Problems with clutch master or system holding pressure (Page 3/4)
handymanpat NOV 03, 07:50 PM
It was raining out all day and tonight but I am very excited to just see what happens when I try that method instead of pressing the pedal and popping the bleeder.
Not only will I try that method but now I will have the new Rodney slave and the one man (speed) bleeders for use on my cars in the future.
(Did I mention I have five fieros)
Hahahaha
At some point I will need all these parts and knowledge!

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Raydar NOV 04, 03:32 PM
For some reason, the gravity bleed has always worked better for me when I kept the pedal depressed (I think I used a broomstick, but most anything can work) for the entire time.
The fluid seems to flow faster, while still allowing you enough time to keep the reservoir full. (Or I might be imagining it.)

If you end up having to replace the master, I also recommend Rodney's. But be aware... every one that I have installed - or am otherwise familiar with - required the (adjustable) banjo to be extended a bit. Worked perfectly.
(But yeah... if you're getting air out of the slave, right after a drive, it sounds like the slave is leaking.)

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handymanpat NOV 04, 04:51 PM
I'm very excited to try the methods of bleeding the system on the car that everyone is recommending.
Tonight we should be able to attempt the pedal method and if that does not work next we will ramp up the car on my "big ramps"
If it works I will just hang onto the Rodney slave since I have another car I will use that on when I finally finish the conversion I have been doing for a couple years.
Thanks Pat

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handymanpat NOV 04, 08:35 PM
Tonight we went out and did the pedal bleed where we would open the bleeder, press down slowly on the pedal and then shut off the bleeder.
We would release the pedal quickly and then just repeat.
We did this over and over and went through a pint sized bottle of fluid.
I was getting air or sputters with almost every pump of the brake pedal.
At some point it seemed like we were getting a solid amount of fluid without air popping out.
At this point I got in the car and we t for a very short trip down the street with the same result.
Pressure at first then diminished pedal and then when I got back it pressured up again, (just like before)
It must be air getting sucked into the slave but tomorrow I will try to bleed it again but this time not letting up the pedal so quickly.
Thanks Pat

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pat moody

Patrick NOV 04, 09:03 PM

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Originally posted by Brian D:

The process should be open bleeder, depress pedal, close bleeder, let clutch pedal free return...



I do it on my own without a speed-bleeder. (I don't trust air not getting sucked past the bleeder threads.) I use a several foot long 2x4 (or something similar) to reach the clutch pedal while I'm standing by the driver side rear tire with a wrench on the bleeder... using the method quoted above. I'll give the clutch pedal a few strokes, and then I finish up using the gravity method. (Front of car higher than back, driver's side higher than passenger side.)
handymanpat NOV 04, 10:08 PM
I like the gravity bleeder idea.
I originally did that when I put in that line and master new.
At that time it was all disconnected and hanging down so gravity bleeding was very easy to do!
I will get the car elevated and give it another shot this weekend and check back in!
Also, I got the speed bleeders today but the diameter is to small for the slave and will only fit my brake calipers (which is fine with me) I need to mess with the brakes on a couple of my cars
Thanks Pat

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Brian D NOV 05, 06:09 AM
If it helps, here is the one I use from Advance Auto. I've never had much luck with the rubber elbows that come with the kit. They always seem to leak air. I just push the end of the tube over the bleeder. Its tight, but it will go.



Good luck!
handymanpat NOV 23, 10:58 PM
UPDATE!

I got the new Rodney slave.
I removed the other slave and a cap of some sort fell off the "old" one.
It looks like it should be seated behind the snap ring because it does not fit past it.
I am thinking that the little cap piece was supposed to be behind the snap ring?. I still cannot understand how the push rod was even able to shove the arm to the clutch??
I put on the new Rodney slave and bled it using the techniques from here and it is working fine.
The slave that I removed was only a year old and had been working.
Also, I'm still trying to figure where the cap piece came from. It looks much older than the 1 year old slave (maybe it was stuck on the little clutch arm?)
I probably bought and installed the Rodney slave and did not need to but who would think this kind of crazy things would happen !
Here are some photos.
I just wanted to say thank you to everyone for the help and the problem is solved as far as having a working slave.
Thanks again.
Pat[img]https://images.fiero.nl/userimages/handymanpat/IMG_20211120_141715107_HDR.jp g[/img]

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Patrick NOV 24, 04:55 AM

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Originally posted by handymanpat:

I removed the other slave and a cap of some sort fell off the "old" one.



Pat, that "cap" doesn't belong there. (I knew something wasn't right.) I suspect that whomever installed the last slave jammed that object in there to try and get more throw from the slave. Obviously a poor idea.

By the way, to allow your images to present properly (including the one that currently doesn't appear at all), press your Enter key twice after each image upload. I'll delete your images below after you've corrected your post, but click the EDIT tab on my post to see what I've done.







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handymanpat NOV 24, 08:28 AM
Thank you for the help with the photos and advice.
I was just happy to be able to be able to post photos, for the longest time I could not do it so I guess maybe the way to upload photos has changed since I first got on here?
I bet that cap thing was stuck/rusted onto the little arm and when I put the new master on last year I did not realize it was not part of that arm!
I am sure the slave was sucking air in because I kept having air spit out after those short runs around the block.
Things are good now and it's very exciting to have one good running fiero I can drive with confidence!
Now to get the others into that same condition. Hahahahahaha