AGAIN FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME, Obama is no savior, he wasn't destroying the country from the inside, and I didn't vote for him. He was no worse than GWB really. Not much better either, but eh. Trump has empowered hatred in this country, and that hatred has been tearing this forum down for years. So yeah, I got fed up and I cam in here to call it out and hopefully help get this forum back on the right track instead of running members off with all the hatred people like you spit constantly over here in T/OT, and then end up dragging over into Tech and General too.
It's 27 pages, and there are few in there related to Trump, but aren't directly from him, but overall the vast majority of his statements are flat out false. He gets his news from far right conspiracy theorists, one of which is his right hand man.
So yeah, oh please is right.
Unfortunately it doesn't matter what evidence or credible sources you use to some of our most ardent right wingers. Trump and his team have effectively given the sheep what they want, an ability to call whatever news that is counter to their own "Fake". So Politifact will be considered by the good little followers as fake or biased for the left wing, along with anything else that doesn't regurgitate the Trump mandate.
I admit I consider much of the Alt-Right sources BS but I will often read it and see how easy it is to poke holes in the reporting or how they embellish on a kernel of truth. I also like to see how they attempt to spin the news. I do the same with most of the sources I read however it's much much harder to critique the more reputable sources. I guess to some people it doesn't matter, they just want to hear whatever agrees with their views and believe it no matter how crazy. I mean people used to buy the National Enquirer even though deep down they knew it was mostly BS but something in them wants to believe.
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AGAIN FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME, Obama is no savior, he wasn't destroying the country from the inside, and I didn't vote for him. He was no worse than GWB really. Not much better either, but eh. Trump has empowered hatred in this country, and that hatred has been tearing this forum down for years. So yeah, I got fed up and I cam in here to call it out and hopefully help get this forum back on the right track instead of running members off with all the hatred people like you spit constantly over here in T/OT, and then end up dragging over into Tech and General too.
It's 27 pages, and there are few in there related to Trump, but aren't directly from him, but overall the vast majority of his statements are flat out false. He gets his news from far right conspiracy theorists, one of which is his right hand man.
So yeah, oh please is right.
It's what they do: The intel community is lying. It's fake news. It's the democrats. It's a chinese hoax.
It's literally anything/everything else other than themselves.
Edit: BTW, how have you been? Long time!
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Dumb azzes work best with multiple choice questions. So heres a real simple one for you with only A and B answer .... pick one.
A/ Trumps Campaign was 'tapped'.
B/ Trumps Campaign was NOT 'tapped'.
Think carefully before picking ONE.
By the way the President CAN ask for a wiretap. All it has to do is be in regards to a national security issue. End of story. Look it up. The President cant ask for one IF ITS A CRIMINAL CASE. The warrant was requested to get info on Trumps campaigns ties to Russia...a national security issue BECAUSE it went to FISA court.
And anyone is welcome to post ANY truth that Obuma said in 8 years... I cant think of any myself, but then I hated the guy since day one. The only thing he done well was make speeches that sounded truthful to get his sheep lined up.
I still havent heard any liberal tell me why all these liberal protestors show up at protests looking like ISIS fighters in black ski masks and scarves...Anyone? Scared? Ashamed ? only looking to cause trouble ? What ?
And anyone is welcome to post ANY truth that Obuma said in 8 years... I cant think of any myself, but then I hated the guy since day one. The only thing he done well was make speeches that sounded truthful to get his sheep lined up.
I still havent heard any liberal tell me why all these liberal protestors show up at protests looking like ISIS fighters in black ski masks and scarves...Anyone? Scared? Ashamed ? only looking to cause trouble ? What ?
Obama has said many truths. Most of the things he has said, were true. But you obviously wouldn't be convinced by any facts. Everything he does is a lie, because you've bought into the propaganda. He lied plenty, but mostly did not. http://www.politifact.com/p...lities/barack-obama/
There was another thread on protests. Take it there. And maybe people show up with masks and scarves so they don't get IDed by people like you, and then harassed, and attacked by conservative conspiracy crackpots. You know, people like you who think they have no rights, and should be shot.
Now why do the Trumpers show up like this? Are they scared? Ashamed? Only looking to cause trouble? What? Nobody has an answer?
Obama has said many truths. Most of the things he has said, were true. But you obviously wouldn't be convinced by any facts. Everything he does is a lie, because you've bought into the propaganda. He lied plenty, but mostly did not. http://www.politifact.com/p...lities/barack-obama/
There was another thread on protests. Take it there. And maybe people show up with masks and scarves so they don't get IDed by people like you, and then harassed, and attacked by conservative conspiracy crackpots. You know, people like you who think they have no rights, and should be shot.
Now why do the Trumpers show up like this? Are they scared? Ashamed? Only looking to cause trouble? What? Nobody has an answer?
I dont see any Trump supporters wearing black masks and scarves, and burning cars and trash in the streets. And yes, come at me threatening in a ski mask and you just may be shot. If Trumps been telling any lies, Obuma still has him beat by 7 years of them. It would be impossible for anyone to ever catch up. Tell me some of these Obuma Truths you speak of, still havent got one.
Havent seen anyone defending Obuma tapping Trump campaign phones yet...
I also seen CNN reported Donald Trump uses Russian dressing too.
You realize that there are laws that prevent the president from doing such a thing right? That where created after Watergate. Oh silly me of course you didn't..
The most Obama could do is send in a request to a special court to have a phone tapped, but it has to go through a lot of paper work, and be approved by said court. So there would be records if Obama made such a request. Which there are none.
Now did the CIA or FBI request to have trump tower tapped due to these russian link investigations during the campaign? Its entirely possible. Likely looking at his staff, and not necessarily Trump himself. That has nothing to do with Obama..
What am i talking about, your not interested in facts, or you would have researched it yourself. Nah, the Tumpster tweeted it, therefore its 100% true..
No roger, I'm not playing your game. You are not interested in facts, and don't read the links I provide.
And your only "evidence" is a bunch of hyper-partisan right wing web sites full of Obama hate, which ignorantly take random values and try to spin them.
The truths of Obama. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health care, you can keep your health care. Heath care premiums will decrease by $2500/year, Muslims are a religion of peace as they slaughter non believers and Christians.
I am a big fan of communication. I enjoy listening as well as solving problems with others. I am always looking forward to working out issues together.
"You realize that there are laws that prevent the president from doing such a thing right?"
no, wrong. The White House CAN ask for a wiretap in the interest of National Security. Dont mean they can get them. They didnt the first time in this case. All they had to do was make it all about the Russian contacts to make it a national security issue and they got it.
And so Dopey, you cant pick one or the other A or B huh ? That was as simple as they come. A first grader could pick one. You just cant stick your neck out without knowing whats coming can you ? Your an idiot. I read your links, there as much propaganda as you accuse me of.
....and you still are afraid to answer why your people have to wear masks in public...
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No roger, I am not playing your games. Your continued belligerence will just result in me continuing to click report on your posts.
I answered you. You're inability to read and comprehend the English language properly, is not my problem. Your hatred and belligerence have contributed to the decay of this forum.
No roger, I am not playing your games. Your continued belligerence will just result in me continuing to click report on your posts.
I answered you. You're inability to read and comprehend the English language properly, is not my problem. Your hatred and belligerence have contributed to the decay of this forum.
Lefties are claiming no wiretapping happened.... Meanwhile Lefties newspapers had wiretapping as the HEADLINE before Trump was President.
Gee That's unfortunate.
Got those links yet to Trump lying every day for the past two years Dobey? You need to put up your evidence, by the same rules you are making everyone else play, or stop your lying.
This (I believe) is the report from the New York Times that "Fats" has just put on display here.
"Intercepted Russian Communications Part of Inquiry Into Trump Associates" Michael S. Schmidt, Matthew Rosenberg, Adam Goldman and Matt Apuzzo for the New York Times; January 19, 2017. https://www.nytimes.com/201...estigation.html?_r=0
I think almost anyone here will be able to access the New York Times report using this page link.
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Lefties are claiming no wiretapping happened.... Meanwhile Lefties newspapers had wiretapping as the HEADLINE before Trump was President.
Gee That's unfortunate.
Got those links yet to Trump lying every day for the past two years Dobey? You need to put up your evidence, by the same rules you are making everyone else play, or stop your lying.
Brad
So now it isn't Fake news? Hard to keep straight when you guys choose to believe reports from the NYT. Why not try this.
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Fact-Checking Trump’s Defenses of His Wiretapping Claim
“This is a story line that has been reported pretty widely by quite a few outlets. The wiretapping has been discussed in The New York Times, BBC, Fox News.”
This is misleading. The White House forwarded The New York Times several articles about investigations into the Trump campaign’s ties to Russia that include the word “wiretapping.” None contend, as Mr. Trump did, that Mr. Obama personally ordered the surveillance of Trump Tower phones. The BBC reported, based on anonymous sources, that intelligence agencies obtained a FISA warrant in October 2016 to intercept electronic records from two Russian banks. HeatStreet, a libertarian-leaning blog, also cited unnamed sources claiming that the warrant covered a computer server at Trump Tower. Neither claimed Mr. Obama was responsible.
The White House also cited two Times articles, one about the National Security Agency’s expanded authority to share its data and the other on the continuing investigation into links between Mr. Trump’s associates and Russian officials. Neither article claimed that Mr. Trump or his associates were the target of wiretapping.
Maybe there IS more to it but it sounds like maybe the intelligence community were looking into the Russian ties to the Trump campaign. You know those 16 or 17 intelligence organizations that reported that the Russians (an enemy state) did indeed try to influence the election for Trump.
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Flynn was working in Trump Tower when his conversation was recorded.
And? He called a guy whose line was tapped. Doesn't matter where he was.
The Russian was tapped. Flynn could have called from Richard Branson's private jet, and the call still would have been recorded. Has nothing to do with Obama or Trump.
Trump almost certainly also had his own personal tap on any line in Trump Tower. He would have known about Flynn the whole time. He is making a very strong, and unsubstantiated claim, against Obama; because it's something he did and would try to do in his capacity as President.
Originally posted by dobey: .. Trump almost certainly also had his own personal tap on any line in Trump Tower.
Is this fact? Or suspicion?
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He is making a very strong, and unsubstantiated claim, against Obama; because it's something he did and would try to do in his capacity as President.
I am waiting for President Trump's proof on this one. A claim like this should be vetted by a sitting President before tweeting it to the world.
Now, as far as President Trump already doing this such as you claim... Is there something that you know more than us?
I can see our leader doing this like dobey wrote. Often a cheater will call out the other in false accusation.
The man really needs to stop tweeting his every thought. It is confusing to have the leader of the free world stooping down to Kardasian levels of stupidity. I fully expected some gaffs, but his phone should be swatted from his hands. Not like they are big enough to really hold on tightly.
Dopey, you better stop going to those safe spaces, they are bugged.. They are watching you,, They are following you... HAHHAHAHHAHHAHA HAHAAHHAAAAHHHAAAAA I'LL GET YOU GADGET........................................................................................................................
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Originally posted by Tony Kania: Now, as far as President Trump already doing this such as you claim... Is there something that you know more than us?
I can see our leader doing this like dobey wrote. Often a cheater will call out the other in false accusation.
The man really needs to stop tweeting his every thought. It is confusing to have the leader of the free world stooping down to Kardasian levels of stupidity. I fully expected some gaffs, but his phone should be swatted from his hands. Not like they are big enough to really hold on tightly.
Trump has a pretty good history of projecting what he's done, and complaining about others doing it. He's also done pretty well at completely avoiding taking any responsibility for any of his actions, in the past; often through settlements to keep trials out of court.
So now it isn't Fake news? Hard to keep straight when you guys choose to believe reports from the NYT. Why not try this.
Maybe there IS more to it but it sounds like maybe the intelligence community were looking into the Russian ties to the Trump campaign. You know those 16 or 17 intelligence organizations that reported that the Russians (an enemy state) did indeed try to influence the election for Trump.
So are we agreeing that it's fake then? You Lefties sure seemed fine with it when their stories fit your agenda.
The photo posted was to show that the Left was talking about wiretapping before President Trump said "wiretapping". Now the left is claiming the wiretapping never happened... They were saying it happened before. I'm not arguing if it happened (It did), I'm arguing that you Lefties are two faced liars, and you guys have so many lies out there that at some point your chickens will come home to roost.
Alright. NYT's can no longer be used as evidence of anything. I'm fine with that.
Now I'll find a CNN story so we can do away with them too.
Brad
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From The Guardian:" The Guardian has learned that the FBI has applied for a warrant from the foreign intelligence Surveillance Court over the summer in order to monitor four members of the Trump team suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials."
Keep in mind, this is during a Presidential election. The Sitting President, the Incumbent party is now investigating the Presidential Candidate of the Republican party and his campaign.
"The FISA Court turned down the application after asking FBI counterintelligence officer to narrow its focus. According to one report the FBI was finally granted a warrant in October. "
"The FISA Court turned down the application after asking FBI counterintelligence officer to narrow its focus. According to one report the FBI was finally granted a warrant in October. "
I'll bet that the "narrowed focus", (scope) demanded by the court, was likely achieved on the basis of a perjured affidavit.
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Oh no, one must not speak ill of the Orange God of the right. We must give in to their authoritarian ideals that everything Trump says is true, because he is the God of the Tea Party, and is infallible, having never taken responsibility of anything he has ever done; only for the successes of others he wishes to claim as his own doing.
Oh no, one must not speak ill of the Orange God of the right. We must give in to their authoritarian ideals that everything Trump says is true, because he is the God of the Tea Party, and is infallible, having never taken responsibility of anything he has ever done; only for the successes of others he wishes to claim as his own doing.
You make some pretty harsh accusations against a sitting President. I think you need to either start posting some proof, or STFU little man.
You make some pretty harsh accusations against a sitting President. I think you need to either start posting some proof, or STFU little man.
Brad
How about you do the STFU instead, you small minded ignorant fool.
The sitting president is under investigation already. There is plenty of evidence. Your unwillingness to accept any of it as even a possibility is your own problem, not mine. Pull your head out of your bung and learn to have a respectful conversation, instead of being a useless little prat, and you might learn something.
You make some pretty harsh accusations against a former President. Where the hell is your proof?
