Bringing a 88 Fiero Back to Life with a LFX Swap (Page 7/15)
MikesFirstFiero DEC 09, 01:37 AM
Since my last post I've driven the car moderately since the misfire problem under higher power has not been solved. Until Today. Thinking it was a fuel pressure problem I hooked up my OBD2 reader and set it for live data. The fuel pressure most of the time was about 44 PSI and occasionally it hit 56PSI. This told me that the fuel pump was not the problem. With other things to do I mostly ignored it. I've mostly ignored my honey-do list for six months and have quite a backlog. I needed to drive over to Spokane a couple of weeks ago and took the freeway. At highway speeds the same problem came up only at a much lower throttle position. Passing other cars was just not possible without misfire. Could it be exhaust flow restriction? I thought that was the only thing that had changed since I cleaned up the wiring and finished the exhaust in October (unless I made a wiring error).

This week it began to snow and stick so I decided this would be a good time to change the oil & filter, swap wheels, tires, brake rotors and install the inner wheel tubs. So while I was under there I chopped off the resonator tips and finished the other work. One thing I needed to fabricate were the splash guards covering the sides of the engine compartment below the wheel tubs. Last time I made them from a thick gasket-type material. It really didn't hold up very well. Debbie & I drive (her Venza) over to Spokane to get some tonneau cover snaps from Tandy Leather. And the light went on. Why not make them from leather? So $50 later I had some 8 ounce per square foot leather about 1/8" thick, some leather dye and some mink oil. I used the old shield as a pattern, cut the leather to shape, applied the dye and then the mink oil as waterproofing to both sides. Some new plastic push-in fasteners and they fit nicely. Since they are exposed I'll re-treat them with mink oil in the spring.

Using the old shield as a pattern. Then cut out with a sharp utility knife.


And the resulting leather part


Why did I swap brake rotors? My snow tires are on original 14" rims and those won't work with Corvette rotors. So back to the originals. Today has been mostly clear and warmer so the snow melted and the roads were dry - and full throttle acceleration was back to normal with the exhaust tips removed. Those exhaust tips had a tail pipe diameter of 2.25" but the resonator reduced that to about 1.5", cutting the cross section by 50% and giving more back pressure.

The inside diameter of the tips is much smaller than the outside causing the misfire.


So if you are considering an LFX swap then keep the exhaust free flowing. Now I'm going to need to find a replacement that fits and keeps the same inner diameter. Both Vibrant and Borla look like they have resonator parts that could fit. Solving this has made me much happier since with an unsolved misfire issue I was concerned about driving in the winter. Also with the smaller diameter snow tires the motor hits the redline quicker and then sits at 7,100 RPM making very little power. Need to upshift when it hits 6700-6800. The ECU does not want you to kill your engine.

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Will DEC 09, 09:20 AM
Great to hear that was the whole problem!
Weird that it would cause those symptoms, though.

With dual variable cam phasing in the engine, I bet you can tune the cam timing to give you much better power at 7100
MikesFirstFiero DEC 09, 11:25 AM
I was surprised that back pressure was the cause but since they optimize the valve timing I'm guessing it caused some of the high temperature gas to not exit the cylinder so the next intake charge ignited prematurely. From what I read there are lots of tuning items that could be done to bump the power up significntly.

But for now I need to figure out how it behaves in stock configuration. And that will wait until Spring with ice on the roads. And the stock power bump is sooo much better than I imagined, I'm happy. The old 2.8 was a troublesome slug and the 3-speed auto was awful; they made the car unpleasant to drive, now I smile a lot. I used to think my 1990 T-Bird SC was quick until I dropped the LFX in this Fiero.

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MikesFirstFiero JAN 10, 08:40 PM
Just a quick update. I was planning on making the Impala Cruise Control work but after investigation that may prove difficult. According to the Mitchell 1 online manuals the CC needs the parking brake controller and the ABS controller to function which I don't plan to install. I don't know if there is a work-around for the Body Control Unit which talks to them and decides it is okay to engage the cruise function. Since it is CAN bus I might try to figure out what data those two modules send and program a small computer to respond with the correct signals.

The Borla exhaust tips with resonators are in and reduce the idling & low power sounds quite a bit (maybe 6-8db). I'm happy with that. They are big with a 4" outer diameter but they were the only thing I could find that fit and reduced the noise at cruise. They have little muffling effect above 1/4 throttle which is cool so it snarls nicely. Still looking at the DTCs to eliminate high rpm misfire. Got a deal on AC Delco OEM iridium plugs for $3.50 each and swapped them, made no difference, old plugs worth keeping. I think the rebate is good until end of Jan on all AC Delco plugs, check RockAuto.com. I may buy a new coil pack and try it one cylinder at a time. I'm also going to bypass the fuel pump controller and tie the pump to the Hot-in-Run power feed to eliminate that as a cause too. In the end I may need to take the car to someone who understands the LFX and can provide a solution.

Those tips are 4" OD and 13" long and just fit


It's been snowing and the car is covered with dirt. But at least I can keep it in the heated garage and not worry about removing the snow.


Also mounted the key fob detector ring where the old OBD plug was. Looks good and works to hold the fob securely in position. If the correct fob is installed it will start otherwise it won't. The steering column key now does nothing and does not need to be used.

The open hole where the lighter went will be used for a USB connector to the Sony receiver. The red switch is to turn my Escort 360 radar detector on and off.

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Skybax JAN 10, 08:53 PM
Nice work!
Dennis LaGrua JAN 11, 10:57 AM
This is one of the most amazing swaps that we have ever seen. There are steps that could be taken to make this engine run stand alone with an aftermarket ECU and a trans controller but got to give you credit for swapping the entire system into your Fiero. I'd be interested in what the 1/4 mile E.T. would be.

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" THE BLACK PARALYZER" -87GT 3800SC Series III engine, custom ZZP /Frozen Boost Intercooler setup, 3.4" Pulley, Northstar TB, LS1 MAF, 3" Spintech/Hedman Exhaust, P-log Manifold, Autolite 104's, MSD wires, Custom CAI, 4T65eHD w. custom axles, Champion Radiator, S10 Brake Booster, HP Tuners VCM Suite.
"THE COLUSSUS"
87GT - ALL OUT 3.4L Turbocharged engine, Garrett Hybrid Turbo, MSD ign., modified TH125H
" ON THE LOOSE WITHOUT THE JUICE "

MikesFirstFiero JAN 11, 03:54 PM
Thanks Dennis, I had high hopes of getting most of the new tech features to work but that will require quite a bit more work. I'd like ABS but finding front hubs that would fit and has sensors would require research. I will probably get the keyless entry to work later. I agree that the standalone method would be simpler to do, cost more $$, be more adjustable and probably take a fair amount of time to sort out (or pay someone to figure it all out).

I can't wait to give some real numbers for 0-60 and the quarter mile. I've ordered three new coil packs to try to solve the misfire, going try each side and narrow down from there. At $22 each it's a cheap gamble that is easy to do. Plus up here the roads are still icy and wet. Drove our Venza from CDA to Missoula Mt yesterday and the mountain passes were like skating rinks. No performance data until March at the earliest. I'm going to get the hood vent installed for now since my garage is warm. Archie said over 90 MPH the headlight covers would start to rise without it. That didn't sound good to me plus it should help the cooling in the summer too.
Dennis LaGrua JAN 11, 08:54 PM

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Originally posted by MikesFirstFiero:

I've ordered three new coil packs to try to solve the misfire, going try each side and narrow down from there. At $22 each it's a cheap gamble that is easy to do.



I just fixed a bad miss on my 3800SC and fixed the exact same problem on another car. The mounting plate for the ignition module developed some corrosion where the module mounted. Took the coil pack apart, cleaned the mounting plate w a fine wire brush, wiped with solvent, applied a surface coating of conductive thermal grease, put everything back together and ran a new ground wire to the plate. Problem fixed on both cars without replacing any parts. It was apparently a bad ground to the module.
Also watch out for those budget coil packs on ebay. Check both the primary and secondary resistances to find if they are equal to OEM and weigh them. We've seen coil packs that weigh 25% less than OEM that run like crap. Lower weight = less copper windings.

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" THE BLACK PARALYZER" -87GT 3800SC Series III engine, custom ZZP /Frozen Boost Intercooler setup, 3.4" Pulley, Northstar TB, LS1 MAF, 3" Spintech/Hedman Exhaust, P-log Manifold, Autolite 104's, MSD wires, Custom CAI, 4T65eHD w. custom axles, Champion Radiator, S10 Brake Booster, HP Tuners VCM Suite.
"THE COLUSSUS"
87GT - ALL OUT 3.4L Turbocharged engine, Garrett Hybrid Turbo, MSD ign., modified TH125H
" ON THE LOOSE WITHOUT THE JUICE "

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MikesFirstFiero JAN 11, 09:08 PM
This engine has a coil per plug and I buy most parts from Rock Auto. I don't trust most eBay stuff unless it is a known brand. If you engine has a distributor mounted module then moving it to an external heat sink could make it last longer. The one on the 2.8 fails often since the disty shaft conducts heat from the block and gets up to 150F plus the module itself generates heat. When I remote mounted mine the module temp on a good heat sink dropped to about 115-120F. If you were to buy an off brand there is no guarantee that the semiconductors are really rated for use under high temperatures.
Will JAN 11, 09:32 PM
Dennis was talking about grounding, not semiconductor failure.

The coil packs NEED to be grounded, or else they just won't run right.