly endless search would be fruitful. Most would have given up after 1, 5, 10, 15, 20 hrs, but I stuck with it even after I had a few workable options so see if there was anything better. I will likely do it again in the coming years as new rotor options are created every single year!

Slapping on a rotor from another application and making whatever mods to the lower control arm, upper control arm, shock mount or adding spacers for the needed clearance... simply isn't the same thing...

You knew the rotor existing, knew the OD, and even had a picture of it... that is a 20 minute search... and you are taking pride in accomplishing feat. This is just one of the fundamental differences between us...

fieroguru FEB 13, 12:06 PM

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Originally posted by risktk1r:

I wanted to ask what you thought would be easier.
I am looking at buying a Fiero with a HIPO engine, 5 speed , brake upgrade etc. Every ( and I mean every, body panel has been removed to facilitate a restoration.
Interior out also.( Roof panel also) All mechanics are in. It comes with all the body parts, which would need to be assembled, then painted.

Then I was thinking I might be able to buy a very nice stock 87 -88 gt for a few grand ( under 3 it seems, and just swap out the engine, brakes etc.
What Im asking ie, in your opinion, which would be easier and more cost effective, assuming the body id excellent?
Thanks, for your time.
Mike Clancy ( customer)



That is a very tough question and there isn't really enough information to properly answer, and the answer is really different for each person.

The best way is to detail out all the items you want on your car in its final state and assign the cost for each and factor in shipping and labor if needed. Then start looking for cars that have portions of what you want and compare them with the rest of the items on your list and look for the lowest total cost option. Many times it is better to pay more for a lower mile car with good paint and interior than buy a cheaper car that needs work in these areas. Painting is expensive, rust repair is expensive and most DIY's don't do it properly, and restoring or upgrading the interior can be expensive as well. However, if you wont be using the stock body panels, interior or will be cutting/modifying the chassis anyway... then you might not want to pay more for items you wont use. In that case, find a car with a rust free chassis -

The one caveat to buying a work in progress is the quality of the work and if you will need to redo it.
An example... lots of people rave about POR15 for the chassis and engine bay... but I have worked on several Fieros where that was done and it pealed off in large sheets. POR15 only properly sticks to rusted metal... So if it wasn't a rust bucket to start with and they didn't take the time to sand the entire coated surface down to bare metal, then etch and intentionally rust it (POR sells products to do this), then it will not stick.

2nd example... buying an engine swapped car is a crap shoot. It all depends on the preplanning of the swap, quality of the parts used, skill/knowledge of the installer, and attention to detail. I reworked a swap once that had probably 20K in name brand performance parts, but they used standard bolts to hold the mounts to the Getrag transmission case. installed the wrong header gaskets (round vs square) and had primary leaks on 6 of the 8 primaries, but most importantly the car had 500 miles on the engine and when I pulled the oil pan the pickup came with it... The previous owner had spent a small fortune building doing this swap himself, but didn't have the skill to do it right and make it reliable. So if the swap doesn't have thousands of miles on it (5K +) go into the deal checking everything... engine swapped fieros are a blast to drive, so most people enjoy driving them, so the fully sorted and reliable swaps have more than a few hundred miles on them.

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