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Hudini...from your unique perspective, thoughts on the new Chinese corona virus by maryjane
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Interesting statistics about South Korea.

"505 new cases (of which 422, or 84%, in Daegu) and 1 death in South Korea. The number of new cases in South Korea has topped China for the first time (China has reported 433 new cases for Feb. 26 [source]). This number is expected to further increase in the coming days as health authorities have started testing more than 210,000 members of the Shincheonji Church of Jesus in Daegu, attended by the 31st case (a possible "super spreader") and which accounts for more than half of the country's 1,766 total cases to date"
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Although a bit late, and not really pertinent to the current discussion, this may answer some questions..

Aircraft precautions.
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Originally posted by olejoedad:

Eh, this is Mother Nature's way of counteracting man-made climate change.

"It's not nice to fool (with) Mother Nature!"


Maybe Zanos got hold of those Infinity Stones and snapped his fingers...……..

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https://hotair.com/archives...esident-coronavirus/





https://www.youtube.com/wat...tbI&feature=emb_logo

"This isn’t the vice president, it’s Iran’s health minister at a briefing a few days ago at which he reassured the public that they have the coronavirus outbreak under control. Shortly afterward he was diagnosed with coronavirus. You’re watching him here in the early throes of the disease, right in front of the media."


Iranian President Rouhani has also been exposed to the virus via the VP (left) as well as a host of top level members of the government

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Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP) study says the Case Fatality Rate for Coronavirus in the 72,000 cases studied in China was 2.3% overall.


Researchers from China's Center for Disease Control and Prevention today describe the clinical findings on more than 72,000 COVID-19 cases reported in mainland China, which reveal a case-fatality rate (CFR) of 2.3% and suggest most cases are mild, but the disease hits the elderly the hardest.

The study, published in JAMA, is the largest patient-based study on the novel coronavirus, which was first connected to seafood market in Wuhan, China, in December, and has since traversed the globe.

Death rate in critically ill: 49% or higher
A total of 72,314 COVID-19 cases, diagnosed through Feb 11 were used for the study. Of the 72,314 cases, 44,672 were classified as confirmed cases of COVID-19 (62%; diagnosis based on positive throat swab samples), 16,186 as suspected cases (diagnosis based on symptoms and exposures only), 10,567 as clinically diagnosed cases (from Hubei province only, diagnoses based on symptoms, including lung x-ray), and 889 as asymptomatic cases (diagnosis by positive test result but lacking typical symptoms).

"Most cases were diagnosed in Hubei Province (75%) and most reported Wuhan-related exposures (86%; ie, Wuhan resident or visitor or close contact with Wuhan resident or visitor," the authors said.

Eighty-seven percent of patients were aged 30 to 79 years (38,680 cases). This age-group was the most affected by a wide margin, followed by ages 20 to 29 (3,619 cases, or 8%), those 80 and older (1,408 cases, or 3%), and 1% each in ages less than 10 and 10 to 19 years.

Of the confirmed cases, 1,023 patients—all in critical condition—died from the virus, which results in a CFR of 2.3%. The CFR jumped considerably among older patients, to 14.8% in patients 80 and older, and 8.0% in patients ages 70 to 79. Among the critically ill, the CFR was 49.0%.

A smaller study today based on 52 critically ill patients at a Wuhan hospital confirms this finding. Thirty-two of the 52 critically ill patients (61.5%) died, and older age and acute respiratory distress syndrome were correlated with mortality.

The authors of the smaller study also found that 30 (81%) of 37 patients requiring mechanical ventilation had died by 28 days.

Less deadly but more transmissible than SARS, MERS

A total of 81% of cases in the JAMA study were classified as mild, meaning they did not result in pneumonia or resulted in only mild pneumonia. Fourteen percent of cases were severe (marked by difficulty breathing), and 5% were critical (respiratory failure, septic shock, and/or multiple organ dysfunction or failure).

In comparison to SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) and MERS (Middle East respiratory syndrome) coronaviruses, which were both identified in the past 20 years, COVID-19 is likely more highly transmissible but not as deadly, the researchers noted. (SARS had a CFR of 9.6%; MERS has a CFR of 34.4%.) And unlike SARS and MERS, hospital-based outbreaks do not seem to be hallmark of COVID-19 at this time.

"Most secondary transmission of SARS and MERS occurred in the hospital setting," the authors wrote. "Transmission of COVID-19 is occurring in this context as well—3019 cases have been observed among health workers as of February 11, 2020 (of whom there have been 1716 confirmed cases and 5 deaths). However, this is not a major means of COVID-19 spread. Rather, it appears that considerable transmission is occurring among close contacts."

Cruise ship study suggests R0 of 2.28
In other research news, a study in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases uses data from the Diamond Princess cruise ship to calculate COVID-19's reproductive number (R0, or R-naught), or the number of people a single infected person is likely to infect.

Among the 355 passengers who contracted the virus, the researchers calculated an R0 of 2.28, similar to other R0 modeling published in the past several weeks.


http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/n...-finds-23-death-rate
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"Of the confirmed cases, 1,023 patients—all in critical condition—died from the virus, which results in a CFR of 2.3%. The CFR jumped considerably among older patients, to 14.8% in patients 80 and older, and 8.0% in patients ages 70 to 79. Among the critically ill, the CFR was 49.0%."


I read this as people who were already in critical condition. As in they had something else wrong and the virus pushed them over the top.
Anyone have a different take on that sentence?
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Originally posted by Hudini:

"Of the confirmed cases, 1,023 patients—all in critical condition—died from the virus, which results in a CFR of 2.3%. The CFR jumped considerably among older patients, to 14.8% in patients 80 and older, and 8.0% in patients ages 70 to 79. Among the critically ill, the CFR was 49.0%."


I read this as people who were already in critical condition. As in they had something else wrong and the virus pushed them over the top.
Anyone have a different take on that sentence?


I believe that in your second paragraph, it is referring to all who are in critical condition and it doesn't matter how they got there. It would most certainly include those in the higher age bracket and with previous problems that put them at higher risk of getting a more severe form of the virus. You don't have to be critical before the virus hits you, it is just how bad you get the virus.
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I'm guessing this is the same 40% that think tide pods are a tastey snack.

https://www.wfla.com/news/b...navirus-study-shows/
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Originally posted by Hudini:

"Of the confirmed cases, 1,023 patients—all in critical condition—died from the virus, which results in a CFR of 2.3%. The CFR jumped considerably among older patients, to 14.8% in patients 80 and older, and 8.0% in patients ages 70 to 79. Among the critically ill, the CFR was 49.0%."


I read this as people who were already in critical condition. As in they had something else wrong and the virus pushed them over the top.
Anyone have a different take on that sentence?


Not necessarily just "critical" condition, but comorbidity is almost always a factor.

Comorbidity includes conditions such as people with compromised immune systems, people with COPD, asthma or other chronic respiratory illnesses, people recovering from surgery, people with other heart, lung or kidney problems, etc.

The statistics look like the common type A and B influenza for older patients.
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Article says COVID 19 is here to stay.

https://www.google.com/amp/.../amp/article/607000/

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Probably so.
Like trying to contain the wind.

a sobering thought:

Lipsitch predicts that within the coming year, some 40 to 70 percent of people around the world will be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19. But, he clarifies emphatically, this does not mean that all will have severe illnesses. “It’s likely that many will have mild disease, or may be asymptomatic,” he said. As with influenza, which is often life-threatening to people with chronic health conditions and of older age, most cases pass without medical care. (Overall, about 14 percent of people with influenza have no symptoms.)

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Woo how hoo

I'm going to be rich!!!!

There is profit in pandemics

Yeh.
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There is profit in everything....
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OK then. From that psychic Sylvia brown in the 80s

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/wDnZGvt

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/t9b3Slm

So there it is. Nutin to worry about until 2030

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It may be too early, but has anyone heard how this might affect the olympics?
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There is profit in everything....

for most people....for others, if steamboat rides were a nickle apiece, all they could do is run up and down the river bank yellin' "Ain't that cheap!"
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OK then. From that psychic Sylvia brown in the 80s

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/wDnZGvt

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/t9b3Slm

So there it is. Nutin to worry about until 2030



I once hosted a convention for psychics.

The date, time and place was never publically announced.

I just told a few of my friends and we all thought about it a lot.

You can imagine our lack of amazement when absolutely ZERO psychics showed up......

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Originally posted by williegoat:

It may be too early, but has anyone heard how this might affect the olympics?


They are adding a new event. I havnt heard all the details yet, but it's being called the deep breath.

Chinese teams training isn't going so well.
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Is this news to anyone? I don't think it's been mentioned here before.


"U.S. workers without protective gear assisted coronavirus evacuees, HHS whistleblower says"
 
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Officials at the Department of Health and Human Services sent more than a dozen workers to receive the first Americans evacuated from Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, without proper training for infection control or appropriate protective gear, according to a whistleblower complaint. . . .

Lena H. Sun and Yasmeen Abutaleb for the Washington Post; February 27, 2020.
https://www.washingtonpost....-whistleblower-says/


That was over a month ago, at the end of January, when the first Americans were evacuated from Wuhan.


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I heard on MSNBCrackhouse that President Trump personally ordered the break in safety protocalls, and told the people to 'grab em by the pu**y' because they were rock stars.
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First death in the US. A Washington State native.

They released two of the patients that were cared for here in town.

Two new cases emerged in this state. One is a high schooler, and the other an elderly woman who claims no contact with others.

Spokane County has tested several people for new cases, but not released info as of this morning.

Taking the day to do early season yard work. Business as usual.

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I heard on MSNBCrackhouse that President Trump personally ordered the break in safety protocalls, and told the people to 'grab em by the pu**y' because they were rock stars.


That sounds like someone who may have their eye on the TV reports from Fox News or OAN.

You're all so quiet today. Let's keep "Show and Tell" going for another 15 minutes to have the latest on the virus. Then we'll have Recess outside on the playground and finish up the day with time for questions about any of the recent Home Works or Take Homes.

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Homework?

This one is as big a fizzle as the last 274,953,901,738,521 Armageddons have been for the past 10,000 years or so.

Somebody needs to try harder.

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You're all so quiet today.

Sundays generally are quite quiet here and across most of the internet discussion boards and they are usually a slow news day across most media as well........and have been for many years.


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A postal worker has contracted the virus in Washington State.

A member of the school community contracted the virus in Rhode Island.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/g...es/story?id=69319279

Kirkland, WA has several members of it's Fire Department on quarantine.

https://www.khq.com/top_sto...ed-53d7e007032c.html

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I keep seeing people on social media of all kinds saying :
"Cov19 is just a mutated or adapted form of influenza."
It is not. That's like saying a water buffalo and a jersey cow are the same thing.
The single most common thing the taxonomy of flu and cov19 have is that they are both viruses.



German cases almost double.
Italian cases do double.

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Originally posted by maryjane:

I keep seeing people on social media of all kinds saying :
"Cov19 is just a mutated or adapted form of influenza."
It is not. That's like saying a water buffalo and a jersey cow are the same thing.
The single most common thing the taxonomy of flu and cov19 have is that they are both viruses.



Maybe you should call up the CDC and tell them that you, a drooling California mental patient, wants to set them straight.

You don't know a virus from a vitamin Ronald.

YOU
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NOT
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SCIENTIST


or a physician, or a journalist, or an engineer, or an eye care professional...

You ARE mentally ill.

GET HELP

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Gee..thanks.....




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That sounds like someone who may have their eye on the TV reports from Fox News or OAN.

You're all so quiet today. Let's keep "Show and Tell" going for another 15 minutes to have the latest on the virus. Then we'll have Recess outside on the playground and finish up the day with time for questions about any of the recent Home Works or Take Homes.





I dont watch TV. Pulled the plug almost ten years ago. I control the content of my life.

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I dont watch TV. Pulled the plug almost ten years ago. I control the content of my life.

Fair enough. As far as that "Corona Virus Whistleblower" report that I referenced, from the Washington Post (WaPo), I am fairly confident about my being able to say that that particular news report, as published by WaPo, did not point any kind of accusatory finger directly at President Trump.

I would have to read it again to be sure, but I don't think there was any reference to the President in that report.

I encourage anyone who has arrived at this point to scroll backwards (if need be) to find the "rinselberg" message about the Corona Virus Whistleblower report in the Washington Post. It was a message that I created just a few hours previously, and will be on this same page of the thread.

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I dont watch TV. Pulled the plug almost ten years ago. I control the content of my life.


I hear you there. By not having internet (or the Roku box ) at home I am roughly twice as productive as this time last year. That thing is a huge time and attention black hole.

We still have the TV and DVD player, and get 4 stations on antenna but that's become the evening news then Big Bang Theory and it gets turned off again. The dvds we get from the library and I've seen a lot before so they don't get the same kind of attention as a 1st watch.

The biggest difference is the gaming. I was always scooting off for 10-15 of play time for a break. That doesn't happen anymore.


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I dont watch TV. Pulled the plug almost ten years ago. I control the content of my life.


I hear you there. By not having internet (or the Roku box ) at home I am roughly twice as productive as this time last year. That thing is a huge time and attention black hole.

We still have the TV and DVD player, and get 4 stations on antenna but that's become the evening news then Big Bang Theory and it gets turned off again. The dvds we get from the library and I've seen a lot before so they don't get the same kind of attention as a 1st watch.

The biggest difference is the gaming. I was always scooting off for 10-15 of play time for a break. That doesn't happen anymore.


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Closing down several school districts in Idaho and Washington State today for a heavy disinfecting.

Two deaths in Washington State now.

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Maybe someone on a computer can find the info elsewhere than the NYT.

Apparently China has implemented a new mandatory smartphone app that color codes health status.

Your color dictates quarantine or not, and where you are and aren't allowed to go. Plus it sends info to the police for enforcement.

Can't see that one going away after the crisis is over.
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Employers are talking about business continuation plans, and locally, MN is giving basic advice to prepare.

http://www.startribune.com/...ronavirus/568254432/

"Given the possibility of disruptions at work or school, Ehresmann asked Minnesotans to make backup plans if they had to work from home or go without child care for a short period of time. She also encouraged people to “gradually” build up their supplies of nonperishable foods, medications and anything else they would need if they were required because of an infection, or risk of infection, to be quarantined at home for two weeks."

Good advice.
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I do that anyway. Always have 2-3 weeks of dry goods, cans and coffee on hand. With a little rationing and care I could get through a month without shopping
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I do that anyway. Always have 2-3 weeks of dry goods, cans and coffee on hand. With a little rationing and care I could get through a month without shopping


It mostly the fact that they actually came out and said it that strikes me as odd.
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"Given the possibility of disruptions at work or school, Ehresmann asked Minnesotans to make backup plans if they had to work from home or go without child care for a short period of time. She also encouraged people to “gradually” build up their supplies of nonperishable foods, medications and anything else they would need



30 minutes later, all store shelves were stripped bare..............?

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