But then again it is that section that is the most pronounced as it purporsely goads people from here to troll there.
Fallacious logic. If people from here get goaded into trolling there, THEY WENT TO RFT FIRST. They have to read what's there in order to be goaded into trolling. IOW, those are people who's intent is to troll ANYWAY, like Bear when he went over there to give out a piece ov his mind (which is a bad idea... he needs to keep all he can). Also, like Bear said, If you don't like what's being said there, don't read it. In this case, that's particularly easy because it's not on this forum.
The grammar police aren't after you... just sanity checkers who make sure you're not turning into too much of a spin doctor. What you typed couldn't be spun the way you were trying to spin it.
I PwnZ payj ait.
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Why is it so important to you RFT members that we accept and/or approve of your forum? You say repeatedly "it's only the internet" and we can read on RFT how you want to be independant from PFF (it's on your welcome page) and how your forum is so much better than here.
Are you looking for some kind of validation? Do you honestly expect anyone from here to give you kudos for a forum that has a section practically devoted to insulting and slamming this forum?
If I'm looking for technical info, why would I choose RFT over here? I've received plenty of good technical advice on this forum, and I don't have to wade through the crap or surf the forum with blinders on to get to it.
What do you RFT supporters want? Seriously. Are you looking for acceptance? Justification? Is this all about trying to get us to like you? What?
What do you RFT supporters want? Seriously. Are you looking for acceptance? Justification? Is this all about trying to get us to like you? What?
Probably respect. We have a demand of respect from people who neither realize that respect must be earned, not given, and the real ironic part is that they have demostrated repeatedly that they don't respect anyone else. They don't give respect and seem to feel that they aren't required to. But they damn sure demand it, don't they. Sure signs of an individual that doesn't have a clue.
Fallacious logic. If people from here get goaded into trolling there, THEY WENT TO RFT FIRST. They have to read what's there in order to be goaded into trolling. IOW, those are people who's intent is to troll ANYWAY, like Bear when he went over there to give out a piece ov his mind (which is a bad idea... he needs to keep all he can). Also, like Bear said, If you don't like what's being said there, don't read it. In this case, that's particularly easy because it's not on this forum.
The grammar police aren't after you... just sanity checkers who make sure you're not turning into too much of a spin doctor. What you typed couldn't be spun the way you were trying to spin it.
I PwnZ payj ait.
Not always. When a post is made over there, others from there and/or here tend to PM the person being targeted. I will agree that some do go over there first, But it is not always the case.
Spun the way I wanted it? Sorry, I know what I wanted to type. If it did not come out the way I meant due to wrong sentence structure or grammer I'm sure you can get over it.
We have all seen a number of posts stating that PFF tech section doesn't hold a candle to RFT's tech section.
So for my last post in this thread, Let's compare two threads. Threads are Technical posts for the SAME question on BOTH forums at about the same time. NOTE: The author posted the exact same info on both.
On PFF, //www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/079792.html There were 7 replies as well as, links to how to read the codes, what the codes are, pictures and links to vacuum routing, and pictures and links to all the sensors involved including their dis-assembly.
You be the judge which one is more helpful.
Enjoy.
EDIT: It has been brought to my attention that the previous statement I posted about the advice given on the RFT thread implied that their advice was wrong. That was not my intent nor was their advice wrong. I was merely attempting to show more helpful advice was given on the PFF thread. I offer an apology to those who felt I was mocking their advice and have changed the statement accordingly.
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Not to mention the fact that the thread in the spetic tank was started by someone using the moniker "nutswiging cletus fool". It looks like a joke, but does anyone think that kind of nickname would fly over here, even if it were a joke?
Yup, so much class over there.
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now let shaun post a question in pff's tech section and see how many responses he gets. we knew who DL10 was - we knew that he knows how to do basic maintanance on the fiero - we also has been getting trolled by him for several days and yet we still offered assistance. I wasn't going to spend all day gathering detailed data to help if he wasn't sincere.
see how many of you would actually stop to help someone who was trolling around on your forum for several days.
Not to mention the fact that the thread in the spetic tank was started by an upstanding citizen with the moniker "nutswiging cletus fool". Yup, so much class over there.
thats DL10 - one of YOUR upstanding citizens -- PWNED :P
Originally posted by Kohburn: infact if you started posting sincere tech questions or heck even entertaining off topic posts nobody would hold any past issues against you and would get along fine (well most anyways, there may be a few that hold grudges but i'm not one of them)
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Originally posted by Kohburn: now let shaun post a question in pff's tech section and see how many responses he gets. we knew who DL10 was - we knew that he knows how to do basic maintanance on the fiero - we also has been getting trolled by him for several days and yet we still offered assistance. I wasn't going to spend all day gathering detailed data to help if he wasn't sincere.
see how many of you would actually stop to help someone who was trolling around on your forum for several days.
If you like 1 forum better than the other, why be a member on the forum you dont care for? Seems like everyone has a issue with the others preferred forum. How about this. You stay on your side, and you stay on your side. Why do you select RFT supporters worry about a banning, or whatever else? Why do the PFF members care whats posted on another forum??
I guess I just dont get it.
Seems like people want to argue. Ive never seen people that own a specific car bash it constantly. RFT side. Ive never seen people get into a froth whenever something is said about the 2.8. PFF side
Ive been to RFT, and just like here. I see a thread Im sure its not worth it. I dont read it. How hard is that?
They seem to have a hard on for imports, but hey, whatever youre into. I just see a lot of wasted energy. Fueds that could be squashed, are continually fanned and kept ablaze. Makes me miss the 80s when the teens were going through old muscle cars and foxbodys like water
Here’s my story. I did first go to RTF because Shaun and started a post about me DL10 when I called delicioso. out as being a troll. I do believe it turns out I was right. Anyway I was sent this link http://www.realfierotech.co...viewtopic.php?t=3044 So my first impression of RTF was bad. I decided to sign up and speak up. I chose the user name I was being called on this site a nutswinging Cletus fool. I will admit I went there to be a Troll. My first few post were nothing but gibberish and profanity. That’s what the place is all about right. I got bored there really fast and quit going. I would check out the site {I really only went to RTF vs World section.} After reading some of this thread I decided to go back and see if anything had changed. I was told if I would go to the other sections of the site I would not see the same bull that is in the RTF vs the world section. So I did venture out to other sections this is what I found out
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Originally posted by DL10:
Lets look at the numbers from RTF on Wed Jan.17 2007
There are 13 sections to the site
Tech………………3 post Shaun ,will, 1or 2 others names Motorsport…………0 post for 7 days Mainteance………….1 Non tech…………….0 RTF vs world……….7 Vender…………….…0 for 25 days For sale ……………..3 Preferred users ……. .? Any thing goes………0 Skyline and other ….1 Other cars…………..0 Kill stories ……… …1 Arnons bath house…7
Total………………..20 post -7 rtf vs world – 7 Aarons bath house = 6 post to the forum…..3 were selling things
Now lets look at your membership numbers 1204 registered users I counted over 300 sing ups in the bath house that were there to sell products or promote web sites So that leaves 800 to 900 members……..and I’m sure that Shaun and a few others have 10 + member names each so they can talk to there self and get a positive response.
So my opinion ……….you have maybe 25 members who post anything worth reading.
So my conclusion…………you can call it a respectable and informational site, but on Wed most of the post were spam sign-ups or members arguing in RTF vs the world with me.
Not a lot of action other then in RTF vs the World and Aaron bath house[ trash can} They seem to get a lot of spammers join everyday to promote **** sites. I guess that’s one way to build membership.
I then decided to see how they would respond to me if I were civil and ask for help. Oreif has already posted the results above. I posted cars for sale { even though I really hadn’t planned on selling anything } I just wanted to see which forum got the most replys. //www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/035508.html http://www.realfierotech.co...viewtopic.php?t=5665 no serious offers from RTF I had so many PM’s requesting info that I am now serisly considering selling a couple. I made other post in a couple of other section looking to see if they do keep all the BS in the RTF vs the world section. Shaun posted his usually baiting questions What’s the Dyno #’s .1/4 times….I answered all in a nice polite way.
My conclusion………..While they do say that they are a Tech driven forum I got replies faster and more detailed right here… And I found out that while most members treated me ok there were still References to me being OWN35 and there were still several remarks about Archie and his work. I think there are several members on RTF that want, and try to make it a better place. I was accepted and not attacked by them. I’m not really one to hold any kind of a grudge, I spent 30 years as a union officer, I’m used to being told to F*** off one minute and then buying the guy a beer the next.. I know I will probably get some flack for this but the person that treated me the best was Stimpy……….He spoke up to Shaun about his behavior and welcomed me despite the way I was acting. After going back and reading some of my post, I realized what a ass I was being to everyone there because of my dislike of one or two members. My apologies to everyone I offended., both there and here for my remarks.
And my final thoughts …… I feel that Pennocks is my Fiero home. I think I will visit RTF from time to time, but unless you like talking to the same 10 people all the time there is not that much for me there.
Here’s my story. I did first go to RTF because Shaun and started a post about me DL10 when I called delicioso. out as being a troll. I do believe it turns out I was right. Anyway I was sent this link http://www.realfierotech.co...viewtopic.php?t=3044 So my first impression of RTF was bad. I decided to sign up and speak up. I chose the user name I was being called on this site a nutswinging Cletus fool. I will admit I went there to be a Troll. My first few post were nothing but gibberish and profanity. That’s what the place is all about right. I got bored there really fast and quit going. I would check out the site {I really only went to RTF vs World section.} After reading some of this thread I decided to go back and see if anything had changed. I was told if I would go to the other sections of the site I would not see the same bull that is in the RTF vs the world section. So I did venture out to other sections this is what I found out
Not a lot of action other then in RTF vs the World and Aaron bath house[ trash can} They seem to get a lot of spammers join everyday to promote **** sites. I guess that’s one way to build membership.
I then decided to see how they would respond to me if I were civil and ask for help. Oreif has already posted the results above. I posted cars for sale { even though I really hadn’t planned on selling anything } I just wanted to see which forum got the most replys. //www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/035508.html http://www.realfierotech.co...viewtopic.php?t=5665 no serious offers from RTF I had so many PM’s requesting info that I am now serisly considering selling a couple. I made other post in a couple of other section looking to see if they do keep all the BS in the RTF vs the world section. Shaun posted his usually baiting questions What’s the Dyno #’s .1/4 times….I answered all in a nice polite way.
My conclusion………..While they do say that they are a Tech driven forum I got replies faster and more detailed right here… And I found out that while most members treated me ok there were still References to me being OWN35 and there were still several remarks about Archie and his work. I think there are several members on RTF that want, and try to make it a better place. I was accepted and not attacked by them. I’m not really one to hold any kind of a grudge, I spent 30 years as a union officer, I’m used to being told to F*** off one minute and then buying the guy a beer the next.. I know I will probably get some flack for this but the person that treated me the best was Stimpy……….He spoke up to Shaun about his behavior and welcomed me despite the way I was acting. After going back and reading some of my post, I realized what a ass I was being to everyone there because of my dislike of one or two members. My apologies to everyone I offended., both there and here for my remarks.
And my final thoughts …… I feel that Pennocks is my Fiero home. I think I will visit RTF from time to time, but unless you like talking to the same 10 people all the time there is not that much for me there.
again, thank u for falsey listing a car I was interested in
I'm only posting here to comment on your little "study" in case anyone tries to take it seriously:
1)Spam is a problem we're trying to deal with. There's an outside influence that's suspected. It's annoying, but what can you do except put up with it. But yes, the memberlist is inflated. It'll get fixed.
2) You're lucky you got any replies given the circumstances with which you joined. And yet civility was met with civility. It's how things go. But seriously, are you at all surprised that the whole boatload of us didn't jump all over your posts showering you with assistance or lining up to buy something from you? Get real.
3) Your troll-posts got the most attention because they were the highest profile. Again, this surprises you? I'd like to thank you, though. That was a couple hours of solid entertainment. Feel free to troll my posts anytime. No appologies needed or wanted. It's the internet, not a fist fight over some baby's momma.
4) It's the same 10 people who have a much larger tolerance than some of the others. This is to their credit, not to the detriment of others. The others come around on their own time. Yes, you'll get ribbed for prior remarks. If you didn't want that, you shouldn't have made them.
5) As for your tech help posts. In a given day we have what, 20 active members. Our member list does not currently reflect the number of active posters. Were you honestly expecting 50 posts a day? How about 5 posts you can use vs. 5 posts you can use after you pry them out of the "Yeah, me too!" or "Change your blinker fluid" posts. It's all about signal to noise.
I don't post here anymore. If you want to debate this with me, you know where to find me.
I'm only posting here to comment on your little "study" in case anyone tries to take it seriously:
1)Spam is a problem we're trying to deal with. There's an outside influence that's suspected. It's annoying, but what can you do except put up with it. But yes, the memberlist is inflated. It'll get fixed.
2) You're lucky you got any replies given the circumstances with which you joined. And yet civility was met with civility. It's how things go. But seriously, are you at all surprised that the whole boatload of us didn't jump all over your posts showering you with assistance or lining up to buy something from you? Get real.
3) Your troll-posts got the most attention because they were the highest profile. Again, this surprises you? I'd like to thank you, though. That was a couple hours of solid entertainment. Feel free to troll my posts anytime. No appologies needed or wanted. It's the internet, not a fist fight over some baby's momma.
4) It's the same 10 people who have a much larger tolerance than some of the others. This is to their credit, not to the detriment of others. The others come around on their own time. Yes, you'll get ribbed for prior remarks. If you didn't want that, you shouldn't have made them.
5) As for your tech help posts. In a given day we have what, 20 active members. Our member list does not currently reflect the number of active posters. Were you honestly expecting 50 posts a day? How about 5 posts you can use vs. 5 posts you can use after you pry them out of the "Yeah, me too!" or "Change your blinker fluid" posts. It's all about signal to noise.
I don't post here anymore. If you want to debate this with me, you know where to find me.
That pretty much sums up exactly what happend.... I joined under the same circimstanzes as you, except i argued with everything posted in rft vs the world for months, then stimpy asked me if i had acctualy tried posting in the other sections, so I made a few posts waiting to get jumped on from other forum members still arguing with me in rft vs the world, so that I could copy and paste them back in rft vs the world, to show what a **** ass forum they had, but that didn't happend. I ended up getting answers to my questions. with no bullshit involved, one guy was even a bmw tech that helped me out alot. i relized there was a ton more members on rft vs the world, i had never seen. because i never ventured out of rft vs the world, and they hadn't ventured into there. i ended up sticking around, and liked the place alot, sure I got some ribbing from previous stuff i had posted in rft vs the world, from a couple members, but what was i supposed to expectt? i spammed there forum disputing everything they posted, for like 6 months! so i stuck around and after what a week? of posting regular I never got ribbed about anything again? I mean, I could of run off here back to pennocks and posted my findings to the pff crowd to get appulse from them, and act all upset that they ribbed me for spamming there forum, but I am not a pussy, so i dealt with my Consequences of getting ribbed like 2 or 3 times, and ended up really enjoying the forum.
Proof that you base the help you're going to offer based on whether or not you know and like the person.
same way it gos here pal, look up some of my threads in archives, im not the only one ether, u piss people off in this fourm, and they won't help you.
i also like how people call me names, tell me to stay on rft, then i list somthing for sale, and receive pm's from some of the members telling me that, that say "hey trev buddy, whats the friend price for that, i really want it, can u hold it for me for tell next week? I will offer u more then the person who wants it right now... give him a hand everyone! its the old self proclaimed intelligent pervert man that likes to oggle 17 year old minors along with like 20 other old pervs.
Originally posted by crzyone in RFT Other Cars: Why does the seem like a baited topic?
I spotted where DL10 was comming from a mile away. Thats why people like myself didn't respond to his posts. It was obvious that he was baiting.
A member who is a troll and not respected will not get the results he is trying to prove. I'd like to see how much useful info he gets now if he tries to....
Thanks for wasting peoples time DL10, real mature.
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So for my last post in this thread, Let's compare two threads. Threads are Technical posts for the SAME question on BOTH forums at about the same time. NOTE: The author posted the exact same info on both.
I find it interesting how you apparently find value in pitting what is essentially the timed response of one forum against another, even though the number of active posters on each is vastly different.
Thanks for wasting peoples time DL10, real mature.
isn't that whats the internet is for ?
.............like I said I did my test ...I. found out what I wanted to and feel like I wasted 3 days of my life on RFT. I came to the same conclusion I started with..If I want to talk S***. thats where I will go... and I feel for anyone who has over 10,000 post on a couple of internet forums in 2 years really needs to get a real life.. Flame away.......I think both sites would be better if everyone in this thread would just stay one one site or the other. make a choice and stay there.
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same way it gos here pal, look up some of my threads in archives, im not the only one ether, u piss people off in this fourm, and they won't help you.
Fair enough. Which is one reason I don't have a use for the tech forum on RFT. Since I've apparently pissed off some people on RFT, I shouldn't expect them to help me. And depending on who replied to any tech thread I might post, I may not trust them to give me accurate data.
That was part of my point all along. I see you're in agreement.
.............like I said I did my test ...I. found out what I wanted to and feel like I wasted 3 days of my life on RTF. I came to the same conclusion I started with.......It's a good place to take a S***.... and I feel for anyone who has over 10,000 post on a couple of internet forums in 2 years really needs to get a real life.. Flame away.......I think both sites would be better if everyone in this thread would just stay one one site or the other. make a choice and stay there.
so are you renig'ing on your appolgy? I don't think anyone should have to make a choice and do one or the other. plenty of people can get along on both just fine.
heck most of the people on both forums are more liked on PFF than the people that don't post on RFT
Fair enough. Which is one reason I don't have a use for the tech forum on RFT. Since I've apparently pissed off some people on RFT, I shouldn't expect them to help me. And depending on who replied to any tech thread I might post, I may not trust them to give me accurate data.
That was part of my point all along. I see you're in agreement.
yes, i do agree, and i understand why u don't use rft, thats fine with me, im not asking u to join. or anyone else,
however i have noticed, that when desagreeing with people of here, they just ignore me and i get help from the people i did not get into a argument with.
on rft i spamed the holyliving hell out of there forum, then went into another section asked a question, and got good answers from someone who was just arguing with me in rft vs the world. look in my old threads there u will see what i mean.
i enjoy both forums, so im happy, the only thing that bothers me is when i get in a argument with someone i don't agree with, and there best reply is: "go back to the shitcan forums noob loser*, i find it expesily funny when I have been a part of this online community for over 5 years. and some dude that joined 6 months ago, and happends to not like someone on rft, tells me to get the **** out. because he does not agree with me, over somthing like how effective an abs control system is. like its his forum.
no one gives me crap for visiting r1-forums.com stuntlife.com bimmerforums.com or thefuseforums.com but as soon as its another fiero website with someone, someone else doesn't like on it, I am suddenly someone that does not belong here anymore, even after being here for over 5 years. and making friends on this forum, in person and some i have not met yet. i am suddenly someone who has to go back to rft. which i have been a member of for less then a year, like i origonaly came from there or some dumb crap like that.
i enjoy multiple forums. and use them to get the most out of my veichles/bikes.
so are you renig'ing on your appolgy? I don't think anyone should have to make a choice and do one or the other. plenty of people can get along on both just fine.
heck most of the people on both forums are more liked on PFF than the people that don't post on RFT
LOL, I am going to post this on a few other forums, and my myspace bulliten this is hilerious! seriously laughed out loud at this! dude joins rft and spams the **** out of it! goes into another section and gets treated nicley dispte him being a dickhead, comes back to pennocks, and makes an apologey saying he was wrong about alot of the forum. but that he got more responses on pennocks, which has way more members, rft members say they would have offerd more help if they had taken him seriously but they new he was just trying to prove a point so they didn't put as much effort into it, but yet still helped him. and rft members do not find it ammusing he was wasting there time asking question's and listing things for sale he had no interest in or plane to sell. so now he is calling rft a place he would take a **** in!! completly reversing his orgional post!! lol. this is ****ing hilerious!!
We have all seen a number of posts stating that PFF tech section doesn't hold a candle to RFT's tech section.
So for my last post in this thread, Let's compare two threads. Threads are Technical posts for the SAME question on BOTH forums at about the same time. NOTE: The author posted the exact same info on both.
On PFF, //www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/079792.html There were 7 replies as well as, links to how to read the codes, what the codes are, pictures and links to vacuum routing, and pictures and links to all the sensors involved including their dis-assembly.
You be the judge which one is more helpful.
Enjoy.
It has been brought to my attention that the previous statement I posted about the advice given on the RFT thread implied that their advice was wrong. That was not my intent nor was their advice wrong. I was merely attempting to show more helpful advice was given on the PFF thread. I offer an apology to those who felt I was mocking their advice and have changed the statement accordingly.
i think i have a user name for rft, although i wouldn't be able to remember my password if i had a gun to my head. i simply dont have time to read through the post on two forums.
i question Dave's data, he is liked here, where as over there he is thought of as a troll and people have reason so suspect him. so i can see he would get more responces here. i read the tech thread, the answers were ,for the most part, mirrors of what was posted here. so we all think along the same lines. there were a couple of suggestions that i shook my head at. but i do that all the time here too.
and about him waisting peoples time, i have asked the same question on different forums before in hopes of getting an answer faster.
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Originally posted by Oreif: It has been brought to my attention that the previous statement I posted about the advice given on the RFT thread implied that their advice was wrong.
the advise for that step wasn't wrong. but a useless test for this instance. the vacuum lines for the egr system do not have any vacuum in them at idle. it would not have proved or disproved a vacuum leak.
the advise for that step wasn't wrong. but a useless test for this instance. the vacuum lines for the egr system do not have any vacuum in them at idle. it would not have proved or disproved a vacuum leak.
the advise for that step wasn't wrong. but a useless test for this instance. the vacuum lines for the egr system do not have any vacuum in them at idle. it would not have proved or disproved a vacuum leak.
so long as the solenoid isn't stuck open or leaking.. and it would show if there was a leak.. not the first thing i would check though
Originally posted by Kohburn: so long as the solenoid isn't stuck open or leaking.. and it would show if there was a leak.. not the first thng i would check though
there is no vacuum going TO the solenoid at idle. even if there was a crack in the line from the throttle body to the solenoid, you still wouldn't be able to test for it that way.
I thought about it more on the drive home, and that test might actually be counterproductive. If dave tested for a vacuum leak with WD-40, carb cleaner, starting fluid, or even a propane touch (not lit of course) on the egr lines. There would be no response from the car. So he could possibly assume that he did not have a vacuum leak. Which might still be the problem.
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there is no vacuum going TO the solenoid at idle. even if there was a crack in the line from the throttle body to the solenoid, you still wouldn't be able to test for it that way.
I thought about it more on the drive home, and that test might actually be counterproductive. If dave tested for a vacuum leak with WD-40, carb cleaner, starting fluid, or even a propane touch (not lit of course) on the egr lines. There would be no response from the car. So he could possibly assume that he did not have a vacuum leak. Which might still be the problem.