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Hudini...from your unique perspective, thoughts on the new Chinese corona virus by maryjane
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My guess is they set up some sort of negative pressure area in part of the aircraft. No idea how to do it for biohazards but I can get an asbestos containment chamber up and running in 2 hours.

It's just a frame, plastic sheet, duct tape and a couple HEPA-filtered exhaust fans.
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Originally posted by maryjane:

Evidently less than 100 new cases reported in the last 24 hrs, as the total didn't change.
Interesting comments regardin fatality rates and infection rates in the news today:

The 1918 flu pandemic was pretty bad, so those words aren't terribly comforting, but healthcare/prevention and vaccines have come a long way in 100 years.


If you look at the charts ever since the 15k jump in one day due to a change methodology, the infections per day are rounding down. That is a great sign.

But, if you go back in history the Spaish flu came on strong the second year and that when most deaths occurred. We luckily have modern medicine and might be able to develope vaccines or treatments by next fall.
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My guess is they set up some sort of negative pressure area in part of the aircraft. No idea how to do it for biohazards but I can get an asbestos containment chamber up and running in 2 hours.

It's just a frame, plastic sheet, duct tape and a couple HEPA-filtered exhaust fans.


Understood but, my point was, that was not (as reported) done.

 
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If you look at the charts ever since the 15k jump in one day due to a change methodology, the infections per day are rounding down. That is a great sign.

But, if you go back in history the Spaish flu came on strong the second year and that when most deaths occurred. We luckily have modern medicine and might be able to develope vaccines or treatments by next fall.


While vaccines will (no doubt) be developed, I suggest that any bodies be incinerated immediately upon death. May sound cold but, I'm not sure we know enough about this virus to be taking any chances.

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Originally posted by williegoat:

So the corona virus is actually a cleverly executed plan, conceived by Valerie Jarrett and Huma Abedin and implemented by Pelosi and Schiff at the behest of Obama and Clinton, to unseat Trump in November. Now it all makes sense! How could I have been so blind? I'll bet Comey and McCabe were in charge of the coverup.


That, is right along the lines of what some people really believe. Fortunately, these same people aren't in charge of anything and hopefully they were spayed and neutered early in their lives.
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Latest report is that new cases are over 75000, and deaths are over 2000. Right now it is not increasing exponentially, which is great news. But, it is disheartening or maybe discouraging that China is not being more open and transparent.
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Just saw Cotton on Fox News talking about the Covid 19 virus. He is actually questioning the official line of the virus starting in the food market and has put out a hypothesis that might have actually come from the China biological research place near Wuhan. He is getting a lot of pushback, but his response is pretty measured. He is saying we just dont know and the biologists are saying it didn't come from the market. So China needs to let the WHO & the US doctors in to help figure out just how it started and where.

I also heard a commentator in the last day, I think on BBC, say that you can get re-infected after recovering, and a second infection is a bad thing because of the damage done to the body by the first infection and the drugs they used to fight the virus.

I guess to me the big problem is the lack of transparency by the Chinese government.
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Speculating about this virus when the source of info is the ChiComms is an exercise in futility. Bad data should be treated as just that - bad data. No sense in trying to make sense of it.
At this point, the problem is still regional, and modern countries are taking steps to keep the problem out of their countries.
Clamp down on the southern border, keep the flight bans in place and offer them medical and research help.
The rest of us need to go about our lives.

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750 people in my state are under watch currently.

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750 people in my state are under watch currently.


What? Do you Idahoins go to China that much?
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Nearly 750 people in Washington now under supervision for coronavirus

https://www.khq.com/news/ne...b4-cf8a103af7b5.html
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Tony, that is crazy.
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Now there is concern for the rise in people with this virus in Japan. Apparently there are several people suspected of having the virus. Some of whom are taxi drivers who have a lot of contact with many people due to the nature of their job. According to this report Japan did not respond quickly to the virus like most other countries did.


https://www.bloombergquint....a-coronavirus-hotbed

“This virus spread very, very fast. Not only China, not only Japan, but also many other countries cannot catch up with the speed of this virus,” Hitoshi Oshitani, a professor of virology at Tohoku University, told reporters in Tokyo. Oshitani also sits on the government panel tackling the virus. “Even if they implemented a travel ban to all of China, it was too late.”

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Is this an opportune time to say "told ya so" ?

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I knew it! It's all the tobacco industries fault. SUE THEM!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk...s-dangerous-smokers/
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Is this an opportune time to say "told ya so" ?


It might be Captain Obvious, except you post so much childish bs that almost anyone could equally say the same thing.

That's the beauty I suppose, of being a conspiracy/dooms day 'soothsayer'.
Once in every 3rd odd numbered blue moon, everything aligns and simply by mathematical chance, they get something partially correct. Removing the wheat from the chaff tho, the pile of chaff exponentially dwarfs the meager cup full of wheat.
The blind squirrel syndrome...with some being much more blind than others.
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Is this an opportune time to say "told ya so" ?



Actually, NO.

It's a NO because you don't really understand the reason why Congressman Cotton raised his question.

It's not even clear that you understand that he asked a question and didn't make a definitive statement.
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His travel ban idea IS radical. Outrageous. It's almost...... common sense

https://www.nationalreview....e-than-china-admits/
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The new figures for tonight on Covid-19 are less than 500 new cases world wide. That is an amazing drop in the per day numbers. Hopefully it holds true.
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Actually, NO.

It's a NO because you don't really understand the reason why Congressman Cotton raised his question.

It's not even clear that you understand that he asked a question and didn't make a definitive statement.


I figure he is trying to put pressure on China to let the CDC send people into Wuhan. His remarks are clearly speculative but do come from a very well earned distrust. It has already been proven that MERS was accidentally released from a Beijing lab several years ago.
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Coming to a hospital near you!

I am NOT panicking. I am one of 440,000 people that live in this county. But, everyone knows someone at Sacred Heart.

https://www.khq.com/news/fi...88-cb52da0dfed1.html
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I figure he is trying to put pressure on China to let the CDC send people into Wuhan. His remarks are clearly speculative but do come from a very well earned distrust. It has already been proven that MERS was accidentally released from a Beijing lab several years ago.




I would only add that he is , not so subtly, accusing the Communist Chinese of lying about the actual numbers.

It is impossible for the rest of the modern world to properly assess the problem if we don't have truthful data.

Communists LIE.

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I'm not real sure what to think of these 2 'news' reports out of Lake Charles La. Appear to be legit news sources.
If true, then it's not just China that is under reporting cases to CDC

https://www.fox8live.com/20...lake-charles-casino/

https://www.klfy.com/louisi...eak-in-lake-charles/

Looking for a retraction or update............

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Some lunch time reading about the patients being transported and cared for here at Sacred Heart Hospital.


https://www.khq.com/news/a-...23-aff16587ef61.html


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What is Norovirus?
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Stomach flu.

It's a sheety condition to have.

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What is Norovirus?


Its just the way they talk in Louisiana...
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What is Norovirus?


Or Norwalk Virus

I grew up in Norwalk Ohio. What a thing to be known for.
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Oh I have had that stomach virus. It's one day of hell. Good way for losing weight though. The hard way.
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China has decided to change their methodology for determining new cases of Covid-19. There is an article on CNN about it and I will put the link below.

I had wondered what was going on since the new infections daily rate had changed drastically a couple of days ago. Now I know why. I don't know for sure if I believe their reasoning, but it does impact the perceptions of anyone trying to follow and track this disease. That makes three times they have changed the methodology now.


https://www.cnn.com/2020/02...ange-intl/index.html
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That makes three times they have changed the methodology now.




This has GOT to be the most inept cover-up I've ever seen
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Another case here. The interesting part is she was in Iran, nowhere near China. Thats kind of telling about the spread.

https://nationalpost.com/pm...-has-covid-19-in-b-c
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The new Canadian case is a presumptive one for now. She has not had the lab test results back ..yet.

The coronavirus cases in Lake Charles La that I linked to in an earlier post turned out to be not coronavirus, but a pretty common norovirus.
One of the gambling places where they were originally reported to have started is a cruise ship that spends most of it's time docked at Lake Charles and the other is the land based L'Auberge Casino Resort .


The new cases in Iran should come as no surprise. China is pretty much Iran's last trading partner in everything from China buying their petroleum products to selling them their Chinese military arms.
Some call the islamic sino relationship ChiRan.

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South Korea is now in the headlights for this virus. The number of people with the disease has quadrupled in a couple of days. In the tight confines of Daegu it could spread quickly and be hard to contain. Apparently a woman came down with the virus, but had attended her large church twice during the time she could have been contagious.


https://www.foxnews.com/hea...rea-outbreak-spreads

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That particular church is known as a minor cult in S. Korea...very secretive and closed off from much of society's eyes. Many of the members won't wear the masks. One of it's members is thought to be responsible for dozens of infections transmitted to other people...began to be symptomatic on Jan 31 thus the moniker "Patient 31".
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That particular church is known as a minor cult in S. Korea...very secretive and closed off from much of society's eyes. Many of the members won't wear the masks. One of it's members is thought to be responsible for dozens of infections transmitted to other people...began to be symptomatic on Jan 31 thus the moniker "Patient 31".



BTW, years ago, when I was in S. Korea, Daegu was called and spelled Taegu.
Romanization changed the spelling. (D & T are interchangeable in Korean but they had to officially pick one or the other once computers and binary began to surface.)
Inchon, became Incheon too.
Kimpo, site of a major battle during the Korean War, and the base most of the USAF Sabre Jets were based , became Gimpo (actually Gimpo-si which means Gimpo City)

trivia alert over

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That particular church is known as a minor cult in S. Korea...very secretive and closed off from much of society's eyes. Many of the members won't wear the masks. One of it's members is thought to be responsible for dozens of infections transmitted to other people...began to be symptomatic on Jan 31 thus the moniker "Patient 31".


It might be considered a minor cult in Korea, but there are at least 1000 members in the one church in where the infections are coming from.

I don't know how effective the masks would be, but it can be surmised that it does offer some protection. So not using the masks would be a problem. I also just read that the virus has hit the prison systems in China. The way people are packed into prisons, it would be a breeding ground for the virus.

I have business relations with South Korea, so this might just affect me and my business. I didn't expect that.
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It might be considered a minor cult in Korea, but there are at least 1000 members in the one church in where the infections are coming from.

I don't know how effective the masks would be, but it can be surmised that it does offer some protection. So not using the masks would be a problem. I also just read that the virus has hit the prison systems in China. The way people are packed into prisons, it would be a breeding ground for the virus.

I have business relations with South Korea, so this might just affect me and my business. I didn't expect that.

1000 member in that one church in a city of nearly 3 million is not surprising or even very impressive.There is a preacher Joel Olsteen, in Houston Tx (population 2.3 million) with a non-denominational church that is filled each week to capacity of 17,000 members and total # that 'attend' either in person, on-line, or via TV is 52,000.


It would take 3000 more churches, each with that 1000 person membership, in Daegu to 'use' the city's entire population.
Daegu is not a small city by any means, and is very modern...like most of S. Korea is.



I am participating in a similar discussion on a military board with several of the members living in S. Korea (American expats) .
They are concerned, but not panicked and say the govt has clamped down on lots of public activities, but so far, business and manufacturing goes on about normal.
No movement back and forth between S. Korea and N. Kporea is allowed, and there is very very limited movement between S. Korea and China.
The bottleneck in any S. Korea production, is going to be because of a shortage of parts from Chinese supply chain to S. Korea.

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South Korea's number of cases doubled again last night. This is bad news. That is the very definition of an exponential increase if it keeps going. Along with that the number of total cases is creeping up again. It was as low as about 489 new cases world wide on Thursday with most being in China. That was the day they changed the way they count the cases. But today's number shows it going up 1100 new cases. Surely the new cases in South Korea are a part of that increase but don't come anywhere near that increase day to day. However if the new cases in South Korea keep expanding exponentially, they very well could take the lead on new cases in a just a couple of days.

So far even though there were cases of transmission that occurred in countries other than China, it was pretty tightly controlled. I would need to add here that there was one exception of a particular case with the cruise ship in Japan, which looks like it was more of a Petri dish than a quarantine. Now though South Korea looks like it has inadvertently allowed the virus to break quarantine. I just hope that they can get it under control.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51596665

Edited to include a link to the report.

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Rams was right. Looks like the had no quarantine on the planes. Just brilliant

https://offgridsurvival.com...e-the-untied-states/
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Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:

Rams was right. Looks like the had no quarantine on the planes. Just brilliant

https://offgridsurvival.com...e-the-untied-states/

As usual, that article is pure feces. That "offgrid' suvivalist' bunch of conspiracy nut jobs linked to the WP article but conveniently left out what the WP story actually said. I don't know which is worse...the people that write this garbage or the gullible lamebrains that read it and pass it off as fact when it's so clearly a baldfaced lie.

https://www.washingtonpost....abac6674f_story.html
 
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But Robert Kadlec, assistant secretary for preparedness and response for the Department of Health and Human Services and a member of the coronavirus task force, pushed back: Officials had already prepared the plane to handle passengers who might develop symptoms on the long flight, he argued. The two Boeing 747s had 18 seats cordoned off with 10-foot-high plastic on all four sides. Infectious disease doctors would also be onboard.


The gullibility of a certain demographic of morons never ceases to amaze me...

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