Intimidated? Whoever said anything about intimidating you? I just want you to admit once that maybe your view is incorrect or at the least not well researched and think twice in the future before shooting your mouth off like everything that comes out of it is an undenyable fact. All I'm asking for is a little humility and restriant from you, Bill, nothing more.
Did you read my entire rant, or did you just blow it off again? Lets see, had something to do with "indentured servitude" and somethin' like that...
What compells me to call you out? You posting your personal ignorant and admittedly arrogant opinions as fact. Some third party who knows little, if anything about the subject, could be getting a lot of false information from you which will only create more problems. Theres nothing worse than giving out bad information and telling everyone its true.
Originally posted by Fastback 86: Did you read my entire rant, or did you just blow it off again? Lets see, had something to do with "indentured servitude" and somethin' like that... What compells me to call you out? You posting your personal ignorant and admittedly arrogant opinions as fact. Some third party who knows little, if anything about the subject, could be getting a lot of false information from you which will only create more problems. Theres nothing worse than giving out bad information and telling everyone its true.
Indeed, and now for the entertainment.
With all due respect Sir. You are a pompous, raving blowhard with an adept flair for beating your head against a wall repeatedly. If you had spent 1/2 the time looking up definitions and understand what they meant and how they are used then we would not be having this discussion. Quite frankly I don't care what you think because you obviously do not think and I sure as hell don't want you to think for me. So congratulations you passed the poopy head test.
Sig Test. ------------------- Suddenly realizing that when he turned the wheel right his car went right and when he turned let the car turned left. Stunned by this epiphanatic revelation Fastback 86 did not realize that when he stepped on the brake pedal the car slows down and sped through the red light. 84Bill was then hit head on by another dubass driver who does not pay much attention to details, Annoyed but unharmed by safety restraints, 84Bill put his car in reverse, adjusts his tinfoil hat and left Fastback 86 in a twisted mass of smoking wreckage.
I go to the trouble to make a educational, intellegent, logical, rational, and well thought out arguement.
Bill calls names.
Guess we know who won this round.
See you next round Bill. Try to put up an actual fight next time, if its not too much trouble to actually read, think about, and respond to what someone writes.
I go to the trouble to make a educational, intellegent, logical, rational, and well thought out arguement.
Bill calls names.
Guess we know who won this round.
See you next round Bill. Try to put up an actual fight next time, if its not too much trouble to actually read, think about, and respond to what someone writes.
Let me think.. uhhhhhhh.. Ok. Jeaz and it didn't even hurt you OR me this time.
Tell ya what. If you see an article about servitude open a thead about it because in all honesty I would like to explore it and I will behave. I kinda want to distance myself from toaddsters thread.
Not in this case. If you were to use only the word 'servitude,' then that would be correct. It is defined as Slavery. In this case, we are talking about 'Indentured Servitude.
As defined by Webster's Encyclopedic Unabriged Dictionary of the English Language:
"Indentured Servant:" A person who came to America and was placed under contract to work for another over a period of time, usually seven years, esp, during the 17th to 19th centuries. Generally, indentured servants included redemptioners, victims of religious persecution, persons kidnapped for the purpose, convicts, and paupers. [1665 - 75]
"Slave:" A person who is the property of and wholly subject to another.
Not the same thing. Now before you go pointing out the part that says "persons kidnapped for the purpose," thats like a bogus tax right off. Slave owners called them "Indentured Servants" (incorrectly, I might add) because it sounds nicer than "Slaves." It looks better to say that you have an indentured servant, a respectable position, rather than a slave. Its like writting off that week long trip to Hawaii as a business expense when you only spent 2 hours in a seminar. Its BS for the sake of personal gain or saving face.
Indentured servants were SLAVES!!
"By 1620, the Virginia Company had organized an effective system that enabled poorer Englishmen to sail for America. These Englishmen, often skilled workers that were victims of England's widespread unemployment, considered America as the Land of Opportunity. Company agents, as well as private recruiters, impressed Brits with promises of land and other benefits for several years of servitude. According to agents, benefits included, travel, trade, and land. Typically, the Virginia Company sent servants over to Virginia to be "sold" to planters, who would reimburse the Company for the servants' passages. More often than not, the indentured servants were shocked by their new conditions. Rather than finding venues in which they could practice their profession, like gardens and orchards, overseers marched servants out to the fields. Many died, attempted to return, or ran away. In addition to mistreatment, many servants also encountered contract extension, a popular punishment of planters for rowdy indentures. However, even the worst human abuses did not take the mortal tolls that the mere climate of Virginia claimed. The temperate springs and falls, and sweltering summers in the New World, created a market for fresh servants."
Has is occured to you that Fastback is a Moderate Liberal and I am a Moderate Conservative and we BOTH agree that you have lost your mind?
And as for "The Point":
PLEASE tell me you are kidding....
<shakes head in disbelief>
Oh on the contrary, I am not mindless and unlike you I don't shake my head. I hold it firm and level in a proud ever watchfull scanning gaze.
Kidding? Kidding who, me or you? I'm not kidding with you Todd, you and others like you really scare me but that will not stop me from running you into the ground until you remit your contempt for me. I did not warant such an attack but you kept calling me on the carpet an now you look like the town idiot. So please stop fooling yourself because you are not fooling me.
I would like to say. Congratulations Toad, you win the boobie prize. Now go away and untwist your areolas, unless of course you are enjoying it as much as I am.
Not in this case. If you were to use only the word 'servitude,' then that would be correct. It is defined as Slavery. In this case, we are talking about 'Indentured Servitude.
As defined by Webster's Encyclopedic Unabriged Dictionary of the English Language:
"Indentured Servant:" A person who came to America and was placed under contract to work for another over a period of time, usually seven years, esp, during the 17th to 19th centuries. Generally, indentured servants included redemptioners, victims of religious persecution, persons kidnapped for the purpose, convicts, and paupers. [1665 - 75]
"Slave:" A person who is the property of and wholly subject to another.
Not the same thing. Now before you go pointing out the part that says "persons kidnapped for the purpose," thats like a bogus tax right off. Slave owners called them "Indentured Servants" (incorrectly, I might add) because it sounds nicer than "Slaves." It looks better to say that you have an indentured servant, a respectable position, rather than a slave. Its like writting off that week long trip to Hawaii as a business expense when you only spent 2 hours in a seminar. Its BS for the sake of personal gain or saving face.
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Originally posted by Tugboat:
Indentured servants were SLAVES!!
"By 1620, the Virginia Company had organized an effective system that enabled poorer Englishmen to sail for America. These Englishmen, often skilled workers that were victims of England's widespread unemployment, considered America as the Land of Opportunity. Company agents, as well as private recruiters, impressed Brits with promises of land and other benefits for several years of servitude. According to agents, benefits included, travel, trade, and land. Typically, the Virginia Company sent servants over to Virginia to be "sold" to planters, who would reimburse the Company for the servants' passages. More often than not, the indentured servants were shocked by their new conditions. Rather than finding venues in which they could practice their profession, like gardens and orchards, overseers marched servants out to the fields. Many died, attempted to return, or ran away. In addition to mistreatment, many servants also encountered contract extension, a popular punishment of planters for rowdy indentures. However, even the worst human abuses did not take the mortal tolls that the mere climate of Virginia claimed. The temperate springs and falls, and sweltering summers in the New World, created a market for fresh servants."
I'm just doing what everyone else does and turning this into a "lets post pictures" thread trying to douse the flames that are being thrown back and forth
Anything I post is not meant to be taken personally by ANYONE on the forum, at least not in this thread
"Actually, it's quite simple. I go to the last page and read the messages there. If, after reading them all, I still have no clue what this thread is about and I only see a bunch of accusations flying around about how flawed the other person's logic is, then I move it." 1)
1) From: 101 answers to the question "Why are threads moved to the Trash Can?" Also available in paperback.
"Actually, it's quite simple. I go to the last page and read the messages there. If, after reading them all, I still have no clue what this thread is about and I only see a bunch of accusations flying around about how flawed the other person's logic is, then I move it." 1)
1) From: 101 answers to the question "Why are threads moved to the Trash Can?" Also available in paperback.
Hummm... Question 1 in the upcoming FAQ? I like it.
"Actually, it's quite simple. I go to the last page and read the messages there. If, after reading them all, I still have no clue what this thread is about and I only see a bunch of accusations flying around about how flawed the other person's logic is, then I move it." 1)
1) From: 101 answers to the question "Why are threads moved to the Trash Can?" Also available in paperback.
Sniff Sniff,
Look what you people have done to my poor thread. I hope you're proud of yourselves.
Fastback 86 YOU GOT OWNED!! I duno how I missed this one.
Still doesn't mean that you're right, Bill. Now don't you wish that YOU could've been the one to "own" me? Get your facts straight like Tugboat did and maybe some day you, too, can correct an error of mine.
Still doesn't mean that you're right, Bill. Now don't you wish that YOU could've been the one to "own" me? Get your facts straight like Tugboat did and maybe some day you, too, can correct an error of mine.
Kudos, Tugboat, you got me there.
Look back and recount. I was in 100% accordance with Tugboat the whole time. I never said a word to dispute him.
You were too busy trying to discredit me to realize it. So in a very clever way I tied you in knots while Tugboat put the pretty bow on your head.
Not to gloat but Total ownage.
It has happend to me before too and like I sai. If there is anything you want to discuss NICELY I will be happy to input my opinions and personal observations but I reserve assertions for the inept, not the adept so be nice and I will too.
Look what you people have done to my poor thread. I hope you're proud of yourselves.
sniff sniff.
Aww Poor poor Toaddster.
Here is something that may cheer you up. Since you know how cheap I am because I "refuse to work" I found a better use for Bill Clintons book due mostly to my ADEPT financial management.
Clintons Book 900 pages for 21.00 = 0.02 a page
Charmin Toilet tissue 800 sheets for 2.09 = 0.003 a sheet
Cheer up Todd, it will get better when you can uses Bushes book after he gets voted out. It may be a bit rougher on your arse but since you no longer have one you may want to save your money and keep the "poo poo hair dew."
Look back and recount. I was in 100% accordance with Tugboat the whole time. I never said a word to dispute him.
You were too busy trying to discredit me to realize it. So in a very clever way I tied you in knots while Tugboat put the pretty bow on your head.
Not to gloat but Total ownage.
It has happend to me before too and like I sai. If there is anything you want to discuss NICELY I will be happy to input my opinions and personal observations but I reserve assertions for the inept, not the adept so be nice and I will too.
I do however ask ALOT of questions.
NO BILL. YOU ARE STILL WRONG. Do you not get it? Tugboat corrected my definition of Indentured Servitude (NOT indentured slavery, though thats a moot point now). You tried to tell us that what these companies are doing is equivelent to slavery BUT ITS NOT. YOU ARE STILL WRONG. Tugboat is right, and so am I. You are not. Stop trying to pretend like you are.
NO BILL. YOU ARE STILL WRONG. Do you not get it? Tugboat corrected my definition of Indentured Servitude (NOT indentured slavery, though thats a moot point now). You tried to tell us that what these companies are doing is equivelent to slavery BUT ITS NOT. YOU ARE STILL WRONG. Tugboat is right, and so am I. You are not. Stop trying to pretend like you are.
Now you are just being a weasel, give it up. I said I agreed with Tugboat but disagreed with YOU because you kept calling me out over stupid crap.
I argued with you, not tugboat, and yes. he was right.
Get over it, you are an indentured SLAVE to your own emotions. My term "Intentured SLAVERY" is still valid.
Intentured "servents" were SLAVES Intentured "servitude" is SLAVERY
ser·vi·tude ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sûrv-td, -tyd) n. 1. a) A state of subjection to an owner or master. b) Lack of personal freedom, as to act as one chooses. 2. Forced labor imposed as a punishment for crime: penal servitude in labor camps. 3. Law. A right that grants use of another's property.
slave ( P ) Pronunciation Key (slv) n. 1. One bound in servitude as the property of a person or household. 2. One who is abjectly subservient to a specified person or influence: “I was still the slave of education and prejudice” (Edward Gibbon). 3. One who works extremely hard. 4. A machine or component controlled by another machine or component.
Get over it Fastback 86, you got owned and you look like an idiot.
Yes my child, you are indeed a foolish and broken mouse.
Do you realize that most of your combacks are of the same quality, caliber and mentality as such elementary school greats as "I know you are, but what am I?" and "no, you are" ???
Do you realize that most of your combacks are of the same quality, caliber and mentality as such elementary school greats as "I know you are, but what am I?" and "no, you are" ???
LOL.. Indeed they are.
I have a picture for both you and Pokeyfiero. Lets have a look.
If you rally to the cause of bolstering a weak minded adult (child) in an attempt to save him from his own ineptitude. You are a weak and mindless school yard bully who is equally if not more childish and inept than the one you seek to defend, you are a blubbering weakling, a coward lacking self esteem. And have the mental capacity of less than that of a three year old child.
I made it all by myself in about 3 minutes.... pretty, isn't it?
Originally posted by 84Bill: I made it all by myself in about 3 minutes.... pretty, isn't it?
If you think that throwing insults around is pretty, then I suppose so. If you're like the rest of us who don't, and like to argue points without resorting to insults, then the answer would be no.
If you think that throwing insults around is pretty, then I suppose so. If you're like the rest of us who don't, and like to argue points without resorting to insults, then the answer would be no.
Well in all honesty I don't understand why do you continue to INSULT me by attacking my credibility? I don't particularly care but if you wish to continue then by all means do so and so will I.
I'm not afraid of your attacks on my credibility nor am I intimidated, though I do find it an annoyance. Considering the level of maturity of the source you only prove time and again your immaturaity.
I mearly smack you in response. If you don't like it then perhaps you should heed the warning when I say BACK OFF or else.
I do find it fun though and it does help widle the boring hours away babysitting. your father warned me about how cranky you babies can be when it's nap time.
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Well in all honesty I don't understand why do you continue to INSULT me by attacking my credibility? I don't particularly care but if you wish to continue then by all means do so and so will I.
Because you're full of crap.
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I'm not afraid of your attacks on my credibility nor am I intimidated, though I do find it an annoyance. Considering the level of maturity of the source you only prove time and again your immaturaity.
MrIncoherent calling me immature? Again, you're full of crap.
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I mearly smack you in response. If you don't like it then perhaps you should heed the warning when I say BACK OFF or else.
Back off...or WHAT?
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I do find it fun though and it does help widle the boring hours away babysitting. your father warned me about how cranky you babies can be when it's nap time.
Are you clairvoyant? My father is dead.
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